Radical Remission Book Club by Kelly A. Turner, Ph.D.

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  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited August 2016

    Carol, I was so sorry to hear you were feeling a void the other day regarding happiness. What you described is how I feel often these days. Here I am on summer vacation and today I have had the worst time trying to decide what to do with my day. I am a person with many hobbies, I used to love riding my bike, taking the kayaks out, shopping for a new pair of jeans. Nothing sounded fun or appealing. Then I feel guilty because I feel well enough to do all of these things and instead just hang around my house tinkering around. I like the suggestions here about practicing gratitude, it does help get me started. And as Momine says "being productive". I do get a certain level of maybe not happiness, but satisfaction out of that. Slowly but surely I pinpoint the things that perk me up and try to repeat.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2016

    Art- I really am struggling with it- It takes one little thing to just set me off. Today it is that my white cell and neut counts just are not cooperating and I feel like I should be able to control this better. Today I spent the majority of my day reading and looking for supplements that I may be lacking to give me the gratitude that my brain cannot feel. I certainly cannot eat any healthier, unless I give up maybe a couple glasses of wine here and there that I so enjoy. I have been so tired- I have bought many books and half of the time whatever I am reading just does not register. I do better just following Stephanie around and read everything she has pointed out to us.

    I have to get out and walk tomorrow no matter how I feel. I am a woman of a million excuses of why I can't do something. That was never me. I guess I am letting cancer take me away from me. I think I am exhausted from thinking too much. Steph last post about having a job really made some sense. Please try and enjoy your vacation. I am headed to Vermont next weekend...

    Hugs, Carol

  • singlemom1
    singlemom1 Member Posts: 434
    edited August 2016

    Hi all.

    I tend to post only once in awhile but I read the posts very often and appreciate all the strong and brave women dealing with this very challenging disease. The kindness, support and knowledge shared on these boards is amazing and I am grateful that we have the ability to communicate with eachother in this day and age of technology.

    I am also wondering if anyone plans to attend the Radical Renissions weekend workshop in New York this October? I am planning on attending and recently learned that the current cut off to apply for a financial subsidy is in a week or two. Would be great if some of us went from this thread and could meet up.


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2016

    Singlemom, I think I am going. I will pm you.

    Hugs,

    Carol

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited August 2016

    Carol, I struggle a lot too. Some of the things that set me of....oh boy! And it is pretty hard to feel gratitude when all we can think about is what we are already dealing with. I have started hitting up my library a lot for books. Sometimes i just sit there and read a little. When I bring them home, if i can't finish it, i just bring it back and get another. One piece of info at a time. We can only do what we can do. I truly think the wine is a good thing although I am a pretty moderate drinker with liver mets. But once in awhile I just want to feel the warmth go down, you know? Getting motivated to get out and exercise takes me a whole lot of self talk. Having a job has it benefits but I wish at this point I could pick when I want to go, or not.... Getting up early and getting ready and working all day takes it toll as well. Steph has been a wonderful and generous resource for all of us! Keep plugging away Carol. I hope we all find our peaceful zone.

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited August 2016

    That is really cool about the workshop. I hope some of you will be able to attend and tell us all about it!

  • txmom
    txmom Member Posts: 306
    edited August 2016

    This is one of my favorite recipes.  I use half the maple syrup though.  http://minimalistbaker.com/white-bean-kale-salad-with-tahini-dressing/

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited August 2016

    txmom darn it tried the link didn't work

  • txmom
    txmom Member Posts: 306
    edited August 2016

    Hi Wendy, I tried to post the link again but it doesn't work.  I did copy and paste the link above and it worked just fine.  I got the recipe from the Minimalist Baker Blog-White Bean Kale Salad.


     

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    Remembering that many of us took up the RR (Radical Remission) factors and wondering how we're all doing with our good resolutions.

    This article came to mind:

    Anne Lamott: 'Please Join Me In Not Starting A Diet January 1st'

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4518818

    I continue to eat "as I please" - just had organic corn chips with organic homemade salsa. Could be better, could be worse, but sure was tasty and just enough.

    Anyone else want to check in on your RRRs (radical remission resolutions)?

    Warmest of healing regards, Stephanie

  • Katjadvm
    Katjadvm Member Posts: 137
    edited August 2016

    Anyone out there sprouting broccoli seeds for the sulforaphane?

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited August 2016

    I try and eat mostly things with lots of nutritional value especially if they are purported to help cancer retreat or bolster the immune system. Lots of fruits and vege's mostly organic. However, I will still also myself to eat something if it just screams my name. A chocolate square or a piece of peanut butter bread. Corn chips are a favorite of mine. I get the organic ones with flax seeds in them. MMMMMM so good! tonight with a very healthy salad my Dh made me a BLTA. Only 1 slice of crispy bacon, lots of tomatoes, lettuce and avocado on whole grain bread.

  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited August 2016

    I no longer have the energy to cook. still vegetarian though and finally gave up all dairy and feel much better for it, cough better, heartburn better

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited August 2016

    I gave up most dairy too and definitely feel better.

  • Katjadvm
    Katjadvm Member Posts: 137
    edited August 2016

    Anyone sprouting broccoli seeds?

  • eelder
    eelder Member Posts: 169
    edited August 2016

    Katjadvm... not yet, however, I have all the stuff to start doing it and plan to this week! Have you? Any tips?

  • Katjadvm
    Katjadvm Member Posts: 137
    edited August 2016

    eelder: just rinse twice daily until they are sprouted the amount you want them to be and enjoy. They have a very mild taste of broccoli. I just have to remember to keep a few jars going. I wish I ate them every day, but I usually do about 4 days a week. Like the way they taste. They are delicious on salads with raw pumpkin seeds. Ordered off of organic sprouting company on Amazon. take care and enjoy.

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited August 2016

    I don't know why we're so focused on diet in this topic, when it's just one of Kelly Turner's 9 keys to surviving cancer against all odds.

    I began with diet myself, but was already quite pure when my breast cancer adventure began at age 34 in 1990. I worked in natural foods collective, avoided toxins of all types, exercised outside and in the yoga studio, meditated and otherwise did the perfect cancer prevention lifestyle.

    According to Turner, it's the perfect cancer remission lifestyle too, but the genetic odds are stacked against me as I've a lifelong rare genetic condition with a 93% risk of cancer in numerous organs.

    Looking back, I'm glad I'd embraced the anti-cancer lifestyle because I don't have self-doubt about anything I did or didn't personally do to "get" cancer. And it's made it very easy to explore/experience a huge number of dietary and other lifestyle modifications. Self-discipline comes naturally and my comfort food and measures are health-promoting, not health-defeating.

    I can only imagine how hard it is to change lifestyles in the face of a cancer diagnosis and have the deepest respect for all who attempt to go against their prior habits and the habits of those surrounding them.

    Women who cook for a family accustomed to the SAD (standard American diet) have to undergo huge shifts and possible resistance to dietary changes. My heart goes out to you.

    I've recently been considering Key 8, Deepening Your Spiritual Connection. The chapter started out with great promise! Everyone does have access to states of wonder, awe, surrender, joy, feeling/being enveloped and filled by the life force. Of course habit, addictions, depression, mental illness and environment can hinder our access. Yet, I believe life loves us because we are each and all surging, glorious manifestations of the life force.

    Every time I reflect on the unlikelihood of human existence, I remember this Buddhist story as told in the Pali Canon:

    The Buddha was speaking to a group of monks. He said, "Monks, suppose that this great earth were totally covered with water and a man were to toss a yoke with a single hole into the water. A wind from the West would push it East; a wind from the East would push it West; a wind from the North would push it South; a wind from the South would push it North. And suppose a blind sea turtle were there. It would come to the surface only once every 100 years. Now what do you suppose the chances would be that a blind turtle, coming once to the surface every 100 years, would stick his neck into the yoke with a single hole?"

    And the monks answered, "It would be very unusual, Sir, that a blind turtle coming to the surface once every hundred years would stick his neck into the yoke."

    And the Buddha replied, "And just so, it is very, very rare that one attains the human state."

    We are truly blessed - or statistically unlikely beings, if you prefer number talk. :)

    We may as well enjoy our rare and precious human state!

    But then the chapter veers in odd directions. taking us first to brain research, then to a long story of a young man cured of brain cancer by John of God in Brazil - as if spiritual healing is something foreign, exotic, expensive and unattainable for most folks.

    I just don't buy that!

    Yes, I've had two close friends, both deceased from metastatic breast cancer, who went to Brazil for healing. One was wealthy and seldom satisfied with her international healing adventures. She wasn't happy with John of God, though our mutual friend, her companion, underwent a major life transformation and rated it worth the trip. The second was also wealthy and always enthusiastic about all things alternative. She went twice - once with an entourage of a dozen on a quest, again with just a couple of friends, one a native of Brazil. Both times, she encountered amazing healing, but she barely made it back alive from the second journey and died shortly afterwards. (aside - I attended, participated in, their after-death, at-home vigils. It's a different topic, but important in understanding what sort of person might go to John of God - someone willing to buck the system.)

    Both sought physical cure, neither got it. The first didn't get a deeper healing, but the second certainly experienced great inner, emotional and spiritual healing. I don't know why the journey didn't work for one and not the other - I suspect basic openness and orientation???

    So, John of God may be a miracle worker, but not all miracles are made in dramatic ways, in distant places, with identified healers.

    Sometimes miracles come as quiet and beautiful unfolding - appreciation, gratitude, connection, love, tenderness, service, caring, relief, release and joy. Sometimes they come when sought and quite often by grace.

    This is a long and rambling note to suggest that we seek and also remain open to the common, everyday, at-home, unremarked miracle of the precious gift of human existence. And to understand that sometimes that expresses as physical healing, other times as a deep and no less life-changing healing.

    Anyone care to join me in reflecting on the Turner's other, softer keys?

    much love, Stephanie

    PS, I still don't understand why exercise wasn't a key factor, given how good it makes us feel in the short term and its scientifically proven long term benefits. Oh well, she wrote the book, I didn't.

  • Kthielen
    Kthielen Member Posts: 194
    edited August 2016

    long term survivor,

    I enjoyed reading your post! It gives you a lot to think about. On the exercise front , that is the one thing my Dr truly believes can help make a difference with survival.


    Thanks,

    Kathy


  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited August 2016

    Longterm, I do make a daily effort to notice and savor all the beautiful, nice and funny things happening along my path. I do think it is very important for living a good life, however long or short it turns out to be

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited August 2016

    Last time I saw my BS he said if it was up to him, everyone would exercise (all forms...cardio, strength, yoga etc) and take 4000-5000IU of Vitamin D daily. He says he's convinced that this would dramatically reduce the prevalence of breast cancer.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2016

    I have a list of things to keep in mind. The usual eat well, exercise, and get enough sleep. But also, and just as important, get out in nature, see friends, and spread some kindness and good will.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited August 2016

    Kelly's Keys (just for easy reference):

    • Radically change your diet
    • Take control of your health
    • Follow your intuition
    • Use herbs and supplements, preferrably under a doctor's supervision
    • Increase positive emotions
    • Have social support
    • Deepen your spiritual connection
    • Have strong reasons for living


    I'm a big fan of exercise as well. And if you exercise outdoors/in nature, you'll get your Vitamin D, as per Lala's doc recommendation, for the most part, as well as deepen your spiritual connection to your natural surroundings. Exercise actually is or can be a part of all the keys mentioned. You'll be burning calories instead of ingesting them, which could be a substantial amount depending on how vigorously you exercise. You'll take control of your health by committing to regular workouts. You'll follow your intuition by figuring out what feels right for your body, getting more in touch with it in the process. Exercise results in oxidative stress which the body adapts to by producing endogenous antioxidants, our homemade supplements. If you take group classes, you will have a social network of exercisers/meditators. Exercise helps fight depression and gives you reasons for living because it puts things in a more positive light.


    I agree, Stephanie, we don't need to go to Brazil or other exotic places. But if one needs an excuse to go to these places, you won't get a Standard American Diet at the very least.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited August 2016

    And one more point about Vitamin D....when I was first diagnosed my BS said he wanted to check my Vitamin D levels. I told him I was sure they were fine since I work with horses for a living and am outside most days for most of the day. He insisted. Well, I was very surprised to find out I was on the way low end of normal! He said it's because we use so much sunscreen. So even if you're already outside a lot, you may still need to supplement. He suggested 4000IU. I take 5000IU, mostly because that's an amount that comes in one pill. :) I've been on this dose for 2 years and have gotten up to the middle of normal range. So my point being, get your levels checked so you can be sure where you stand.

  • eelder
    eelder Member Posts: 169
    edited August 2016

    I totally agree that exercise is at the top of the list. My oncologist mentioned to me that "if I did ANYTHING it should be exercise." Sounds like other docs agree.

    I am also taking 5000IU's of Vitamin D. Question though - I take a multivitamin that also has Vitamin D but then I take an additional 5000IU on top of that (because it comes in that amount). Is there such a thing as "too much"? Or do I not worry about that?

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 6,398
    edited August 2016

    There can be "too much" Vitamin D, but generally multivitamins have only 400 IU in them. You can check your bottle. If you are getting your Vit D level monitored, I wouldn't worry about it. I take 3000 IU plus the amount in my multivitamin and get my level checked every year, and this is what works for me. Everyone is different, though.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited August 2016

    Okay I have the vitamin D covered now that's supplements and diet. Did we get to the excerise part what are you ladies doing in that regard

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited August 2016

    eelder---I take 5000IU plus what's in my multi. That amount isn't a problem. I think it's when you start going over 10000IU that it might be too much unless your doc prescribes it.

    Wendy3---I try to do a little bit of everything. My goal is 45 min a day minimum of something. Today I did an hour yoga class but then walked briskly for 15 more minutes. I do yoga twice a week, lift weights + body weight exercises 3 times a week and I get on the treadmill for 30-60 min about 4-5 times a week. Then every once in a while I swim. It sounds like a lot but it's not. I never lift weights on back to back days and I try to change it up or else I'll get bored. And for me, boredom would kill my exercising, which I don't need!! If at all possible, see if there are any "cancer wellfit" type classes at your local gym or even hospital. I went to a local gym and signed up for their PREP program (Physician Referral Exercise Program) which allowed me to join the gym and use all their amenities for 10 weeks for $60! As part of the program they show you how to use all the equipment and set up a program tailored to your needs. I spend every summer in another part of the country and the gym just keeps letting me do the PREP program for the summer so I don't have to pay the signup fees and such. I can use the weights, machines, track, lap pool, warm water pool, class pool, and take any cardio, yoga, karate, you name it class they have all as part of the membership. Best thing I ever did through my cancer journey.

  • eelder
    eelder Member Posts: 169
    edited August 2016

    When I was diagnosed I started exercising consistently (before dx it was sporadic). I started with 3 miles of walking per day and after a few weeks I was walking 4-5 miles per day. I usually took one day off, not because I wanted to, but because I am a mom to two young boys and frankly there was always one day that just didn't work. I'd been doing this for the past 4 months. BUT THEN I developed planters fasciitis. What a drag. Walking isn't good for me now because my heel hurts so bad, but I couldn't stop exercising. I started to crave it, it lifted my mood, and every doc tells me it's the best thing you can do for yourself. SO.... I joined a gym. I started doing the bike. I then got a trainer and now meet with him 2 days a week (and go a 3rd day on my own)... we do weight lifting, TRX-type stuff.... basically anything that will build strength, give me a cardio workout, but also limits the impact on my foot since that darn planters fasciitis isn't going away.... Since being diagnosed I've lost 30+ pounds and I credit exercise and a healthy diet. I plan to lose 30 more, but this past month I've hit a snag (weight stable, no loss) so hopefully the weight lifting and change in exercise will help that. I don't enjoy running so I don't do that. I plan to take a yoga class at some point. I'd still be walking daily if my foot didn't hurt. I loved it.

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