PTSD, then cancer, and now crippling social anxiety
I came into breast cancer after a long struggle getting my rampant PTSD from a really crappy childhood/family under control. Due to the severely bad timing of my cancer diagnosis and being abandoned by the friends who had recently vowed we were family when they threw me out of the improv group I founded. I was also abandoned by my own family. My mom died in 2010 from breast cancer so silly me, getting the same diagnosis three years later (and my sister in law having been through the same thing ten years earlier), I thought I could count on them. My father moved from two hours away to one thousand miles away. My brother and his wife said they'd come help out but never did. My other brother, always been my rock, he stopped talking to anyone when mom died and from all reports seemed to think I got cancer for attention. My best friend of twenty years also vanished.
I've become more or less a hermit save my husband, who is wonderful but already a socially anxious guy so now we huddle together. I long to belong to something but it's never worked out for me. Because of my childhood I don't really understand a lot about how other people work, how do I say. I've always been an alien and now, almost sixty, I see myself turning into a bitter old woman. I'm afraid of making any new connections or nurturing any current ones. All I want to do is hide. I've started going back to therapy a bit to work on it (I only stopped because my shrink moved an hour away). Since trust is such a huge issue now, even bigger than it ever was, finding a new shrink is more than daunting, plus my rural location offers few options.
I don't know what I'm asking or looking for, support but the thought of trying to bond or join some other group and the negative possibilities that in my mind are inevitable - how do I do it? I've gone back to trying to write and art it out, which usually helps but can get messy. Emotionally I am in crisis and I hate it but - I don't know. I'm lost.
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beeve, firstly, nice to meet you! It is a hard road sometimes being a survivor...you have been been through a fight for your life. You have seen darkness, struggled to just eat sleep, function. Then hopefully, you are feeling better...ready to get back at life. I am glad you are passionately searching for a group to belong to, to contribute to others. I think you will find a way to do this. Being rural, your options may not be plentiful, or at least at the start of your search for a group. But, at your fingertips is the entire universe! On this BCO site there are so many threads with such a variety of interests. Games, cats, flowers, prayerful and spiritual support, hobbies and television shows.... find some threads here to lurk on, or join in the conversations. That is a start, yes? Also. do you have a church family, one you attend? This can be a rich blessing. In our area,the school is the hub of the community, and there is always some sport team that you can follow and become their superfan. Volleyball season starts next week! These are some suggestions to jumpstart your thoughts. Getting out is healthy, and is rewarding too. Of course, there are medicatons to help with anxiety, I feel like you probably know this, perhaps these are already a part of your prescriptions.I believe pharmaceuticals for our mental health can be a very good thing. I hope my post has helped, that is my intent, to be of some help. Hoping others will respond too with words of wisdom. Sending you my best wishes, always.
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Hi beevy, family can be very strange. My God mother is really unbelievable. Since I've been diagnosed it is like I don't exist. My mom thinks it is very strange. Anyway this forum has alot of good people on it. Sometimes we are hard on ourselves. Don't expect too much of yourself, be happy. And talk to us anytime you need to.
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Dear beeve, we're really sorry you find yourself in this situation. As Meadow and Meow have said, we're all here for you, to listen and offer you support along this path, so come here and vent anytime you need to. Online communities like this are a great way to meet people going through similar circumstances than yours that will help you realice that you're not alone, and will give you good advice and support in these difficult times.
Perhaps talking to a therapist or social worker about your social anxiety would be helpful too. Could your oncologist/doctor help you find one in your area? It could be really helpful, even for your husband!
Please keep us posted on how everything is going. We are thinking of you!!
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Hi beeve - Welcome! There is such comradery here. It is a safe place. You can give as much or as little of yourself as you choose. We are all sisters in this lifeshaking disease.
Your words echo much of my own life. As I get older I find myself drawing the circle closer and closer. One thing about my breast cancer dx - now I mainly only do the things I want to do. I also understand about the trust issues - I tell people my coworkers are a dumb ass and a bunch of lazy dogs (along with goats, ducks, chickens, and a feral cat colony). My peeps are completely trustworthy until they peck, scratch, or kick me!
I'm glad you are back in therapy and I hope it helps. Take good care and see you around!
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Hi beeve! Boy what you describe sounds so much like me in a lot of ways. PTSD childhood, parents now gone, siblings very standoffish, friends disappeared.....I too have retreated so much since Dx! Luckily I also have a WONDERFUL Dh that is my main friend. However, just recently I realized that this is not how I want it to be. I do not want to depend on him for my only company. I don't want to be friendless and put all the pressure on him. He can be rather shy also but I want him to have buddies.
So I decided to bite off little chunks at a time. I chose the most likely girl from work who seems OK with my situation and is sweet and friendly. I forced myself to ask her one day if she wanted to have coffee. She said YES! We went and had a lovely hour and a half just chatting. So I expanded my effort a little. Asked another woman who also had BC awhile ago and she knows I do too. Asked her if she wanted to meet for lunch one day. We don't know each other that well but it went fine and it was so nice to get out and feel I had a friend. I am trying to figure out my next step like join a medittion group or go back to church. But practice makes it a little easier each time. We all need validation from friends in a peer group aside from our family and spouses. It has done wonders for my moods.
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Artista - Those are some great suggestions. I rely on my DH a lot too. It is really easy for me to get socially overwhelmed, I can do it, but it is hard to decompress. Take care!
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Thank you all for the support and suggestions. I'm not sure what to say.
I joined up in an 'open to the public' improv workshop a couple of weeks ago, as improv is a great love of mine. It's a small group right now as it is associated with the local community college (I used to teach that class too, but the PTSD made me give it up). That was fine until my ex-BFF showed up and after that I was more or less socially paralyzed. Last night was the most recent workshop and I couldn't go, once I decided I wasn't going to go I felt a lot better. I'm hoping that once school starts there will be more folks in the workshop and there's a good chance that my ex-BFF will get busy as she now teaches drama and improv at an increasing number of local schools.
DH has always been shyer than I, with no one he goes fishing with or the like. He is ultra supportive as he has been the only one for me through the whole thing.
Seeing my shrink more than once every four months is helping somewhat too although I wish there were someone closer. Both DH and I are retired so there are no work mates. I no longer believe in god so joining a church isn't the answer.
anyway, thanks for all the suggestions. I'm sorry to be such a downer, I am so self-conscious these days, I act like an abused dog, just hiding from everyone because you never know who's going to come up and start kicking you.
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Breve, I too have had difficulty. This diagnosis has made me a different person. Two years ago, I didn't take ONE pill, now I take 13 including supplements for bones and constipation. I too have been kicked down so many times, I trust few people and don't socialize outside of the job I've had for 15 years with anyone. All family is far away and most never even messaged me or anything through all my surgeries. My niece who I helped raise as a daughter never even text or called any of the times I was in hospital. I do have wonderful Dh who encourages me all the time and I make myself go to breast cancer support group every month and I have my mom who is the only family I can count on and talk to, even though she is disabled and couldn't help much but cook for me when I stayed with her after last surgery. I don't want to go anywhere or do anything. I'm opposite of you though, I couldn't make it without my faith and feeling God's love for me despite how hard life is, I would be lost completely without him. Hugs to you.
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thanks for checking in beeve, hugs
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beeve - That's a very interesting picture. Is that tattoo art? Is that you? Very cool. Never in my life did I think I'd get a tattoo, until Little Vinnie did my nips. Now I'm so interested in people's tattoos. I find it is a great way to strike up a conversation. I've found that people's tattoos have deep significance. I'm sorry you feel like a kicked dog. I have five rescue dogs, and they are the most loving and forgiving creatures on the planet. When I was first diagnosed I was able to meet with a counselor for awhile. I don't know what it is about pouring out all your grief and fears to another human. It sure helped me.
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Hi grouches - Trust is a funny thing isn't it? Personally if I feel like a situation is getting too close for comfort I head for the hills. Always have, probably always will. I tell you I learned a lot about constant caring contact through my dx. Most people are one and done. It's those people who keep checking in that really help. I'm glad your mom has been there for you. -
While I was bald, I had an artist friend give me a henna tattoo. It was lovely and lasted for a couple of weeks. I wish I'd kept doing it, it was fun. If I ever have chemo again I'm definitely doing it again.
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that is AWESOME!
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hey, This thread is for talking about PTSD and social anxiety, so don't apologize beeve. We all SO get it! If I had gone to that group and senn my ex-BFF I would have become paralyzed too. Just don't throw in the towel. When you are up for it keep brainstorming for ways to get out and connect. My faith in God is pretty sketchy at best too. But for some reason, going to church to hear the music and gospel stories is just uplifting anyway.....Plus I think my chances of meeting some people who have a compassionate heart, (something lacking in the people who abandoned me) might be better in a church community.
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artistatheart, I love your post where you find the songs uplifting. They are to me too
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Great thought about the songs. Lately I've committed a few old hymns to memory, and when my anxiety starts to rise and the scary monsters come out I "sing" them verse by verse in my head. Seems my brain can't really handle anxiety whilst remembering words so it helps.
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That's a cool henna tattoo, Beev..But lets hope you never have the need to get another one because of chemo!
This is weird, but I can't remember if I ever posted on this forum before...Tupid chemo-brain. <- Not too sure what this emoticon is doing.
I had a weak internet connection until recently. (Also live in a very rural area)
It is nice (yet sad) to see that I am not alone in this emotional battle, and neither are you, Beev!. I am nearly three years out from dx and still having issues with my emotional health. I had an anxiety/depression disorder before it all, and now that has gotten worse. I did actually seek help from my doctors, and with meds things got better for awhile, and then last year soon after my best friend was diagnosed with stage 4 kidney cancer, my anxiety went off the charts and I ended up at the ER literally paralyzed with fear..and diagnosed with agoraphobia. (I had tried to attend church by myself when the panic attack happened. Thank God I made it home via a back road before collapsing over the steering wheel in my front yard!)
At the time of the attack, I was on a high dose of Venlafaxin which my doctor was trying to wean me off. My system is so sensitive to those medications, I am currently on the fourth one. It did work for awhile, though I am agoraphobic still. I always have been to some degree.
I am glad that I have been able to occasionally do things for my friend, such as make us a basket lunch at the lake, and drive us to Bible study once a week, since driving is difficult for her..but it is very hard for me to do this, and takes a lot out of me afterwards. (I pretty much crash for the rest of the day)!
I am also very introverted and that is just the way I was wired, but I was told by my BC nurse that sharing on these boards here might be helpful..and I will try to get to know you gals, and hopefully cut through the brainfog enough to remember your names and such...please be patient with me.
And, Beev..You hang in there and remember to count your blessings..That's how Ive learned to deal with abandonment..Losing many family and friends as well (including the friend who now has cancer herself) I swallowed my pain and hurt and have been helping her through it...Thank God for my husband and dogs
. It is their loss, and their problem..not yours!
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hi neverforsaken - gosh I could have written your post. Panic attacks are so tough. I so agree with social situations taking a lot out of you. I can do it, but the recovery is usually a binge fest. I need to work oo a better way to deal the anxiety!
I'm getting a rescue pony for my little granddaughters! I don't really need another mouth to feed what with my animal menagerie, but at least the chickens are giving back - I collected five eggs today for the first time. They are a lot of fun.
Nice to meet you! Take care!
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Beev - How are you doing?
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I'm doing okay on the outside, and actually much better than when I wrote this. As far as the PTSD goes I realized I've had a sort of relapse because I am now living by the personal rules I used before I got into therapy - trust NO ONE, Never disclose what's really going on inside except for "safe" people (at this point that's my husband and my shrink). I started to return to an improvisational theatre workshop but it was very uncomfortable for me because the ex best friend also showed up so I stopped. In that time, I've had some plastic surgery (neatening up my mastectomy scars so I'm in the Flat & Fabulous category instead of having side boobs but no front boobs; also an eyelid lift because I needed it before the whole cancer thing). I also had some major dental work so I've been without front teeth for two weeks and won't get them back til Wednesday, so I may try to go back to the workshop on Thursday. Now that school has started there's a decent chance that ex-BFF won't be going since she's now running most of the drama programs in the schools.
I only see my shrink four times a year although this summer I bumped it up to once a month but haven't seen him since I realized I relapsed, although I did send him an email about it. Right now things are good for me because living by the old rules, this I can do with ease and also have many coping skills added from all the therapy. I don't know which way I'll end up going but I'll get there.
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Glad to hear it. You "sound" good. I hope your surgery meets your expectations. I've always been envious of the flat and faboulous group. DH talked me into implants, which are fine, but flat sounds so freeing. I hope you find the perfect fit for your improv group. Thanks for the update!
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It's really nice to meet you too, farmerlucy.
I hope things improve for you, Beev. I totally understand your "personal rules"...In my case I call it my self-defense mechanism. It sounds like you are making wise choices for what you need to do to get in a better place..and get/keep some peace of mind.
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I can identify with much of what has been posted. I'm introverted, have had some trauma, some loss and since this bout with breast cancer, have been even more socially anxious than ever. I've got a good spouse, a good therapist, a good medical team, but no circle of friends.
This week I made myself go to an event that involved an activity and some chance to socialize. So challenging! I enjoyed it, and will go back, but after I left I questioned everything I said and did. No confidence at all.
I wasn't always like this. I did have a challenging childhood, and had worked to overcome the habits it had given me. I felt pretty good. Then I had a confusing experience that traumatized me. Imagine the internet trolls going after you while in your sacred space -- your church, synagogue, zendo or whatever you have. It was like that. I've done a lot of things to help me heal, but I rarely feel safe around people now.
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Hi sorry for what your going through. Your not alone. I just got diagnosed and I have PTSD. Ugh it's rough. Thinking of you
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"Emotionally I am in crisis and I hate it but - I don't know. I'm lost."
I understand. I actually did well going through treatment (5/15-10/16). I thought. Sure, I was emotional at times and had memory problems, which I thought were chemo brain. Now, I wonder. I'm much worse off emotionally. I feel like there's a huge dark wave coming up behind me. When I'm not numb, I'm irritable or depressed. I'm still having memory issues. I have trouble concentrating and enjoying life. I used to write for therapy, but I'm not able to now.
I was at a dinner party recently where a psychiatrist was also a guest. He suggested that I might have PTSD. Maybe so, but my therapist hasn't screened me for it or suggested that I might. I'm not so thrilled with her anyway, but I live in a small town and there aren't many mental health options.
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They just suggested I have PTSD, as well. I have had a really tough time with my diagnosis. I found out about my diagnosis at the same time I learned I was adopted. The moment I heard cancer I thought I was going to die. No one around me could understand why as it was just DCIS with micro invasion and I was going to be fine. By the time i had my mastectomy I had lost 11 pound and was convinced that the cancer had already spread. Two months later I agreed to go on Ativan and managed to put on 5 pounds. I had my exchanges surgery along with lap to remove some cysts I was worried about. That was in September and lost another 2 pounds . Fear set in again. A Ct scan of my chest, abdomen and pelvis revealed nothing. I started therapy in October and my weight stabilize again at around123. Two weeks ago I starged the process of tapering off of thE aiVan and just discovered in I have lost another 2 pounds in 4 days. Back to square 1! I desperately need to get back to life - my husband, my 4 children and my career but cannot break the fear that the weight loss is linked to a much more advanced cancer that will need more treatment and that my doctors are not addressing. They all strongly feel that it is anxiety and it will stabilize once I stop thinking about it and get back to normal! I started EMDR 2 weeks ago. Still e trembly anxious. How does one get back to normal?? Has anyone else had such a struggle with weight in spite of eating?
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Someone on these boards called the all day / everyday thoughts "breast cancer radio". In the beginning it is blaring 24/7. As time goes by we still hear it but it blends in with all the rest of life. I lost thirty pounds after dx. Wish I could have kept it off, instead I gained it all back and then some.
You are not always going to feel this gripping fear Annietere. It may take a year or even two to recover. But you will. I promise. -
thanks farmerlucy. Were you petrified by your weight loss? How did you get the weight loss to stop? How long did it take you to recover the weight? I am beginning to feel like it is just going to continue on and on until I dsappear and the thought terrorizes me
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I had it and more to lose. My PS remarked on it and asked what I was doing. I told her "The Anxiety and Depression Diet" and I did not recommend it. If you are like me, you probably have a lot of grief to work through. The great thing about doing all that emotional work (I met weekly with a friend/counselor/social worker who volunteers at my church) is that the thought of cancer used to be a huge gorilla on my back. Now it seems it took having cancer to become much less afraid of it. Only now am I learning what it means to live in the moment. What will be will be. I also take Effexor for hot flashes and it really helps even out my moods. You'll get there.
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