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steelrose
steelrose Member Posts: 3,798

Hi everyone...

I posted on the Lepto hread too but I'm so desperate for any words of advice and experience that I'm starting this thread. After months of tests, a third lumbar puncture revealed the problem. It was thought to be a neurological disorder because I'm unable to walk, have a paralyzed vocal chord, and s droopy eye. Scary stuff and I think I'm in shock and denial.

Any words at all, especially anyone who has had the chemo directly in the spine?

Love to you all...

Rose

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  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Hi Rose,

    I posted on the other Leptomeningeal thread. I'm not having chemo directly into the spine (don't offer that here for some reason, I think we're behind the times in all sorts of treatments), but I'm in the same boat as far as diagnosis.

    My mets showed up on MRI after a month of headaches (& other subtle signs). I hope the chemo deals to the mets & gets you walking & symptom free again soon.

    I had radiation (3 lots) and my symptoms have improved.just got to get over the rads now.

    Thinking of you

    kt

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited October 2016

    kt, thank you! I'm happy to hear you're doing better. I'm scared but you all give me strength.

    New Zealand is beautiful. All the best from California...

    Rose.

  • Kandy
    Kandy Member Posts: 1,461
    edited October 2016

    Steelrose, I really have no experience, but I wanted you to know I'm thinking and praying for you. I certainly hope the chemo helps quickly for you.

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited October 2016

    Thank you, Kandy. Hope you're enjoying that beautiful grandson!

  • Bestbird
    Bestbird Member Posts: 2,818
    edited October 2016

    I am sorry to hear of your diagnosis, and a very knowledgeable member named Agness has had the same thing and may be a great source of information for you. I hope you do very well on your treatment!

    Below from my MBC Guide is the chapter about Leptomeningeal Mets. You (and others) are welcome to request a complimentary copy of the 120+ page booklet by visiting the top of this page:https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/831507?page=2#idx_32

    Once LM is diagnosed, it is important to check:

    • The patient's ER, PR and HER2 status, as this will help to determine potential therapies.
    • Whether the disease is bulky or diffuse:
    • Whether IntraCranial Pressure (ICP) is elevated. If intracranial pressure is elevated, radiation may be a way to relieve CerebroSpinal Fluid (CSF) obstruction if needed. Relief of CSF outflow obstruction has been shown to improve functional status and is likely to prolong survival in these cases.A VentriculoPeritoneal Shunt (VPS) placement procedure can be used, which carries a small risk of hemorrhage, infection, or shunt malfunction.However, placement of a VPS is a definitive treatment for elevated ICP, and may be combined with a reversible on/off valve to facilitate administration of IntraThecal (IT) chemotherapy.For those in whom a surgical procedure is not desired or tolerable, palliative Radiation Therapy is also effective in relieving CSF outflow obstruction, although the duration of benefit is variable.From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3623833/

    The information below focuses on medications to treat LM.In addition to drugs, palliative radiotherapy can be used with Intrathecal or intravenous chemotherapy.From:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3623833/

    Unfortunately, there currently is no agreed-upon standard treatment LM. Sometimes the benefits of treatment are offset by treatment side effects.Especially if there is uncontrollable disease in other organs, treating symptoms of the disease but not the disease itself may be the best option.

    Drug Delivery options for leptomeningeal metastasis

    Depending on the therapy, drug delivery may be provided as follows:

    • IntraThecally (IT) directly into the cerebrospinal fluid, usually via an Ommaya reservoir
    • Orally
    • Through an IV port
    • Intrathecal drugs are usually delivered directly into the cerebrospinal fluid through an Ommaya reservoir, which is a device inserted in the head, under the scalp.The hair where the reservoir will be inserted is shaved and the patient is put to sleep or made very drowsy while the device is put in place. There may be a small raised area where the Ommaya reservoir is located.Like a port, the device remains in place during the course of treatment.Intrathecal therapy is generally reserved for patients whose systemic disease is under reasonable control and who are in good physical condition. It is important to have cerebrospinal flow studies done before intrathecal chemotherapy is undertaken to make sure there are no blockages. Occasionally, doctors will use radiation to relieve flow blockages.From: http://brainmetsbc.org/en/content/leptomeningeal-metastases-1

    There is no direct evidence that IntraThecal (IT) chemotherapy, which is introduced directly into the cerebrospinal fluid, is better than intravenous chemotherapy, which is given through the veins. From: http://brainmetsbc.org/en/content/leptomeningeal-metastases-1

    • Orally administered medications are usually taken in pill, capsule, or liquid form.
    • IV (Intravenous) Ports: The types of chemotherapy "port" devices are listed in the section entitled "Chemotherapy."

    treatments for leptomeningeal metastasis

    LM drug options are varied, and may include the following drugs. Typically, Cytarabine, Herceptin, Methotrexate and Thiotepa are the most commonly used.

    • ANG1005 (Not Yet FDA approved)
    • CranioSpinal Irradiation (CSI)
    • Cytarabine (DepoCyt)
    • Gemzar (Gemcitabine)
    • Herceptin, with or without Tykerb
    • Hormonal Therapies
    • Leucovorin
    • Methotrexate
    • Thiotepa (Thioplex)
    • Whole Brain Radiation (WBR)
    • Xeloda (Capecitabine)
    • ANG1005: This is a Taxol-like drug being studied to treat brain metastases and Leptomeningeal Metastases (LM). Interim Phase 2 study results demonstrate that breast cancer patients with brain metastases treated with ANG1005, including a subset of patients with LM, achieved encouraging responses. Of the 21 heavily pre-treated patients with LM, 5 patients (24%) achieved a partial response and 11 patients (52%) had stable disease. Estimates of survival in patients with LM treated with ANG1005 predict a median survival of 38.4 weeks as compared to 4-6 weeks if left untreated, or 12-24 weeks with conventional chemotherapy. In addition, ANG1005 demonstrated intracranial and extracranial antitumor activity in patients with various other subtypes of breast cancer including patients previously treated with paclitaxel. ANG1005 was shown to be generally safe and well-tolerated, and demonstrated an adverse event profile consistent with conventional taxane therapy.From: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151120005128/en/Angiochem-Reports-Positive-Clinical-Data-ANG1005-Breast
    • CranioSpinal Irradiation (CSI): Full CranioSpinal Irradiation to the skull and/or spine may lead to complete or partial response in approximately half of breast cancer patients with leptomeningeal disease, though it is not curative and reports are limited.This therapy can cause significant side effects, so other treatments may be preferable. From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3625760/
    • Cytarabine also known as DepoCyt, Cytosar-U, Ara-C, or Cytosine Arabinoside belongs to a group of drugs called anti-metabolites which interfere with cells' ability to make DNA and RNA, which stops the growth of cancer cells.
    • Herceptin: For women with HER2 positive LM there is increasing and seemingly successful use of intrathecal Herceptin both with chemotherapy and alone.Many of these successes have been reported as case studies, although one small trial was done in Spain with promising results.Several trials are now underway to verify these results in larger numbers of patients.In these case studies, low dose (15mg-40mg weekly) and high dose (100mg-150mg weekly) Herceptin have been used.High doses appear not to be toxic and the brain swelling that it causes can be controlled by gradually increasing the dose of Herceptin and using steroids. Intrathecal Herceptin can also be delivered by lumbar puncture to the spine.One woman survived 27 months after LM diagnosis.A complete leptomeningeal response, with no evidence LM at necropsy, was achieved after receiving 67 weekly administrations of intrathecal Herceptin with marked clinical improvement and no adverse events. In some cases, Herceptin may be combined with Tykerb.. From: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21369716
    • Whole Brain Radiation (WBR): As its name indicates, in this therapy, radiation is delivered to the entire brain.One study reported a series of patients with leptomeningeal spread of cancer, of which 46 patients had breast cancer, and 43 underwent WBR. Among the breast cancer patients, there was a 61% "crude" rate of stabilization or improvement of symptoms with WBR.From:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3625760/

    Preservation of Memory with WBR:There is a type of WBR that is a "hippocampus sparing procedure" which may help to preserve a degree of memory that might otherwise be lost as a result of the procedure.In a study of 113 patients, at four months after undergoing the hippocampus sparing procedure, the decline in recall (as compared to baseline) was 7%, significantly better than the 30% cognitive decline in the historical control group that received WBR without thehippocampus sparing procedure.From:http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/early/2014/10/21/JCO.2014.57.2909

    One person wrote that his mother, who has HER2 negative LM, was given Intrathecal Methotraxate via lumbar puncture twice a week for one month and weekly the next month.Afterwards, she received it every 3 weeks. Xeloda was added after the 6th dose at a concentration of 1500 mg in the morning and 1500mg in the evening daily, and she is now in remission.

    Detailed information about potential therapies for LM can be found at: http://bcwatchdigest-brain.evidencewatch.com/

    For some patients, a Clinical Trial may be appropriate.For a free professional Clinical Trial search, call 1.800.4.CANCER (1.800.422.6237).A trained National Cancer Institute (NCI) professional will obtain the patient's specific criteria and forward a list of potential Clinical Trials.


  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited October 2016

    I'm thinking of you too Steelrose! Hope you are up and around soon. Bestbird, you are called that for a reason.....

  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Great info Bestbird, I will show my oncologist.

    I would definitely like more options to give me qol & extended survival! As I'm sure we all do...

    Thanks for the greetings from California, Rose :) I've only been to the airport in LA on a stopover so haven't set foot in the US. Not sure that I'll get overseas again.

    I will be thinking of you as your treatment decisions are being made. Let us know how you go.

    kt


  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited October 2016

    Thank you, Bestbird. My oncologist is prescibing DepoCyt to be inserted in the spine. I wonder why she chose this over say, Methotrexate? Will ask when I see her Mon. This is all foriegn territory to me.

    Kt, I'll watch for your updates! Definitely feeling very alone right now



  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Hi all.

    How was Monday's appointment with your oncologist Rose? (mind you- you may not have had it yet, we're ahead of you here!) I hope it goes/went well.

    I saw my oncologist yesterday and he spent a bit of time trying to find trials for me, but there weren't any open :( He's decided to put me on methotrexate with cyclophosphamide (both oral- I hope my brain can organise itself well enough to take the right med at the right time!- not sure I have much faith in it after all the rads)

    Thinking of you

    kt

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    kt,

    Sad to hear that you've run through another treatment option and your way forward with medical interventions seems obstructed.

    May a new route to improved health and well being open itself to your oncologist and you.

    warmest healing wishes to you and everyone here, Stephanie

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    I want to get the correct spelling of Leptomeningeal Carcinomatosis (not Lepro mets) into the bco archives for future searches by bco members.

    I posted more on this recently at:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/...

    Healing wishes for all, Stephanie

  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Thanks Stephanie :)

    I'm hoping the new combo will do the trick until something better comes up at least. Who knows it may be my magic bullet.

    I'm with you on the spelling of Leptomeningeal - I wonder if PMing the mods would help? Someone may have tried already I think, & nothing happened.

    You amaze me with the way you look out for us all like a mother hen :D Wishing you comfort, joy and love filled days x

    (Edited for spelling!)

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited October 2016

    I'm another huge Stephanie fan! I can't even spell what I have... "Lepto" not "Lepro." I dare not try the full spelling just yet. Thank you for all you do for us, Stephanie.

    I'm in the hospital after my first treatment yesterday, nowgetting IV steroids and liquid. I was pretty weak coming in. The treatment itself wasn't bad... more nerve wracking than anything. I just hope it works. I'm getting PT while I'm here too... still not walking and very discouraged about that. I was in the same state in 2010 after spinal met surgery and had to learn to walk again too. Grrrr...

    Thank you all for being here...

    Rose.



  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited October 2016

    Rose, step-by-step!

    May your treatment and care providers bring you necessary relief and healing now.

    It's possible the PT will improve your quality-of-life in a really good way.

    holding hope for improved conditions ahead, Stephanie

  • jobur
    jobur Member Posts: 726
    edited October 2016

    Dear Rose, I am so sorry to hear this latest turn of events, but at the same time glad that you have an accurate dx so that you are getting the correct treatment. Know thine enemy! I hope a short stay in the hospital and some physical therapy will have you feeling better and stronger. Sending love and healing thoughts to you.

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited October 2016

    Thank you for the good wishes... means the world to me! I'm pushing forward with hope...

    Love to all.,.

    Rose

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited October 2016

    A ton more good wishes for you, Rose. We are all behind you on this new path to recovery!

  • Mab60
    Mab60 Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2016

    hi steelrose. I hate this for you but I guess I kind of agree with jobur. At least you know now what has been causing your issues for a while now. I have always felt a connection with you and I want you to know that I will be thinking and praying for you. Will be waiting on further updates from you. We are here for you!

    Mary Anne


  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Hi Rose, I hope things have improved for you after the steroids & fluids and that the PT is helping.

    Feel better real soon

    kt

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited October 2016

    Heidi, Mary Anne, kt...

    Thanks for the good wishes. I'm still in hospital and probably heading to a rehab place after this if my insurance covers it.

    I'm still weak with all kinds of neurological issues going on. This is very scary but I'm trying to stay positive.


  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited October 2016

    Wish I could come visit you, Rose, and you get to start rehab soonest.

    kt, hope you are feeling better everyday after rads.

  • mara51506
    mara51506 Member Posts: 5,088
    edited October 2016

    Thinking of you KT, hope your symptoms are improving.

    Rose, what can I say. I hope you can get the rehab soon as well to get you back on your feet. Hope between your treatment, steroid and hydration, your brain will cooperate for you once again. Hoping for some good results.

    I know I don't have LM at this point but anybody dealing with brain and CNS holds even more of my thoughts and prayers.

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited October 2016

    Thinking of you Steelrose and hope they are treating you well. I also hope Stephanie is right and the PT does a world of good for you. We are all thinking of you today and hope the issues clear up soon and you can return to your own home!

    KT, I hope you are feeling better too and the new meds go OK and keep you tooling along.

  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Hi everyone, thanks for the good wishes.

    I hope you're doing ok, Rose and that things are improving for you.

    I had an unscheduled trip to the acute oncology room today as I developed a new symptom over the weekend as well as increased stuff like double vision, head/sacrum discomfort etc as well as feelin 'off'. I think the feeling off is prob just the chemo. The new symptom was the right side of my mouth pulled up into a weird smile while my eye pulled down towards it (glad I wasn't in public) just for a few minutes on 4 different mornings shortly after I got up.

    They did the usual neurological reflex tests etc I reckon it's just floaters in my CSF irritating nerves or something. They did offer me antiseizure meds as it could have been a localised seizure, but I don't fancy that just for a 2 minute funny face.... So I will persevere with C&M & hope for the best.

    I would like some energy back, between rad recovery, chemo & steroid weaning I'm soo tired :)

  • Mab60
    Mab60 Member Posts: 487
    edited October 2016

    hi rose. Thinking of you often. Did you make it to rehab? I am praying for some improvement for you.

    Mary Anne


  • GirlWarrior
    GirlWarrior Member Posts: 25
    edited November 2016

    Just wanted to add my name to the group - I was diagnosed with leptomeningeal mets on October 21,so I am now in the weird world of having my life turned upside down to try and see what this all means. Glad there is a group here.

  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited October 2016

    Hi everyone. Welcome GirlWarrior! Sorry you find yourself here.

    Did you have WBR? Are you dealing with any se's or symptoms? I hope you're going well anyway.

    Rose, how're you doing? I hope you continue to improve. Thinking of you.

    I've started with a bit of nausea & vomiting in the mornings again. I'm hoping it's just because I'm weaning off the Dex, down to 2 mg now (my onc hates the stuff). Also getting the pins & needles in my feet going all the way up my legs sometimes- apparently the chemo can do that? I can probably put the head & spine discomfort down to increased inflammation because of the reduced Dex too.

    Apart from that & very little energy everything's hunky dory ;) It's all fun & games in cancer land...

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited November 2016

    Hi everyone and thanks for the good wishes. I'm in a rehab program and had a set back when I developed pneumonia. On the mend now, and cleared for PT starting tomorrow! This is a scary diagnosis, I won't lie, but without hope what have we got? Thinking of you all...

    Rose

  • kt1966
    kt1966 Member Posts: 1,326
    edited November 2016

    Hi Rose,

    Great to see you back :) I hope you've well & truly recovered from the pneumonia and are feeling heaps better! If not yet, asap.

    (Actually that's why I've been on daily prophylactic antibiotics since mid August, my onc said you can get pneumonia from being on steroids long term)

    Good luck with the PT tomorrow - I hope it's fun as well as a workout.


    Take care


  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited November 2016

    kt, great to hear from you again too. I hope your energy is improved.

    I'm getting second chemo tomorrow, injected into lumbar. Can't believe I''m actually looking forward to it! PT was limited this morning, but felt good. I was so active before this LMsetback and I get so discouraged, but as Stephanie reminds us... every day is a gift.

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