Depression for no good reason

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I realize I have BC. But I'm very lucky. I only have stage 1 and no lymph nodes. I had a BMX on June 30th. I have TE that are annoying but I'm fine for the most part. I haven't had any other treatment so I know my issue isn't medicine. But I just can't want to...can't want to do anything. I have been doing a lot of walks to help. I have 4 kids and haven't been able to do anything with them. Even setting up hair appointments seem out of reach. I'm tired. I don't even want to watch TV. The TE keep me from sleeping soundly but I don't think it's a lack of sleep. I just don't want to do anything. I don't think the sky is falling and I'm going to die I just don't want to move a muscle. Anyone else have this

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  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited August 2016

    I had PTSD like symptoms. I had a lot of trouble concentrating. Things I like to do like watch tv and read went out the window. Regardless of age and stage a BC dx is a shock, and often triggers grief among other things. Recovery is a process that can't be hurried. Be gentle with yourself. Here us an interesting thread you may be able to relate to. Big hug to you. https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/91/topics...

    Also Arimidex made me incredibly fatigued by early afternoon.

  • Oakmoss
    Oakmoss Member Posts: 28
    edited August 2016

    Hi, Mom2, I am relatively new to these boards, I was diagnosed in July and am scheduled for lumpectomies on September 7th, and then, whatever else my doctors and I think makes sense. It will be at least radiation and hormonal therapy, and possibly chemo as well. I've been coping pretty well, for me the biggest consideration/problem is that I already have a very debilitating chronic illness and so I come to this with really low reserves. I do sometimes feel as if -- I just can't do anything more, there have been too many doctors' visits, too much to do organizing the logistical side (transportation, especially), and...I am just all out of everything, physical energy and moral energy.

    When I was first diagnosed, I wasn't surprised or particularly frightened. I just felt sad, and already battle weary from years of illness. I have had all sorts of immune problems most of my adult life, so cancer wasn't really a shocker. But this is a serious challenge, and although I know many women who have been treated for breast cancer and are still alive and well (some many, many years later), I'm feeling plenty of apprehension and I just get to that point some days where I can't do another thing. I had to remind myself today that this is a lot to cope with, and I just usually lie down and listen to music -- been listening to a lot of Gregorian chants lately, contemporary World music, anything that helps me feel peaceful. Be kind to yourself! This is really hard.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited November 2016

    One of the biggest myths among laypeople is that there has to be a “reason for" or “cause of" depression. Depression is a disorder in itself, not necessary a symptom of anything else. It can be triggered by a traumatic event, but the seeds were there regardless. It is an imbalance in brain chemistry, not just a “mood" or “emotional" disorder. Even the earliest and mildest BC diagnosis--and the process leading up to it--is traumatic stress, and PTSD sometimes happens. Depression is a component of that as is anxiety. It strikes out of the blue, and it has nothing to do with your abilities to cope. My trigger was the circulating testosterone from carrying a son wearing off 6 weeks after childbirth--but the tendency was already there (in my case inherited).

    Stop wondering why you feel this way and whether or not you should.....you just do. Ask your care team for help, be good to yourself, and until the fog lifts by whatever means (meds, time or both) follow your instincts to take it easy. Surgery produces fatigue, and you went through a lot of it fairly recently. Sometimes it hits on a delayed basis, after you've gotten through the pro-active part and the adrenaline that kept you focused has worn off. Listen to your body--and your brain is part of your body.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited August 2016

    oak moss, I also have other issues that I dealt with before. I think now that the dust is settling I'm just so worn out. I feel awful even complaining when so many other women have been through far worse then me and will continue through treatments I will never have to face. I just didn't realize I would feel like this

  • lisa137
    lisa137 Member Posts: 569
    edited August 2016

    I felt exactly like that after finishing chemo, which I guess was supposed to be when I would be all happy about being done with chemo? Started antidepressants, and that made it all better again. Depression doesn't need a reason. It just is.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited August 2016

    it's nice to know other people have had the same thing happen. Cancer already took my summer. I don't want depression to take anymore of my life

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited August 2016

    you just lost two body parts. grieving is normal.

    now get off your butt and go make the nearest stage 4 person some soup. just kidding.


  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited August 2016

    I was diagnosed last summer. I did great thru 2 LXs, 4 rounds of chemo, and a bout of sepsis, but the BMX did me in. I had horrific tissue necrosis and was completely mutilated. With 2 weeks I was so depressed that I could barely even bathe and dress myself. Doing anything just took too much effort. Even reading was too much.

    At my DHs insistence I went to the doctor. It didn't take her 10 min to diagnose me with PTSD. She said it is very common after a major life-changing event. She put me on an antidepressant and something to help me sleep, and it really helped. I am about ready to wean off the AD and I've already stopped the sleeping pill.

    I wish you the best. Remember, this isnt a contest. You don't have to be strong for us. And don't beat yourself up --depression is a monster. But there is help available, if you will seek it out.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited August 2016

    fredntan, that's fantastic. "Now go make soup"....love it.


    Mustlovepoodles, it's crazy when it all hits ya. I don't care that I lost the breasts at all. Never had much or nice ones anyways. But I do hate and despise these TE. They have been an awful choice but soon they will be exchanged and it will be over. Just weird to think "it will be over". Not sure what that even means. No treatments, yes, but not over worrying and not over how you see the world.

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited September 2016

    Mom2four,  I wonder when the day will come that I don't have a thought about cancer?  I mean, I'm not sitting around being all upset and anxious about it. I don't worry a lot about recurrence.  But I do have thoughts about breast cancer every day.  I think it is safe to say that this breast cancer experience has changed me in more than just physical ways.  I still have to have a hysterectomy, due to my gene mutations, so I'm not finished with this stuff yet. Only after that surgery will I be able to pursue reconstruction.  So I'm looking at probably another 6 months of surgery and recovery. Yeah. My boss is gonna be sooooo happy about that.

  • minmom24
    minmom24 Member Posts: 20
    edited September 2016

    Mom2four, it sounds like clinical depression to me. I feel like I am in the same boat. I was on my way to the medical oncologist this morning and suddenly felt sad and wanted to cry. She told me that I am cured, and scheduled a follow-up with the NP for 3 months. This feeling has not lifted, even with the good news. I am already being treated for depression, and just told my psychiatrist yesterday that I was doing well. I came through three surgeries this summer without a problem. Why now? Maybe I feel like my support is being withdrawn, and I'm not ready to deal with the aftermath on my own? I'm still healing from the sentinel node dissection done last week. And I am still seeing the plastic surgeon regarding the reconstruction. I'll be having some appointments with an occupational therapist. The cancer may be gone, but things won't be back to normal for a couple of more months.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2016

    MinMom24, I thinks it's PTSD. I just keep waiting for another ball to drop. I told my husband that I don't like just going back to normal. What is normal now? I don't know where it all fits in and how to just go about every day life. I can handle the Dr appointments, the surgeries, the medicines but I can't handle "normal". I don't feel "normal". And I feel so guilty for thinking all this when I only had stage 1. I feel like I should fine and I'm just being a baby.

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited September 2016

    You aren't being a baby and this isn't a contest. You've been through a lot.  Any health condition can be difficult, but breast cancer is particularly devastating due to the treatments we have to undergo. Our whole sense of femininity is assaulted. There, I said it--assaulted. You might think that's a pretty strong word, but it describes what we have gone through exactly.  Not only have we been assaulted by cancer, but we've been assaulted by our oncologists and surgeons. I think the real question should be, why don't we ALL have PTSD?


  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2016

    you are so right about being assaulted. I was humiliated by the PS taking a picture before the surgery. I'm pretty conservative and that got to me. I'm very easy going and make a lot of jokes but inside I'm definitely feeling assaulted. And you are right, why don't all of us have PTSD? We probably do to some extend. Some are just not talking about it

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited September 2016

    Mom, I had the same feelings about those pics. I felt thoroughly shamed to have those pics taken, and I have several sets done. My MO, BS, and two PSs took pictures, and in front of DH, too. Im a fat girl with a big tummy, which is particularly unlovely now that my breasts are gone. I felt humiliated having to reveal myself to him that way.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2016

    mustlovepoodles, I mentioned it to my PS and she said most women like the pus because they can see what they were like before....I can't imagine that being the case but the medical world has never been known to be warm and fuzzy and Surgeons are the most insensitive of the bunch.


    I've always been a jokester and I've been very open with my family. When I had my hysterectomy I called myself "cousin it" and with the mastectomy I said I was flat Stanley. And my now my kids joke and tell me they get stabbed by my daggers when they hug me. But underneath all those jokes I'm just trying to find a way to ok all of this in my head. I never associated myself by my breasts but at the same point in time I was never a porn star who liked having nude photos taken by strangers. For me, it felt like they crossed a line I can't get bac

  • minmom24
    minmom24 Member Posts: 20
    edited September 2016

    Mom2four, you are expressing everything that I feel. I was Stage 1 also, and feel a bit guilty for taking the title "breast cancer survivor" since I didn't go through chemo and radiation. But I did go through the worry, the BMX, and am still anticipating another surgery for reconstruction. Someday, I'll go back to work. What will that be like? If your symptoms continue, I think that you should see someone to help you through. There is help out there, if you are willing to accept it.

  • Cubbie2015
    Cubbie2015 Member Posts: 875
    edited September 2016

    mom2fourplusmore, I had to comment on this:

    "I mentioned it to my PS and she said most women like the pics because they can see what they were like before."

    That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Now I know I update my "dumbest thing I've ever heard" on pretty much a weekly basis, but seriously? Is she kidding? The only thing I can imagine is that she is used to doing straight up augmentations on regular women who are excited to go up several cup sizes. OMG, this woman is dumb.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2016

    cubbie2015, I loved your comment that you list is updated every week. I so know that feeling. And yes, I think it was a ridiculous response. I think she was shocked that I said I was upset about it. I don't get the impression that many people speak up for themselves to Drs. I've been told by several different Drs along the way recently that I am a good self advocate....probably not great for them but I'm not one to just blindly take whatever is done or given to me. Lo


  • Johnnygirl
    Johnnygirl Member Posts: 25
    edited November 2016

    I know this thread hasn't been commented on in several weeks but I can really relate to you, mom2fourplusmore. I have that feeling that I just don't want to do anything. Everything is overwhelming. I even have the same guilt for feeling this way because I'm only stage 1.

    I've been being treated for depression and anxiety for over a year and a half (though I've suffered off and on since I was a teenager). So I recognize that this is probably my depression getting worse again. Will I need to up my meds or change my meds? I don't know. But I know that I'm getting worse. My lack of interest in doing "normal things" and general blahness is turning into crying several times a day and replaying in my mind all the utterly crap things I've been through this year.

    My teenage daughter is also struggling with anxiety and other issues which makes me feel like the worst mom because 1) I know she gets it from me genetically, 2) I know my dx effects her too, and most horribly 3) I feel like I don't have it in me to handle her problems too. Isn't that awful? She should be my number one priority and yet whenever she starts to open up to me my brain starts screaming at me NO, NO MORE! I just feel like I can't take anything else.

    I don't really have a question or anything insightful to add for any of you. I guess I just wanted to share my experience. Awful as it is, it's what I'm dealing with right now.

  • Smurfette26
    Smurfette26 Member Posts: 730
    edited November 2016

    Hugs Johnnygirl. Sending love and light. Donna.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited November 2016

    Johnnygirl, I'm so sorry you are suffering. Don't feel guilty. Depression is awful and it's not something you just decide to have or not have. I've had family members suffer for years with it and it really affects everyone around them. And with you having breast cancer on top of an already existing issue that would surely be overwhelming. You can't help your daughter until you help yourself. But your daughter should give you the incentive to getting help. Did you know that being outside in nature and exercising is the equivalent of 50 Prozacs? My friend is a Dr and told me that. Start small and find ways to improve your life. And also check with the Dr. I found that the medicine was really messing with me. Good luck and big hugs from all of us.

  • Johnnygirl
    Johnnygirl Member Posts: 25
    edited November 2016

    Thanks ladies. Every little word of encouragement really does help. 😚

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited November 2016

    Johnnygirl, please don't fiddle around with your meds. You could make things worse. I have dealt with depression and anxiety since I was 15 (I'm 60 now.) I take a cocktail of meds, which keeps my moods well-balanced. Well, that is, until I got BC. I did pretty good through the LX and chemo, but complications after my BMX did me in. I was diagnosed with PTSD and put on an additional short-term med. That did the trick. Got me off the couch and into the shower within 2 weeks (yeah, 2 weeks without a shower. Erg. ..)

    Call your doctor in the morning. Depression and anxiety are extremely common after a BC diagnosis .You and your daughter don't have to suffer through it.

  • RedemptiveSufferer
    RedemptiveSufferer Member Posts: 242
    edited December 2016

    I just wanted to share that ever since I had a reaction to Demarol last week that sent me to the ER (I was scared out of my mind) i've been suffering from what I assume is major anxiety. I almost never cried, am a pretty stable person, but now cry multiple time a day. I feel like I'm on the verge of a nervous breakdown, especially when night falls. During my appt. w/the PS yesterday for my first TE fill, he wrote a prescription for a low dose of Ativan. At least I was able to sleep some last night. I still woke up a couple times a night because of discomfort or night sweats, but I slept for more than 2 hrs. so am grateful. I really don't know what to think of this. I've never suffered from anxiety before, I was OK w/my diagnosis, OK heading into surgery, but i really think it was the med scare that sent my brain into overdrive and now I can't calm it down. Now, I fear that I'll be this way permanently and I certainly can't function like this. My fear feeds more fear.

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited December 2016

    Dear RS, good for you - telling your doctor, taking the lorazapam prescribed and coming here to share. Those are all positive steps. You will not always feel this way. In time, things get better. Just get through each hour/minute...

    Today, call your clinic and ask about talking to someone. Medication can help (sleep is so very important!) but psychotherapy is priceless. Then come back and let us know how you are doing. You are stronger than you know and, once the worst of this is behind you, the Greg Laurie quote in your signature will become even more true.


  • RedemptiveSufferer
    RedemptiveSufferer Member Posts: 242
    edited December 2016

    Wise words, vlnrph..thank you! I feel consumed w/dr's appts as it is...need to make one w/opthamologist because my eyesight has changed dramatically since surgery...another concern...yet still praying it returns to normal. (my MX was Dec. 6) But, I'm sure the more I take control of what's going on...as you said perhaps get therapy...the better I'll feel knowing I'm moving in a forward direction. So true, that I can't give of myself when I feel there's very little in my reserves worth giving. Thanks for reaching out and have a Merry Christmas.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited December 2016

    Redemptive Sufferer , I also have had a bad reaction to Demerol. It happened in my 20s when they gave it to me for kidney stones. It scared my husband to death. He still talks about it 20 yrs later. So ever since I've had to tell the Drs I can't have it. They get frustrated with me. But it is what it is. I have a friend whose a Dr and she says they really don't use it very often anymore so I'm surprised they gave it to you. She says it's very common to have bad reactions to it and that's why they hesitant prescribing it. So don't be too worried, you and I are apparently not that uncommon. I have a lot of bad reactions to meds ( lost eyesight with scopolamine patch) and I've been anxious over the whole experience because I have to do it without meds. I had the bilateral mastectomy and couldn't take anything. It was beyond awful. But I made it and you will too. Just rest and don't be afraid to reach out. Every day is a day farther aware from the nightmare. Tomorrow will be brighter and eventually you will find yourself laughing and smiling and enjoying life again. But for today get some rest. You'd be surprised how much sleep can help. We are always here for yo

  • RedemptiveSufferer
    RedemptiveSufferer Member Posts: 242
    edited December 2016

    Mom2fourplusmore, I have NO IDEA how you've gotten through your surgeries without pain meds!! As we'd say in the south, "Bless your heart!" Seriously...you are an amazing warrior. Thanks for sharing your Demarol story...now I know I'm not alone. I had been on hydrocodone which worked fine for pain (though it made me sleepier than I liked) but I was still constipated 10 days after surgery, so the PS thought maybe switching pain meds would help because HC is notorious for binding you up. I won't go into my experience because it causes me anxiety to think about it, but I know I will NEVER take it again. I've heard others in the medical field say it was taken off the market and they were surprised to hear that it was still available.

    So when you say you lost your eyesight to the scopolamine patch, was it a temporary loss? Assuming it has returned, how long did it take? How are you feeling now? How have you handled Tamoxifen? I'm certainly concerned to take anything now that I've never had before, yet am pretty certain that's what will be prescribed for me. I've met w/the oncologist once prior to surgery and she said that's what I would probably be prescribed. Don't know about chemo yet.

    You're an inspiration and such an encourager. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with me.

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited December 2016

    inspiration...probably not so much. You just have to do what you have to do. I tell people " no one WANTS to be brave". To be brave you have to face the impossible and no one wants to do that. But when you are face to face with whatever mountain you must climb, you will climb it. It's called survival and that is the truth.

    As for me, we'll both my BS and my PS said they had never seen anyone in so much pain. That really wasn't so reassuring. My Dr friend does hospice and palliative care. She explained to me that everyone takes the meds so they have never seen this before. She really helped me feel better. She's also the one who helped me figure out the scopolamine patch issue. She said she's only seen it a couple times. My vision because so blurred I couldn't see figures (I didn't wear glasses) . Plus I had a massive headache and severe nausea (which the patch is suppose to stop that). Apparently I was having withdrawals (like a druggy on heroine) I obviously never did any drugs so had no idea what was going on. I guess it's rare to have this happen. So I can't have that ever again either. The vision did come back in about 2 weeks. It's slightly off and I need glasses now but it's not terrible.

    The tamoxifen also messed a little with my vision. Need higher reading glasses but again it's all doable. I'm not blind. I just can't read. The tamoxifen has been a problem for me. Fatigue like you can never imagine. Getting a shower is an event. Hot flashes, I actually enjoy. I live in NY. Lol. But the Dr isn't happy because I started having hallucinations. I thought it was kinda funny but my Dr did not. I guess it can happen but it's not common (of course) and they can become serious. I had it happen twice. Both times I saw my son do something he didn't do and was in fact sitting somewhere else. I told him he was so great that I needed two of him. Lol. Anyways, I am now off of that and will try again after Christmas. My friend says its like getting a vaccine. The first time taking it is the first time your body has had this and if you stop it and then restart it the body doesn't see I told a foreign and will recognize it and hopefully have no more reaction. Kinda like the flu vaccine, give a small dose of the flu and when the real flu comes around you won't get sick

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