Just Diagnosed & Struggling with what surgery is for me
Hi All,
This is my first post, sad to be here but 'happy' to find a place for support. I was diagnosed with DCIS about 2 weeks ago, I'm a healthy, active, 46 yo mom and wife. The DCIS was found during my annual mammogram. I got the call back, but wasn't too alarmed as I have dense breasts. The calcifications are in my right outer upper breast and stereotactic biopsy confirmed DCIS, 3-4 cm, grade 3, comedonecrotic. Yay. After meeting with the Surgical Oncologist, I'm left feeling super confused about what to do. He's recommending lumpectomy with 5 1/2 weeks of radiation but also referred me to see a breast plastic surgeon in case I want to go that route - I'm waiting for my consult. Meanwhile, I had genetic testing done (2 first cousins Dxd at 39 and 45 and a grandmother in her 70's) and get to play the waiting game for those results. I have scheduled both the lumpectomy and the mastectomy for 2 different dates in November so that I can keep the ball rolling. If I test positive for any funky gene stuff, I'd go ahead with a double mastectomy, but if negative… what do I do?? As any of my fellow DCIS peeps know, it's hard (and lucky) having the ultimate decision be yours. The more I read, the muddier the water becomes. My calcifications got SO big, SO fast, SO atypical… my last mammogram was 12 months before and totally clear! I also know that what they got on biopsy isn't necessarily what they will find with surgical pathology. If I DO go for a lump, I'm really worried about the effects of radiation. How would it impact my future reconstruction if needed, long term issues, blah blah blah… I change my mind about 30 times a day. As a further kick in the pants, I'm WEAKLY (20%) estrogen reactive BUT I have Factor V Leiden. Not a candidate for Tamoxifen. I'd love some feedback on radiation experiences, mastectomy experiences, reconstruction AFTER radiation… My gut is telling me that there is more in there than at first blush, but I'm TRYING to separate the emotional aspect of this - and failing miserably.
Ugh!!!!!
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Hi, snowing -- sorry you have found yourself having to make these decisions but glad you found this site. I struggled with this decision quite a bit. While I was waiting for genetic testing results, I let myself separate from the emotional side as much as possible and went into research mode. It helped to review the research on recurrence rates and survival rates to know what is involved in this decision. When the genetic tests came back clear, I decided to go the LX/rads route but ultimately the decision was made for me after having involved margins in 2 LX. Reconstruction is a whole other boondoggle and was the most challenging part of my experience. You could give the LX a go, see if you have clear margins, and then change your mind and have a MX if you feel like radiation is not the right fit for you. Then you will get the DCIS out immediately and have a few weeks to start rads or choose MX. I wish you the best in making your decision -- I found this process maddening and felt a lot of relief once my treatment plan was made!
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One thing to consider is that you can always do a lumpectomy and then, depending on the results of the pathology proceed to a mastectomy, but you can’t go the other way around - once a breast is gone, it is gone.
I never really considered a mastectomy, but my tumor was much smaller than yours. I tolerated radiation very well, by the way.
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Hi Snowing,
Reading your post makes me feel such compassion for where u r at. I was diagnosed in May with DCIS and it was an absolute knock me off my feet thing (I am 42, totally healthy, mom, wife, teacher, and no family history). To make a long story short, I had a lumpectomy then a reexcision 2 weeks later, but I was not able no to get clean margins needed for success. My surgeon was great, But it was too extensive and I had to have a mastectomy. I think wasn't at all what I wanted but I have a 9 year old and a 12 year old and I want to be around for a long time so it was necessary.
I think the bottom line for u, is to get as much info u can from professionals thst u feel u can trust, and decide what is best for u based on your circumstances.
I think given the circumstances being emotional is normal...it was and still still is for me and my mastecotomy was august 24.
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In January 2016 I was diagnosed with grade 3 comedo DCIS 1.8 cm(so smaller than yours) ER/PR negative. Chose lumpectomy and had 3 1/2 weeks of rads. No regrets so far. Radiation was not terrible although I did have some skin issues. I would do it again if I had to.
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Thank you all for your posts - I really appreciate it! I do think starting with the LX and see what they find is the smart way to go. It's really helpful to hear about all of your experiences.
LAstar, I'm interested in your reconstruction boondoggle. You were able to have Flap on both breasts??
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Dear Snowing, I have no advice for you but am writing to let you know that I am right there with you. I am 48, diagnosed two weeks ago with DCIS, grade 3, comedo, 3mm. I have three wonderful kids, a great husband, a job I love, and a very active life that I want to be able to keep up with, but right now I am struggling to . . . I have literally flip flopped back and forth every day between lumpectomy/mastectomy and have lost so much sleep. I have consultations with two surgeons next week, and am anxiously awaiting their advice. Please hang in there and know that you are not alone! And thank you so much to the other members who have shared their experiences. It is so comforting to hear from people who have been through this!
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Hi, Snowing -- yes, I started with bilateral MX and hip flap reconstruction. The flap on my cancer side ended up having extensive necrosis that shrunk the flap over time (this is rare, but a little more common with hip flaps than with DIEP), so I had a DIEP on that side 2.5 years later. It was a 6-week recovery for the initial surgery, a 2-week recovery for the Stage 2 surgery (where fat grafting, shaping, and symmetry happens), and then 4 weeks for the DIEP. That's a lot of recovery time, but my breasts look very natural. There are definitely moments when you wonder if having a couple of blobs of fat on your chest are worth all the trouble!
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I've benefited so much from this forum that I'm happy to share my experience.
After an abnormal mammogram and ultrasound in June this year, I had two biopsies - one for a small nodule (<5mm) and another for microcals. Both were in different parts of my right outer upper breast. Both were found with DCIS grade 2 with some comedo necrosis, ER+. My breast surgeon advised that I go for a mastectomy. He told me that the cosmetic effect from a lumpectomy would be poor as he would have to take out a good chunk of the quadrant. He also felt that mine was likely a case of multi-focal DCIS and he might not get a clear margin in a lumpectomy.
I agonised over the decision for about 2 months. I noted that if lumpectomy failed, I could go for mastectomy but not the other way round. I also sought a 2nd opinion and the doc felt that a lumpectomy was possible and she could give a fairly good cosmetic outcome. However, I analysed my report and saw that some samples taken outside the microcal/nodule area were also DCIS. That meant that there was a good possibility that my DCIS was more extensive than what could be detected. I was also not keen on tamoxifen following lumpectomy as I was concerned over its possible effects on my uterine fibroids, as well as it giving menopausal symptoms.
In the end I went with my gut feel and what I would be comfortable with. I had a single mastectomy with no reconstruction in Aug 2016. The report showed that I did have extensive DCIS - about 10 cm over half my breast. I could not have escaped mastectomy. I also had to do a sentinel node biopsy with 3 lymph nodes removed and all clear. To my great relief, I needed no further treatment. Do factor in that mastectomy comes with SNB, and if nodes are not cleared, there will be axilliary node clearance. Removal of the lymph nodes, even just 3, meant that I have to live with lifetime threat of lymphedema on my right arm.
My surgeon felt that I should have reconstruction given my age (45), but I just could not bear having a foreign object on my chest. I also did not want to inflict harm on other parts of my healthy body just to re-create a breast. I have small breasts, so I believed I can cope. Recovery time was also important for me. I need to work and take care of my family. With a simple mastectomy, I was able to get back to work and regained most range of motion 2 weeks after surgery. My fitness helped. Now in my 8th week, I feel pretty good, though I am not yet fully recovered. Still feel some numbness and discomfort on the chest, armpit and trunk. I have re-started exercises - yoga, zumba, jogging, but taking care to not exert too much too soon. Looking back I think I made a good, informed decision.
This website has a wealth of information and stories. Read through as much as you can. Everyone is different. Make your own informed choice that is suited to your situation. Don't rush. Good luck!
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Very difficult choices with no good solutions. We generally go with the plan the we fear the least. For me, I really, really, really wanted to avoid radiation. While most sail through it, some don't or they have lasting side effects. Of course I chose a very big surgery (bmx/w immediate DIEP recon) that could have had it own side effects or poor results, so it's not really rational to chose one over the other, except for me - radiation was the thing to avoid. I recently completed the last surgical step - areolas & nipples. The nurse commented on how quickly and nice everything is healing, adding "of course you're not dealing with radiated skin". I don't know what radiated skin is like, but that statement confirmed to me that I made the right choice, for me.
Good luck to you with whatever route you choose.
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My radiated skin is beautifully clear and soft. My muscles are strong and in fact, my less dominated arm that was inflicted with a mx is stronger than my dominant arm. I opted against reconstruction and have absolutely no discomfort or limitations on my activity. Does that mean that my choices are best for you, absolutely not. I just want you to know that options exist for you and that others' experiences are not necessarily relevant to you. You need to consider what is specific to your case and to your personal priorities. Are clear margins likely? What is important to your body image and sexuality. How active are you? Do you have medical reasons to avoid radiation? Once you know what you feel is best for you, let us know and persons with your experience will be there to support your decision. It is your decision and it will be the right one!
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Snowing - great you are asking about radiation and future potential issues. It could be I was so wrapped up in hearing I had cancer upon my first diagnosis but I swear I dont recall my doctors advising me on the radiation & recon issue. Or it could be I thought I'd never need to deal with this again so I tuned it out, either way I think its good you are aware and seeking info.
I had lumpectomy and radiation years ago with no terrible side effects. Fast forward to a recent new diagnosis which required MX since I'd had prior radiation. Thats ok, I was ready for the MX by this time after years of mamo callbacks, biopsies, MRI's and worry. Multiple doctors told me how great it was that I could simply do recon with MX and I'd be on my way. However when I saw the plastic surgeons they right away said it was not that simple since I had prior radiation. Some women do fine, some dont but the complication rate that all 3 plastic surgeons I saw quoted was 50/60% for previously radiated tissue using expanders and implants. The somewhat better option seemed to be flap surgery using your own tissue to build the new breast. Not without issues but the rate of success was better, surgery more involved of course.
My advice is to go see a couple of plastic surgeons now and ask about options and the what ifs. It was a good learning experience to get second opinions, I'd never done that before. I now know who I'd want to use if I ever do recon. Had the double MX without recon on Oct 7th and am healing well. Regarding pathology after the MX, thankfully no invasive cancer but there was additional DCIS found (margins were clear) and something atypical found in the non cancer breast. I dont know how common that is but I wasnt surprised, just so thankful it was clear.
Hang in there, and hoping for the best for you.
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Hi Snowing - I too have Factor V Leiden and also had a very similar diagnosis like you. I am 55 years old and I decided to have a bmx with immediate reconstruction. My surgery was September 2, 2016 and so far so good. The dcis I had was hormone positive and now I am taking arimidex. I started the arimidex three weeks ago and I am doing fine with it so far and my fingers are crossed. I have a family history of breast cancer even my uncle had it but I did not have the BRCA gene. The reason I choose to do the bmx was because my left breast had the dcis and I already had 2 biopsies on my right breast. I knew I could not emotionally handle living in fear that every mamogram on the right breast might reveal a dcis or cancer diagnosis. I was lucky to be able to have immediate implants and not have to have expanders. My breast surgeon helped me with my decision and I have no regrets. Whatever decision you make will be the right one for you. Best wishes for you!
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I wanted to say thanks again for all who have posted. I'm still waiting on my genetics, but as of today (though subject to change on a dime!) I'm thinking lumpectomy and see what the outcome of that is before I decide on the next part of the plan. THE WAITING SUCKS!!
I have found SOOO much comfort (which isn't even the right word, but it's close) in having you all here too. It's hard to try to explain to the people in my life what is happening in my head - but you all get it. Thank you! xo
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Go to my page and read my posts, and you will see my full story. I had a LX for DCIS and later, when my right breast continued to grow things, I had a BMX. I am so glad I did since they found LCIS in the left breast we didn't know was there; I had reconstruction, didn't need radiation, and haven't looked back. You will hear a lot of opinions. YOU must make the decision that is right for YOU. No one else's cancer or body is exactly like yours, so no one can tell you what to decide. Here is the realization I finally made that helped me to make the hardest decision I've EVER made in my life:
This is not a choice between Six Flags and Disneyland.
You are not going to make a decision and go "Yay! I'm so excited!" You are going to make a decision and then still doubt yourself and wonder if it was the right one. Once I realized that, I had a slightly easier time of deciding.
I was climbing onto the operating table (I always go into the OR awake and alert with no drugs) and I said to my bs "So we should really do this...?" and she said "Well, we are now!" and laughed haha -- I was still doubting my decision as I climbed onto the table! But it was the right decision for me. I got an "aha!" moment when they found the LCIS in my other breast that we had NO idea was there. I could have died from that before they found it (my mother was dying of bc by the time we knew she had it). But even without the "aha" moment, you will feel better once you have made the decision. My bs told me that clinical studies have shown that women are happy with their decision -- no matter which way they went!
best of luck to you.
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Snowing, I wrestled for a long time over this. I was worried about the cosmetic outcome of a lx because I knew they would need to take a big chunk out. My surgeon was adamant there is no difference in outcomes between lx plus rads and hormone therapy, and mx.
In the end I opted for all with oncoplastic reconstruction, so my affected breast is reduced and lifted, the scarring is round the areola so barely there 5 weeks later. I did need a second surgery to get clear margins but everything is fine now.
I am really happy I started with a lx, the results are great despite losing a large amount of tissue. They say I may need surgery on the other breast depending what effect the rads have, but some girls seem to have shrinkage and others some swelling after rads, so I'll wait and see.
The way my surgeon put it, if you start with lx and all goes well, you can keep your breast and don't need reconstruction, if you need a mx later you haven't lost anything by trying this route first.
These things are so hard to decide, when you're still in shock at the diagnosis and suddenly you have to make life changing decisions.
Good luck with whichever way you decide to go.
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so many of these stories could be me. I have prelim stereo biopsy of DCIS grade 3 but lots of clusters of micro calcifications that span a good portion of my breast so bs said she wasn't confident she could get all of it so I'm schedule for umx in two weeks including reconstruction and lift/implant on other side to match. Just went today for my pre op appointment and I cried pretty much through the whole thing. That was embarrassing. I have no idea who would want to sign up for implants without reason. Yikes. 40 page consent form.
Now I'm second guessing if I should do bmx instead. So many decisions and trying not to make complete emotional one. Not easy that's for sure.
Hugs to all of you on this journey.
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