Anyone starting Chemo July 2016?

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  • nbarkach
    nbarkach Member Posts: 16
    edited July 2016

    Where is the July group located. I'm having a little trouble navigating this site.

  • DistrictGirl
    DistrictGirl Member Posts: 50
    edited July 2016

    Meow0369 - Yes, I'm cold capping! I'm using Penguin Cold Caps. I'm on Taxotere, Carbo, Herceptin and Perjeta, and my MO said people on my regimen lose head hair between days 14-17. I'm on day 21 and am shedding some, but not a lot. Started my free brazilian this week though ;) and leg hair is starting to loosen - but the cold caps seem to be doing their job! Uncomfortable and a pain in the ass, but worth it if you want to save hair or have it grow back more quickly.

    nbarkach - which chemo regimen are you on? I was down for the count for the entire first week after infusion (also the week after, but that was due to complications from an infection - definitely not standard!!). Side effects just depend on the chemos used and your own body. You'll figure it out in the first couple rounds. I think taking first week off the first time is a safe bet just to see how it goes. Some ladies in the June group go back to work just a couple days after, it all depends.

    My tips for ladies on Taxotere/Carbo (and herceptin/perjeta)....(and actually for any chemo, but I can really only legit speak to my TCHP experience)

    - Ask your MO what your pre-meds are - they give you these for an hour before infusion. Benadryl is good to have to help prevent a reaction from the Taxotere, and they usually give Dexamethasone (a steroid) to help with that too. Plus any number of anti-nausea meds - you'll prob need it with this mix. Also ask about which anti-nausea meds they'll prescribe for you to take from home. I find it best to take round the clock the first 3 days at least to prevent bad nausea (but I'm prone to nausea and hate it...)

    - Let me know if you're interested in what kind of supplements to take on TCHP - I'm not a doctor so won't officially recommend anything but can share what my Naturopath Doctor and MO agreed I should take (highly recommend seeing a naturopath!!!) to help manage side effects and protect my heart while on Herceptin

    - Check out the chemo checklist that's on these discussion boards - I found it super useful in preparing what things to get while on chemo!!

    - Try to ice hands/feet during chemo (with taxanes - Taxotere and Taxol) - I swear that's helped me prevent neuropathy. And I take L-glutamine which helps a TON and helps with tummy too. I don't know of a good reason not to ice in infusion room, I'd push back on Onc about that!

    - Watch out for constipation - be proactive about it (Colace helps a lot!!). and if you're on Perjeta, diarrhea is likely to come somewhere between days 3-7. Stay hydrated and go in for fluids if you need to!!

    - Be gentle with mouth - soft toothbrushes, easy foods especially first week. If you get terrible mucositis, ask for a Magic Mouthwash prescription

    - KEEP MOVING - even if it's only laps around your bedroom or upstairs. i get muscle aches and burns and I didn't want to move, but while moving hurts at first it helps with everything so much (as much as I hate it in the moment sometimes...). Maybe a 5 mile hike isn't feasible - know your limits, but moving around the house, walking around the block, gentle exercises, etc. for 15 mins a day at least is important. Get a family member or friend to hold you accountable if needed!

    I'll be having my second infusion tomorrow and am very out of it for several days - will check back later this week! Best of luck to everyone!

  • Meow0369
    Meow0369 Member Posts: 156
    edited July 2016

    DistrictGirl Thankyou for all the info!! I start 7/21 I got Arctic Coldcaps and hope it goes well. Everything was included and cheaper. I didn't hve time to get supplies. I'm looking into icing hands/ feet. What did you use??What are good options to take for food/snacks during treatments?

  • Isaiah41-13
    Isaiah41-13 Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2016

    Hi to all of you! I have been lurking here since my first biopsy in May. Today is my first day posting. That may have something to do with it being 2am and not being able to sleep. Before chemo I always dropped off about as soon as my head touched the pillow. The last two nights I just stay wide awake. I plan to go back to work next week, so I need to find some magic remedy to get back to sleeping!

    In June I had bilateral mastectomy with beginning reconstruction. On July 15 I had my first T&C chemo. Every three weeks for 12 weeks. It wasn't nearly as bad as I had expected! The second day was better but the third day I hit rock bottom and wanted to quit. I felt so bad. But the next day was better again. Yesterday I started getting itchy sores on my scalp. I have read that can happen when it gets close to your hair starting to fall, but it's only been one week! My mouth is all white and yucky. I started using Biotine in hopes of helping that. I have blood work done Friday so maybe I will find out something to help me then.

    I have read that smaller doses of Chemo done more frequently can lower the side effects. Has anyone else heard anything about that? I am also looking into the gloves and slippers that aresupposed to help prevent neuropathy.

    DistrictGirl - I am interested in what supplements your naturopath recommended. I will have to check and see if my insurance covers naturopaths.

  • ResoluteinAtl
    ResoluteinAtl Member Posts: 10
    edited July 2016

    I'm starting A/C chemo tomorrow. Does anyone have advice on when to start the anti nausea medicine (immediately, that night???), and should I wake myself in the middle of the night to take prochlorperazine, which says take every four to six hours?

  • deevee903
    deevee903 Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2016

    Hi ResoluteinA

    Good luck tomorrow. I'm certain you'll do great. I only have had 1 treatment so far, but I only experienced a little nausea but it was several days later. In my opinion, you wont need it that night. They gave me all sorts of IV anti-nausea meds so you will probably get that too so you should be good. Try to sleep and most importantly, drink. Let us know how it goes.

  • JenniGirl
    JenniGirl Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2016

    Hi everybody. I feel a little like a poser joining in an established group so late in the month, but there isn't an August group active and I guess end of July is still July!

    I was diagnosed with oligometastatic high grade IDC earlier this month and start neoadjuvant chemo (Adriamycin/Cytoxan) next week. Thanks to everyone who has shared your experiences and giving us newbies some ideas about what we might expect.

    My question today is....I had my port placed 2 days ago and am in such pain at the site. I went for a walk today and every step jostled and pulled at it. Can anyone give me an idea of how long the port insertion takes to heal and stop hurting?

    Thanks in advance!

  • xxyzed
    xxyzed Member Posts: 230
    edited July 2016

    Hi JenniGirl - at 2 days after port insertion I was still taking parecetamol for a general bruised feeling but didn't feel any jostling or pulling. I started my chemo 2 days after insertion. It was A few days later that I had a really sore neck like a strained muscle that went away after a few days and then had a really sore shoulder joint right next to where the port was put in that also lasted a few days.I thought it was my body not liking the port upsetting it's normal equilibrium but it could have been after effects of the chemo as well. I'm 2 weeks later and the port just feels like part of me now.

  • yodez75
    yodez75 Member Posts: 35
    edited July 2016

    Hi all!

    I started chemo yesterday. AC every other week for 8 weeks then Taxol for 12 weeks with Carboplatin thrown in every 3rd week. I was ok for the first few hours then the nausea set in. Didn't think the Zofran would help since the nausea wasn't that bad and they had given me nausea meds before chemo...boy was I wrong! Take the Zofran! I've had some mild fatigue, but nothing bad. Best of luck to everyone! We're all strong women,

  • Jghager313
    Jghager313 Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2016

    I had my first round 7/18. I'm scheduled for 1 every 2 weeks for the combo then 1 every 2 weeks for single dose. Will have to look at my Rx sheet to see what the names are again. So far so good. Still working and only minor side effects.

    Thanks for setting up July chemo warriors thread. It will be nice to chat with y'all, since we'll all be pretty much in the same boat.

  • Jghager313
    Jghager313 Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2016

    districtgirl, I'm interested in what your naturopath recommended as supplements.

    I don't like to take meds so the 4 anti-nausea meds my doc prescribed are a bit intimidating. I like to try a more natural route (i.e. Essential oils) Any suggestions?

    Has anyone tried peppermint essential oil for hair growth? I read somewhere it's suppose to help with hair growth but to use only a drop.

  • nbarkach
    nbarkach Member Posts: 16
    edited July 2016

    I would like to join this group but I can not find it:(

  • xxyzed
    xxyzed Member Posts: 230
    edited July 2016

    nbarkach - I'm not sure what you're trying to find. Just add this to your favourite topics and it will tell you when there are new messages. If you fill in your diagnosis and treatment details and make it public it is easier for people to remember where you are up to in treatment. Welcome to the group. Feel free to post with whatever you are up to

  • yodez75
    yodez75 Member Posts: 35
    edited July 2016

    Anyone have suggestions for consuming more fluids? I'm struggling with just about everything, but especially water. I've tried it ice cold and room temp with no luck. Makes me naseuos either way. I had to suck on ice chips during chemo treatment and the thought of ice makes me gag. Apple juice has been ok in moderation. I'm not a tea drinker, couldn't stand the smell or taste even before chemo. I'm willing to try just about anything!

  • deevee903
    deevee903 Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2016

    Hi yodez75.....I can so relate. I'm in that same boat. Water is gross now!

    So far Ive eaten two whole watermelons......lol. They still taste good to me and very hydrating. Hopefully I wont get sick of them. You could try it.

    Oh and I can drink ginger ale. That's about it.

    If you find anything tolerable let me know.
    Dee

  • yodez75
    yodez75 Member Posts: 35
    edited July 2016

    Thanks Dee! I'm going to try some ginger ale and will have my hubby grab a watermelon. I'm willing to try just about anything at this point! If I find something I will let you know!

  • xxyzed
    xxyzed Member Posts: 230
    edited July 2016

    My stomach was a bit sensitive as well. I had a lot of soup in very small servings and coke seemed to settle my stomach when I'm normally not much of a soft drink person. I'm normally a big tea drinker but now don't like the taste so I've swapped to a slice of lemon in a mug of hot water. The instructions from the oncologist were 4 to 5 mouthfuls of fluid every half hour, salty or sweet drinks and to not have mostly water as the body doesn't retain it as well as salty or sweet fluids. I had a few days where my body felt dehydrated no matter how much fluid I gave it. I just kept trying to drink a variety of fluids and eventually it passed

  • Mamaofoandc
    Mamaofoandc Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2016

    I have my echo on Wednesday 7/27, Port placed on 7/28 and start chemotherapy 7/29, AC for 4 rounds every two weeks and 12 weeks of Taxol then hopefully tumor which is on my chest wall will have shrunk enough for surgery. Not sure if it will be a lumpectomy or mastectomy. Should know in a couple of weeks if the chemo is working. If not, off to surgery, trying to take it one day at a time. The whole TNBC freaks me out a bit but trying to be positive that the chemo will do its job. My oncologist chose to not do any scans because I am not having any symptoms and from the US and from touch it doesn't seem that my nodes have been impacted not sure if that is normal to not do the scans.


    Just curious are you given anything for pain after the port is placed

  • HelenWNZ
    HelenWNZ Member Posts: 485
    edited July 2016

    hi everyone all I could handle in the end was my children's cordial. Water was the worst.


  • yodez75
    yodez75 Member Posts: 35
    edited July 2016

    HI HelenWNZ, what is children's cordial?

    My onc switched me from zofran to Phenergan yesterday which seems to be helping much better. Nausea seems better when I'm laying down than sitting or standing.


  • HelenWNZ
    HelenWNZ Member Posts: 485
    edited July 2016

    hi here in New Zealand we have sachets of powder that you just added water to. I make it for the kids to drink and found it ok to drink when everything else failed me. On the education lesson we had someone had said that used to drink gallons of the lime flavour - me personally was ok with orange flavour. Just one of those quirky things I suppose.

    I'm due for round two on Friday and hope I do better this time as I ended up in hospital for 5 nights with neutropenia.

    Take care


  • yodez75
    yodez75 Member Posts: 35
    edited July 2016

    thank you! I think you are talking about Kool aid and crystal light. I'll give those a try. I tried grape crystal light and that wasn't to good. I will try the other flavors too. I received an IV of Emmend before chemo, plus I have zofran and comazine, which r barely helping. Tried some plain baked potato earlier and the results were not good. So, going to try focusing more on drinking fluids right now over eating. Trying to get Boost protein drinks down, so far so good.

  • ResoluteinAtl
    ResoluteinAtl Member Posts: 10
    edited July 2016

    Yodez75, I just got through first chemo treatment - chicken bouillon was a God send; right now I'm experimenting with V8 juice, but the jury is still out on that one.

    I was a total wreck the first treatment. I actually cried which is crazy because I'm normally "tough", it's just the chemo made everything real. It was torture getting the needle in the port, as I'd just had the port installed and a nurse trainee tried to insert the needle first time. Didn't work, so fortunately the supervisor took over. Ugh. I got a special cream for numbing next time. I'll let everyone know if it works. It's day 7 post treatment and I'm a bit surprised I'm still nauseas - don't know if anyone else has experienced the lingering side affects. I've lost some ability to taste already


  • Jghager313
    Jghager313 Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2016

    I have one of those infuser water bottles. I throw a couple strawberries, raspberries or for a refresher try mint and cucumbers. The food stays in the infused thing. I changed the constant water water water thing. Hope this helps.

  • DistrictGirl
    DistrictGirl Member Posts: 50
    edited July 2016

    Jghager313 - sorry for the slow reply here! Below are the supplements recommended by my Naturopath Dr. and approved by my MO - not one size fits all though so definitely talk to your doctors about it!

    To support my heart while on Herceptin:

    • Fish Oil - Omega 3s (I use the lemon-flavored liquid Nordic Naturals) - at least 3000mg - WITH FOOD
    • CoQ10 - 100mg
    • Vitamin E - 800 IU/day

    To help prevent/treat GI side effects from chemo: (note, I have minor IBS so I do the top 3 things every day anyways)

    • DGL tablets (I LOVE the german chocolate flavored ones) - 2 before every meal and as needed for heartburn/indigestion/nausea
    • Digestive enzymes - 1 tablet with each big meal
    • L-glutamine powder (I use Metabolic Maintenance brand) - 3g, 2-3x/day
    • Probiotics (I have Klaire Therbiotic Complete Powder, this is super potent at 100 billion count, whereas I was taking 10B before. going to gradually work this in) - 1/2 tsp 2x/day

    My Naturopath Doctor recommended I mix the L-glutamine with the probiotics with water at least once a day to swish around in my mouth and then swallow so I get a good coating that will help prevent and/or heal mouth sores. Can also put the powders in smoothies

    Other cancer-fighting stuff...

    • Vitamin B (she was very specific about me getting this particular brand - Metabolic Maintenance phosphorylated B-complex) - 1 daily WITH FOOD (can upset tummy)
    • Vitamin D3 along with Vitamin K2 - 4000-10000 IU/day (will depend on my D3 lab results, currently taking 4000)
    • Melatonin - 20mg /day before bed
    • Magnesium - 200mg

    Note - while Curcumin and EGCG (green tea complex) can be great for cancer-fighting, she told me to stop taking them because of my particular chemo cocktail, apparently it wouldn't mix well. Something to keep in mind and explore.

    Miscellaneous...

    • I'm getting my melatonin and magnesium in a formula called Prothrivers Wellness Sleep. It also has Theanine, which my ND described as "Nature's Xanax" - has a calming effect.
    • I switched my allergy meds from Allegra to Claritin since it helps with Neulasta side effects
  • Bird-of-light
    Bird-of-light Member Posts: 167
    edited July 2016

    Ladies,

    I had my third Taxol + Herceptin today. I am icing my hands and feet during Taxol. I haven't lost any hair yet. Anyone on the (T+H) regimen ahead of me? I have experieced stomach cramps, dry skin, eyes, and nose (bloody noses), fatigue, a little diarrhea, insomnia, minor muscle and bone aches and pains. I get out and exercise 3-4 times a week and am trying to get accupuncture weekly. Saturday, I hope to hike 5 miles for a local cancer house fundraiser to a hidden peak. At the top, there will be food, a band, and the youngest girl with breast cancer is speaking. She was 8 years old when she was diagnosed. I plan to be inspired!

    My side effects are manageable, so I hope for those on the same chemo I am, my experience gives you hope. I am afraid of how I will feel about losing my hair, but taking it one day at a time.

    District Girl, thanks for sharing your list of supplements! I'll hit the health food store tomorrow.

    Be good to yourselves! Hugs.

    Bird

  • Marlenelin
    Marlenelin Member Posts: 56
    edited July 2016

    On day ten of my first infusion of AC. I have second infusion on Tuesday. Still nauseated despite zofran and adavan. Worst indigestion I have ever had as well. Not sure I can continue. I don't think my intestinal tract can take 6 6 more weeks of this. Nurse at onco's office is less than helpful. Has a real attitude problem and not supportive.

  • xxyzed
    xxyzed Member Posts: 230
    edited July 2016

    Marlenelin -That is really disappointing that the oncologist office is unhelpful. Can you see your normal doctor for assistance. I was told to get ondansetron 8mg if the maxalon and Ativan weren't good enough. After my 1st AC I only needed the maxalon for the first 6 days and was fine after that. My oncologist was quite clear that there was no need to be vomiting or nauseas with so many options available.

  • Marlenelin
    Marlenelin Member Posts: 56
    edited July 2016

    Im on day 10 post AC first treatment and still nauseas. Going for second treatment in 4 days. Ugh.

  • Marlenelin
    Marlenelin Member Posts: 56
    edited July 2016

    Was taking zolfan as well for the first 6 days. Didn't help much. Yes, very discouraged without support from the onco office. Thinking of switching doctors.

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