In search of a stage 4 IBC support group

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Looking for others who are stage 4 in order to find a support group. Also, I wonder what happens if I do not do treatment? How much time will I have and will that time be diminished or higher quality than with treatment? Chemo is awful and there is no measurable outcome data given to demonstrate it will extend my life or improve my quality of life. I don't know why I am doing this? I went to the doctor and they said 18wks of chemo, double mastectomy, 6wks of daily radiation, 18 months of hormones for a 1-3% of living over 5 years. Wondering if I would rather spend 6 months having fun at the beach, than 2 years being sick, alone, in bed?

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  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited December 2016

    Thsre are Forums at this site for Stage IV and IBC.

    Where are your mets (metastasi)? That would impact your TX outcome more.Also the QOL to the end.

  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited December 2016

    Kicks is right. Where are your mets located. Also, what is your cancer. Ie is it ER+ or negative, HER2 + or negative etc. Treatment can vary according to those. Quality of life, even if you opt for no treatment depends where the Mets are. Eg bone Mets can be painful, liver Mets can be painful etc. I would recommend the Stage 4 boards, there is one for bone mets, liver Mets. Lots of those ladies have been going for years, some are still working. I am sorry you are with us but lots of good support here




  • jensgotthis
    jensgotthis Member Posts: 937
    edited December 2016

    Second opinions are important here and ideally from a NCI designated cancer center. The majority of stage 4 BC patients are treated first with something other than chemo (although knowing the specifics of your diagnosis would help others comment here) and live with a good QOL. Come visit the stage 4 forums. Bestbird also has an incredibly helpful Mbc resource

  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited December 2016

    Jenn, I don't have IBC cancer (I have IDC, HER2+++), but have enjoyed reading articles about Amy Berman who is a nurse and healthcare writer with stage IV IBC. She opted to treat with antihormonals and occasional radiation only and is now six years post diagnosis and still working and feeling generally well.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-nurse-with-fatal-breast-cancer-says-end-of-life-duscussions-have-saved-her/2015/09/28/1470b674-5ca8-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html?utm_term=.c2b7692d4a60

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited December 2016

    Jen and gracie, as I look at the NCCN guidelines for stage iv IBC, it shows chemo as the first step. JennInspirations, I'd encourage you to talk with your oncologist about quality of life and the recommended treatment plan. And try not to engage in either-or thinking. I hear your fear and pain and it is natural. But the choices before you do not necessarily consist only of a few months of fun at the beach vs. sick and alone in bed for two years. It may well be that you will have some difficult times and yet still feel that life is definitely worth living and treatment is worth having.

    Here is a link to the Stage IV and Metastatic Breast Cancer Only Forum:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8


  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited December 2016

    ShetlandPony, chemo and surgery were initially recommended for Amy Berman, and that is the accepted protocol as you noted. But Berman had very definite desires about how she wanted to proceed and her doctors are working with her. I assume she is strongly ER+ as antihormonals are helping keep her mets, which appear to be bone related, under decent control along with targeted radiation. She accepts that this is not a cure and never will be, but that is not her expectation; her focus is quality of life. This approach is of course not for everyone (type of metastasis is a game changer as well as personal philosophy about treatment), but she is 6 years out from her stage 4 diagnosis with little medical downtime. With her professional background in writing about health issues, she has a lot of access to useful info and communicates clearly. She did a good interview on the Diane Rehm show a couple of years back (public radio); I don't have the link handy but googling will find it easily for anyone interested.

  • JennInspirations
    JennInspirations Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2016

    Thank you all for the great information. I did check out Amy Berman.

    I am wondering how people work during chemo? My energy is zapped so that it is hard to think or walk. The port in my chest taps the edge of my pounding heart and makes me feel like I might have a heart attack walking up the stairs. Plus, I have diarrhea so violent it feel like my insides are going to spill out. This summer I was swimming (open ocean) two miles a day, biking, hiking... now just taking a shower feels like a mission. Are the people who work feeling this way too? Or are they doing something different that is making life more bearable?

    I teach HS special ed. I love my job! My students were looking forward to putting on the play Tell Tale Heart. I tried with all my might to work. I made it to my planning period and fell asleep in a bean bag chair. I could not eat or drink anything all day due to violent diarrhea, complicated by the distance to the nearest bathroom. Admin told me that the flood (from Hurricane Matthew) had caused dangerous mold and viruses in our county. They asked for a doctor's note clearing me to come back to work. My white blood count numbers were low, so I did not ask for the note. I just gave up. Now that I am reading about what other people can do, I am wondering what I could do differently?

    Clearly I am not asking the right questions. HER2 is part of my deal but there were three other things that were complicated and had to do with hormones and the genetics test. They induced menopause because of my ovaries & cysts and fibroids. My appointment to hear about that is not until February. I never got a PET scan because they could not work me in before chemo because of Christmas. They did a bone scan and CAT instead. All they told me was that it had not moved to my brain and bones. I have chemo on Thursday. I am going to write down all the questions people ask me that I do not know. Thank you for helping me ask the right questions.


  • Key2
    Key2 Member Posts: 77
    edited December 2016

    Hi Jenn

    I also have IBC stage 4

    Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions or concerns I am more then happy to share my experience going thru chemo then mastectomy and radiation,

    Kim

  • gracie22
    gracie22 Member Posts: 229
    edited December 2016

    Jenn, there are many great resources on this board. Agree with the posters above encouraging you to check out the IBC boards and to private message posters that you relate to. Stage IV means that the cancer has traveled to a place outside the breast and the lymph nodes, which are located primarily in the armpits and surrounding area. I am not sure from your post where that metastasis has happened; knowing that will be helpful to others here who can reach out to you about their individual experiences.

    With breast cancer, there are broad types (IDC, ILC, IBC and some more rare types). You have indicated that your have IBC. Your pathology (the report provided after a biopsy--the initial procedure that takes a chunk of the tumor/skin and tests it) provided info on your hormone receptors. If your cancer grows in response to exposure to hormones (estrogen and/or progesterone--ER or PR for short) it is hormone positive, and doctors try to stop the action of the hormones by either using antihormonal medications or surgically inducing menopause (and chemo itself often induces menopause, at least temporarily.) Amy Berman also has hormone sensitive cancer, hence the pill she takes daily referenced in her writings.

    From your post, I assume you to be hormone positive (known as ER and/or PR+) and am guessing that your docs are doing "neoadjuvant chemotherapy", which is chemo done immediately after biopsy. Patients then sometimes go on to have a lumpectomy (removal of the tumor and tissues around it), or a mastectomy (removal of the breast) post neoadjuvant chemo. Some Stage IV patients do not have those surgeries, and from what I have read, with IBC there is not always a discernable "tumor" as in other types.

    HER2 is another type of "receptor" in a way. To be HER2 positive means that the cells in your tumor have a large amount of a certain protein which causes the cancer cells to multiply very quickly and make it a more aggressive cancer. if you are HER2 positive, there is a targeted drug called Herceptin which is typically used in conjunction with chemo to address it. In and of itself, Herceptin does not typically cause the side effects of the usual "chemo"-- it is targeted to the HER2 cells and is chemically different than chemo and known as a monoclonal antibody. It is a pretty big deal, and has made a big difference for HER2 positive folks. Some docs will provide it solo without the usual recommended chemo, most will not.

    The genetic tests are to see if you have any existing genetic propensity for breast cancer (such as BRACA 1 or BRACA 2; there are many others). Most people don't, but it is useful info for your docs and family to know.

    The info above is very basic and I hope it does not scare you. What scares me is that your providers have not explained exactly what your cancer is, and why they are doing what they are doing to treat you. What you should also be aware of is that you have options, particularly if the treatment provided is making you so miserable, and waiting until February is just not good enough, so call and ask for an appointment sooner and bring someone with you, and tape the appointment if they allow so you can refer to it later. If you opt to stick with the chemo, supportive meds that relieve diarrhea at least somewhat, are available. And there are also treatments to address your infection risk (many here have used Nuelasta and similar meds as needed to help boost immune function.)

    Take a look at those papers they gave you, or your patient portal if you have one, and reach out to the people here to figure out your roadmap. Find out the names of the chemo drugs your are on, and whether you are currently on Herceptin. I am guessing your current protocol may be Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin and possibly Perjeta--another HER2 drug--shorthanded to "TCHP" which is typical for HER2 IDC patients, but I don't know much about IBC.

    You are in charge: if you want to do things differently, you certainly can--Amy Berman is very helpful in providing some info on options that docs will typically not offer. But you need to know what you are dealing with before making those decisions. I wish you well, and thank you for the work you do with special needs kids.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2016

    Hi Jenn, and welcome to Breastcancer.org!

    We're so sorry you have to be here, but as you can already clearly see, you've come to the BEST place for support and advice. Our Community is chock-full of many amazing members like those that posted above, all willing to help you however we can.

    In addition to the very good advice offered above, we wanted to point you to the main Breastcancer.org site's section on Recurrent and Metastatic Breast Cancer, which offers lots of great information on things like Working After a Recurrent or Metastatic Breast Cancer Diagnosis, and Planning Your Treatment for Recurrent or Metastatic Breast Cancer.

    You may also find some helpful information about what your particular diagnosis means, along with how to read your read your pathology report, in the Your Breast Cancer Diagnosis section. There's even great information on Questions to Ask Your Doctor About Your Diagnosis.

    We really hope this helps, and that you come back often, ask lots of questions, and let us know how you're doing. We're all here for you!

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