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  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    Recent story for news writers from Health News Review:

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    Six tips for writing accurately about cancer immunotherapy drugs

    POSTED BY Joy Victory

    Immunotherapy drugs that stimulate the immune system to fight cancer are a hot news topic, buoyed in part by high-profile apparent success stories like that of U.S. President Jimmy Carter who was diagnosed last year with metastatic melanoma.

    As evidenced by some recent headlines, these stories tend to focus on the positive outcomes:

    The excitement around immunotherapy is understandable–for a small number of people, they work. These powerful patient stories often overshadow the reality that for most people, they aren't very effective and carry significant drawbacks.

    Drawing upon several of our reviews on this topic, we've put together the following tips to help journalists balance out their coverage on these drugs:

    1. Discuss the steep costs

    We always advocate for costs to be included in news stories looking at health interventions. This is especially important for pricey checkpoint inhibitors like Keytruda, the drug Carter used. As we point out in our review of a Reuters story looking at trial results for Opdivo, another checkpoint inhibitor, a year's worth of treatment costs about $250,000. Even with insurance, the out-of-pocket costs for these drugs are sending some patients into bankruptcy.

    The pricetag alone is a staggering detail that readers deserve to know. And so are the fascinating unintended consequences that impact all of us.

    And what about when drugs are still experimental? The Washington Post handled this well in a recent story about a t-cell immunotherapy for kids, as we note in our review of their story, because they give a cost estimate based on similar drugs already available.

    2. Know your endpoints

    In cancer trials, many studies rely on what are known as "surrogate endpoints" to measure the success of a treatment, instead of primary endpoints like overall survival rates, which require a big, long trial to reach statistically significant findings.

    It varies, but these surrogates usually include how long the treatment kept the cancer from spreading ("progression-free survival"), or how much it shrunk or reduced tumors ("objective response rate").

    For journalists, what matters here is that you explain how positive results related to surrogate endpoints are no guarantee of a longer, healthier life compared to standard treatment (see this chart for a very easy-to-understand explanation).

    "Surrogate markers such as PFS and ORR are valuable in drug development; however, their utility and need for longer follow up need to be acknowledged," said oncology researcher Mike Thompson, MD, PhD, of Aurora Healthcare in Milwaukee.

    This means if you are writing about a surrogate endpoint like tumor shrinkage, be specific and use actual numbers. And, as we discuss in our review of a Boston Globe story about a modified herpes virus treatment for cancer: Remind readers that surrogates often don't tell the whole story.

    The Globe story indicates that the treatment caused some tumors to shrink for at least six months, particularly in those whose cancer had not yet spread to internal organs. But the overall discussion of benefits is lacking some important details. What does "shrink" mean? And when it says that 16% "responded," what exactly does that mean? (Of course, 84% did not respond — a statistic that also was worthy of comment in our view.)

    Finally, important outcomes, such as length of survival, are not presented nor compared with alternatives. One study reported that median survival was 23.3 months with the new drug vs. 18.9 months with the comparison treatment — a finding that would have been easy to include. The FDA also had cautioned in a news release that Imlygic, the drug under study, "has not been shown to improve overall survival."

    3. Ask: Does this drug extend life? Improve quality of life?

    Lack of evidence around survival benefits is far more widespread than just the drug written about in the Globe piece. As a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel/MedPage Today analysis found, of 54 new cancer drugs approved in the last decade, "the FDA allowed 74% of them on the market without proof that they extended life. Seldom was there proof of improved quality of life, either." When extended survival was shown, their analysis found it usually only amounted to a just a few extra weeks or even days.

    In the above example from the Boston Globe, the FDA disclosed that the drug had not been shown to improve overall survival. But, often news releases from the FDA, drug industry and medical research centers don't clearly explain what the limitations were, as we saw in our news release review on the drug Tecentriq.

    In this case, the FDA news release notes that a Tecentriq trial measured tumor shrinkage as the main outcome. Survival isn't addressed. Yet–and our hats off to them for doing so–the New York Times wrote about Tecentriq and wisely pointed out that it is unknown whether the treatment makes a difference in survival.

    4. Don't assume these drugs are easier on the body

    The oncologist goes deep with publisher Gary Schwitzer on many of these issues, from surrogate endpoints to the flailing promise of precision oncology. Take a listen here.

    Immunotherapy drugs are often described as "lifesavers" and "game changers." A recent Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story described how the side effects may even "pale" in comparison to chemotherapy.

    And for some people, that's true. But the reality is these drugs have severe side effects, and can produce disabling conditions, including severe colitis and widespread arthritis.

    "These are treatments that have toxicities, and they may be different (and in some cases worse) than the toxicities from standard chemotherapy," said Deanna Attai, a breast surgeon and assistant clinical professor of surgery at the David Geffen School of Medicine.

    Also important to know is that our understanding of immunotherapy's full impact is still unfolding, something hinted at in this Medpage Today story about the "novel" emergence of inflammatory arthritisamong immunotherapy patients at a cancer center affiliated with Johns Hopkins.

    Some of this is because these drugs are relatively new and therefore carry unknown risks, and some of this is because, as this systematic review concluded, reporting of immune-related adverse events in research trials involving immunotherapy is suboptimal and "often incomplete."

    5. Understand how these drugs fit (and don't fit) into "precision oncology"

    Immunotherapy should not be confused with precision oncology, which is the notion that genetic sequencing can reveal mutations that help optimize treatment. Instead of focusing on the type of cancer (lung or breast or colon, for example), treatment is targeted based on the type of genetic mutation seen. In some cases, an immunotherapy drug might be used, but mostly it involves other types of cancer drugs.

    What immunotherapy and precision oncology have in common is a lot of hype over relatively lackluster results, notes Dr. Vinay Prasad, a hematologist-oncologist and Assistant Professor of Medicine at the Oregon Health and Sciences University, who wrote about the "precision-oncology illusion" in Nature.

    "Data from some 2,600 people enrolled in a sequencing programme at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas, showed that just 6.4% were paired with a targeted drug for identified mutations. Similarly, the Molecular Analysis for Therapy Choice (NCI-MATCH) trial at the US National Cancer Institute has enrolled 795 people who have relapsed solid tumours and lymphoma, but as of May 2016 it had only been able to pair 2% of patients with a targeted therapy."

    And, even in the rare cases where a drug is found to be a good match for the patient's biological markers, this doesn't guarantee blockbuster results. Prasad reports that only about 30% of these patients see any improvement.

    "At best, we may expect short-lived responses in a tiny fraction of patients, with the inevitable toxicity of targeted therapies and inflated cost that this approach guarantees," he says in the Nature review.

    6. Determine if your patient interview is with an 'exceptional responder'

    And yet, even though they do not represent the typical scenario, it's this "tiny fraction" of patients who have exceptional results– from immunotherapy or precision oncology treatments–who often make their way into news stories, Prasad says.

    "When you read the lay public coverage of cancer medicine today, you would walk away with the idea if only you could get your tumor sequenced, you could be almost assured of finding out something we already have that could give you a tremendous lease on life," he said in a podcast interview with us. "That's the narrative that's been put out over and over in anecdotal news stories about the one person who does really well."

    Yet, more often than not, that one person is what oncologists like Prasad call a "super responder."

    "In reality, many people profiled are unusual before they took the drug: They already lived far beyond expectations," Prasad said.

    This is why it's important to interview a variety of patients, and not just the ones with incredible results. (That said, stories that only profile one patient can be done well, as we saw in our review of a Philadelphia Inquirer story about one man's ups and downs of using a type of immunotherapy for leukemia.)

    To make sure that an exceptional patient isn't misleadingly portrayed as a typical patient, Prasad offered tips on how to sift them out. His advice included asking the following:

    1. Before the super-responder patient got the "new" drug, had their course been average? Or were they already beyond average? Did they respond wonderfully to early therapy?
    2. Did they already outlive life expectancy?
    3. How many prior treatments had the super-responder gotten? How many treatments does the average person get? (Because people with naturally slow growing cancers live long enough to get many treatments.)
    4. What was the best response to therapy (did the cancer shrink or just grow slower)?

    Bottom line: There is understandable excitement surrounding these drugs that extend life for some patients who've run out of options. But as journalists, we have a responsibility to not let this enthusiasm run beyond what the evidence can support–what Prasad calls fostering false optimism.

    "People who are suffering from cancer have one of the most challenging…experiences any of us can have," Prasad said in the podcast interview with us. "We do them a service if we can do better by covering cancer therapies for what they are, by being more accurate about the use of new drugs."

  • gp193
    gp193 Member Posts: 23
    edited November 2016

    I wrote here awhile ago about my wife, who was starting the SANDPIPER trial. Well, that was a bust. She was on the trial for two weeks, was feeling terrible, and was finally pulled off when her liver function went haywire. Her enzymes were in the 700's and bilirubin went up to 3.7. She also experienced progression while on the trial. At that point we all thought her days were numbered. She began gemzar/carboplatin and her liver function has slowly improved, with her bili now normal and enzymes dropping closer to normal range. She looks 100x better than she did a month ago. Looking back, it appears that the trial drug caused the liver dysfunction. We are still trying to get her unblinded from the study so that she can have a better idea of what happened. Word from other patients is that similar effects have been seen in patients with compromised liver function. For those on this study, I hope you have better results!

  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited November 2016

    Wow- very valuable information. Hopefully she has found a good treatment now, and I agree its critical that they tell you whether or not it was the drug that likely caused her liver problems!

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited November 2016

    Thank you for the update. It's so important to hear about things that don't go well. I am so very glad that she found her protocol. Gemzar/Carboplatin works for many people in the forum for a long time. I hope your wife is one of them. You will find some of these ladies on this thread.

    This article puts the Taselisib trial in context. There are multiple drugs in development that target the PI3K mutation.

    http://www.datamonitorhealthcare.com/taselisib-sho...

    I would love to hear from more people on this trial!!

    >Z<

  • nnc
    nnc Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2016

    I've been on the Sandpiper trial for 18 months now. Initially I had mouth sores and diarrhea and rash throughout my body. My oncologist decreased taselisib to 2 mg 1 tablet instead of the 2. I continue to have mild diarrhea and am on loperamide to help control it. The target mass initially reduced in size but my last 2 ct scans show that it is stable or slightly bigger but not enough to be removed from the study.


  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited December 2016

    Dear nnc,

    Thanks for popping in with information about this trial! 18 months seems like you are having success, although the side effects are clearly a problem. Do you mind filling out the personal medical information, so we can see what treatments you had before you entered the clinical trial? I think one of the hopes is that the taselisib will inhibit the PI3K signaling pathway which will drive the cancer to become sensitive to hormone inhibitors, so that you could return to an aromatase inhibitor and Ibrance after being in the trial. If that is the case, and the extended time you are on the drug allows you to return to hormone therapy again, would you consider the trial to have been worthwhile, given the problems of the drug?

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2016

    Nnc-

    Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with this clinical trial! We wish you success on the remainder of your trial!

    The Mods

  • nnc
    nnc Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2016

    Update from my last post: my time on the sandpiper trial has come to an end after 18 months, as I have a progression of the disease with likely bone metastasis to iliac crest evident in bone scan and ct scan. I will be going for biopsy of target site (infraclavicular mass), which is offered at the end of the study, which will possibly help determine future therapies based on genetic markers found - there is always hope for new treatments. I will continue to exhaust all estrogen therapies: prior to the study I was on letrozole for 2 years, tamoxifen for 1 year, and then with Sandpiper trial fulvestrant and taselisib for 18 months and in future I will be on exemestane (with possibility addition of affinitor). Not bad for someone who was initially told I had 1-3 year survival prognosis. I may also be having radiation therapy on hip and infraclavicular mass. I had DCIS in lt breast in 1985 with mastectomy at that time, 1998 breast cancer rt side with lumpectomy, chemotherapy and radiation, tamoxifen (5 years) and after that arimidex for 2 -3 years. Currently metastatic breast cancer with infraclavicular mass 2012.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    NNC - You had a great run on the sandpiper trial. Good luck on Exemestane. I appreciate so much that you share your experience with us.

    Ask you doctor for the clinical trial results supporting the use of Affinitor, particularly the ones that have looked at overall survival as an endpoint. From what I have read, Affinitor doesn't help much with the endpoint I am really concerned about, Overall Survival, and the side effects are bad.

    Praying for your complete healing.

    >Z<


  • Cure-ious
    Cure-ious Member Posts: 2,626
    edited December 2016

    Thanks again, NNC! Although Taselisib has side effects, and Affinitor has (even worse?!) side effects, thePI3K/mTOR pathway involved is too important for breast cancer growth to give up on it, and at least you did get a relatively long run on SANDPIPER.

    An interesting report just came out from Duke that drugs affecting this pathway are much more effective if given in combination with a new investigational drug, and because they are so much more effective together, the combination treatment uses much less of each drug, hopefully resulting in fewer side effects. Around 35% of breast cancers start out with PI3K mutations, and more develop as the cancers mutate to become resistant to drug therapy, so many metastatic patients could benefit if they can find the right way to inhibit the pathway.

    Clinical trials apparently are scheduled to start up soon on the new combination:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/1612...

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited December 2016

    Great article Cure-ious. The answer, I believe, is going to be a cocktail of drugs. It's just a matter of which ones for whom and when at what doses.

    >Z<

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited December 2016

    wow. Thanks for posting that link about Duke. I needed some encouraging news.

    --This is marginally related. I'm sharing in case someone else had a similar experience. I started a drug trial with taselisib/Femara in May. The Affinitor-like side effects were too much to handle by July and I dropped out. (I probably could have lasted longer on a tinier dose, as I did with Affinitor, but I didn't have that option.) Was having no Femara side effects. Immediately after stopping taselisib, the Femara side effects started: 10 pound weight gain in 6 weeks, mood swings, severe joint aches. I didn't have a hint of that for the first 8 weeks.

    I'm wondering if I should cycle back through some other treatments before starting a new one. I haven't done the Afinitor/Aromasin combination, only separately.

    Taking a break from Femara. It's been 2 weeks since I took a pill, and my joint pain is still overpowering the opiates I take for cancer pain.

  • JFL
    JFL Member Posts: 1,947
    edited December 2016

    Tarheel, you may want to consider Cymbalta for AI-related joint pain. It worked wonders for me when I was on hormone therapy with no noticeable side effects.

  • TarheelMichelle
    TarheelMichelle Member Posts: 871
    edited December 2016

    thanks JFL. I am taking other medicine that Cymbalta interferes with, so I'm unable to take it at this time.

  • mishka6008
    mishka6008 Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2017

    I am on cycle 22 with Sandpiper phase III. Last blood test shows increase of marker CA-15-3 to 45. CT and bone scans scheduled in 3 weeks. Pain in spine is increasing. I believe my course is coming to end.


  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited May 2017

    Mishka - Hoping your rising TMs are the results of a tumor flare and wishing you good scans. We just never know. You probably don't have the answer to this, but do you know if you are taking the Taselisib or the placebo? Keep us posted.

  • mishka6008
    mishka6008 Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2017

    Not a flare up unfortunately. Am off the trial due to progression. Awaiting appointment for liver biopsy.😥.

    This trial does not release information if it was a placebo or not but in the few weeks of the drug my glucose has dropped. Increase levels of blood sugar was a known SE.

    On Tamoxifen as of June 13Th.


  • LindaE54
    LindaE54 Member Posts: 2,054
    edited June 2017

    Aw Mishka I'm sorry. Good luck with Tamoxifen.

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