Radical Remission Book Club by Kelly A. Turner, Ph.D.

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  • Zoziana
    Zoziana Member Posts: 114
    edited October 2016

    Stephanie: Thank you so much for your post on stress and the hands, etc. I will search out those resources. Stress and worry are my two biggest "healthy lifestyle" challenges going forward. I can't avoid most of the things that stress me, but I am trying to learn how to handle it all differently. Thank you so much.


  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited October 2016

    Wendy - Well, you should be on the lookout for one heck of a benefit.

    >Z<

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited October 2016

    Stephanie, I especially like the flowchart!

    "Fear – love – kidneys – forefinger" is interesting to me because it seems like I remember sitting, frightened, at the table with a support group the first week of my first diagnosis, holding my forefinger without knowing why.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    Shetland, I've been following your possible progression problem at other topics and holding you in loving, healing light as you journey into territory none of us want to enter - recurrence or progression.

    Intellectually, as women with metastatic breast cancer, we live with uncertainty, but long periods of NED and even stable disease can lull us into false certainty of continued "success". And stress and uncertainty will ignite worry and fear...coloring our positive steps forward.

    Of course we want to control outcomes, but we can only work with the circumstances we've been given and respond as well as possible.

    It seems to me that self-forgiveness for recurrence or progression or our "shortfalls" is one path out of immobility and toward inner peace and harmony.

    I think that's one of the reasons I question Radical Remission and similar approaches. They seem to promise to teach us to control outcomes...but when in human history has that ever really worked?

    Sending a huge hug and slow deep breaths, Stephanie

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    Has anyone here connected with Dr. Michael Finkelstein, The Slow Medicine Doctor®? Or his book Slow Medicine: Hope and Healing for Chronic Illness? A used copy was only $.01 at Amazon, so I ordered it.

    As recommended by Jan Adrian, MSW, Founder and Executive Director, www.healingjourneys.org, in her letter below:


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    Dear Friends,

    There are two basic methods to respond to cancer in our bodies. The one that Western medicine predominantly focuses on is to fight the disease. Integrative medicine also addresses the terrain of the body/mind/spirit in which the cancer is growing. The metaphor of a garden is often used. We plant a seed, but the terrain in which it is planted determines whether or not it will grow. The soil is as important as the seed.

    In July and September, we offered a workshop with Dr. Michael Finkelstein, The Slow Medicine Doctor®, called Loving Your Body. Dr. Finkelstein focused on how to make the terrain conducive to health. Central to the definition of Integrative Medicine is the body's innate ability to heal. Our bodies know how to get rid of intruders, and often do so without us even knowing about it. Our Parasympathetic Nervous System is where rest, rejuvenation, digestion, and healing happen.

    The Sympathetic Nervous System in the body is designed to be a quick response mobilizing system that promotes a "fight or flight" response, corresponding with arousal and energy generation, and inhibits digestion. It is very useful when we are being attacked by a bear and need to get away. But in our modern world many of us respond as if we are being attacked all the time. We live our lives in Sympathetic Overdrive.

    We live in a time when anxiety is a collective issue and doesn't just come from us. But we also contribute to the anxiety when we are in fear or worry. And who isn't in fear when you receive a cancer diagnosis? I have heard that the most important thing a person can do when diagnosed with cancer is to learn stress reduction techniques, because a cancer diagnosis can put us into Sympathetic Overdrive where healing can't happen.

    Dr. Finkelstein began the workshop by saying that we probably expected him to add to the list of things we should do to eliminate cancer in our bodies. He said he wanted to do the opposite. He wanted us to let go of the burden of having to do everything right. He wanted us to learn how to relax and not be so hard on ourselves.

    The Slow Medicine way is to first of all slow down and look at where we can increase the balance in our lives. The way we are out of balance can be different for each of us. He gave us the 77 questions from his book, Slow Medicine: Hope and Healing for Chronic Illness, that can help us in knowing where we need balance.

    Much of this information wasn't new to me, but it was the reminder I needed that I can make a difference in the progression of my cancer. I also like that there is so much overlap between the Slow Medicine way and the Radical Remission way, which I have been writing about in my blog for the past 4 years. The terrain is up to me, and there is increasing evidence and acknowledgment that it makes a difference.

    Jan Adrian, MSW
    Founder and Executive Director
    www.healingjourneys.org

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited October 2016

    Thank you Stephanie. The various books like radical remission give me back some control. There is a lot I can do to change the odds. However, many of us will not live with cancer as long as we would choose, no matter what we do. In the end, I find peace from accepting the path I am on and not from control. Certainly we don't need to beat ourselves up over the difficult choices and compromises we make every day (financial and physical limits vs. aggressive treatment, optimizing food choices vs pleasure of eating, rest vs working out). Priority #1 is traveling this road with peace and positivity wherever it leads.

    >Z<

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2016

    Has anyone here read "A cancer battle plan" by Anne E. Frahm? I don't think that radical remission has given me false hopes. These books have given me hope and without hope is only death. I have given this disease to myself I believe this. By how I lived ate and remained dormant. What I was unknowingly exposed to as far as toxins etc. I will never relax ....never. I will continue to fight this war till it is done. Now off to the gym😊

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited October 2016

    Wendy3 - You go girl! It is impossible to feel like a cancer patient after a good work out.

    >Z<

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2016

    Wendy, I read A Cancer Battle Plan years ago, back when Anne Frahm was somewhat of a lone voice for food as medicine. I actually read it before I was dx'd with bc -- just b'cuz I've always been interested in natural healing. As I recall, Anne did succumb to her cancer several years after she wrote the book, but I'm sure her advice still holds much wisdom, and might be interesting vis-a-vis what we know now, 20+ years later.

    Stephanie, thanks for telling us about Slow Medicine. I haven't read it, but from the recommendation, it sounds right up my alley, as I very much believe that stress is hugely related to developing cancer, and that "fighting" what's happening in our body is counterproductive to healing. I'm also going to order it, although I must admit to not always doing well at finishing books I start, thanks to chemo brain.

    Editing to add: I just found and ordered Slow Medicine on AbeBooks (my go-to for used books) for $1.00.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited November 2016

    Just wanted to share that I did a Mindful Meditation class yesterday. Not sure you can tell much from one class, but I did have a sort of weird "God thing" (as I call inexplicable meetings with messages from strangers) happen today, so I am definitely going to stick with this weekly class for awhile.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited November 2016

    Deanna - I did an intensive energy work session this week and quiet changes followed. A sense that some things I tend to push for are now pulling me is one way to put it. Things somehow got easier. God Thing? Whatever, I'll take it. Interesting stuff. Glad you found that mediation class. Let us know how it goes.

    >Z<

  • Delvzy
    Delvzy Member Posts: 527
    edited November 2016

    Hi girls just had a bone scan and my body lit up on ribs back and skull yep it's back. I am devastated and in terrible shock not sure what's in front of me

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited November 2016

    Delvzy - every time we have progression we get to relive the shock panic and trauma of diagnosis, but you've been at this for quite some time so you know the drill. take some care to get the diagnosis right (is it the same cancer?), get at least two opinions, make you treatment decision based on the best information you can and go for it. As time marches forward, we have all kinds of new tools. The standard medical tools advance and so do the alternative therapies.

    If you want to chat about the details of your situation and options, it would helpful to update your signature with your current diagnostics and treatment history. We'll lode you up with options and questions to consider with your medical team.

    The ladies on the bone mets thread will be the best resource. You'll find many who have been through progression and are still doing well. Bone mets are beatable.

    Sending you peace and healing. Is there anything you have access to that grounds you like grooming cats or walking or energy work?

    >Z<

  • vancouverdeb
    vancouverdeb Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2017

    I just found this thread and thought I'd try reactivating it coz I'm such huge fan of Radical Remission - I keep it by my bedside, have read it at least twice, and will read a chapter whenever I need a lift.

    I found the thing about 'should' in this forum very powerful - and spent yesterday reframing: "I'm eating brussel sprouts because I like feeling good and want to take care of my body", "I'm driving my son to soccer because I love him and want him to have a great afternoon outside in the sunshine".

    When I first read the book I was surprised by the number of non-diet guidelines. I struggle with this most - tinkering with the diet (fresh vegetables, no sugar, filtered water etc.) is easier.

    Going to find Slow Medicine..... hello and a happy day to everyone.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited August 2017

    Glad to see this thread reinvigorated I loved the book too what's not to love hope is always a good thing. I agree for me diet was a no brainer, supplementing was easy as well once I informed myself. However the brain and the mental attitudes we all have was far harder. I know many woman now with stage four cancer and many of them can't seriously look into the mirror and say I love you unconditionally I know I can't.

    So it's a huge learning task for me to get my mind on board with my healing journey (yes a stage fourer just said healing). For me this will be the biggest challenge I did pick up a Louise Haye Cd about just this , it's a great before sleep audio on mindset and healing one self. The placebo is a real phenomenon and if that's true I believe we can all heal.

  • vancouverdeb
    vancouverdeb Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2017

    Oh gosh - Wendy, I was reading your reply and thought 'oh sure, I can look in the mirror and love myself unconditionally' and then I stopped myself - 'really, Deb?' - and realized that if I was being honest then I can't do that.

    So today I'm back to ketogenics (had taken a week or so off - have heard it's best to cycle through this), remembering to breathe deeply, and continuing with the "I want" self talk.

    Am with you on the whole stage four healing thing! What's the deal with a few metastases?!

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