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  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited June 2016

    Greetings ladies!

    Page 1000. Oh my. I am so many pages behind. Have a question-hopefully Lago, Fluff, Special, or PBrain can help. Anyone else--please add to. My old MO (not old in age-but old as he moved) did not do tumor markers. My new MO does. He wants to do them after July (guess because that will start my 5th year). He gave me a reason or two-but I am still of the mindset not to do things that cause distress and concern. Need some help ladies. And, I am too lazy to do my own research :).

    Still getting IV iron, had a steroid/chemo induced cataract removed, and to top it all-got a text last week from the (&$&%@&@*@()$) ex-husband from hell. I ignored.

    Much love to this band of beauties.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited June 2016

    If HER2 can come back anywhere in our bodies, why do the doctors only check our breasts? If we have to wait for symptoms of distant reocurrence, won't that be too late?

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2016

    Localized recurrences are treated the same as primary tumors: MOs feel like they need to address them quickly and aggressively because the horse is still in the barn so to speak. Once the horse is out of the barn, MOs focus on achieving stability and not progression in mets. The goal is not to wipe out the cancer but to ensure that the patient can function well with little pain (quality of life). Often, these treatments lead to NED, at least for some period of time. I suppose if you're worried about distant recurrence, you can request an annual PET scan or something. But PET scans involve radiation and produce lots of false positives that lead to more worry and more scans and the like.

  • roziekat
    roziekat Member Posts: 15
    edited June 2016

    What is the best case scenario we can hope for on triple her2neu 3+++.

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited June 2016

    roziecat

    No one steppin up to answer so I will....

    An effective treatment plan which our body is able to knock out of the ballpark and which results in NED!

    Many happy, fulfilled, healthy years surrounded by loving family and friends and a peaceful painfree death in our sleep...

    Susan would probably add a cabana boy or two ..Hi Susan! What did lover boy want from you?

  • HelenWNZ
    HelenWNZ Member Posts: 485
    edited June 2016

    I'm new to this group so don't know anything. Everything I read keeps saying how aggressive this diagnosis is. My surgeon last week said my team are looking at this at a curative basis. The trouble is we need to get the big guns out for treatment and it will be nothing but top shelf. So at 52 with 3 kids 19 15 and 11 I guess I know what I need to do. The trouble is I know what kind of top shelf I'd rather be knocking back

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited June 2016

    Ashla.

    Cabana boys are ALWAYS a given. ALWAYS.

    He wanted me to feel sorry for him. Yep.

  • NicoleIsASurvivor
    NicoleIsASurvivor Member Posts: 21
    edited June 2016

    Hi everyone! Thank u for ur responses! I am trying to find a compassionate Dr. I do not even have a primary Dr anymore, she pretty much did not want to touch me going thru these treatments. The side effects I have from herceptin are pretty much as I was on chemo, but less severe. The ones I'm having a very hard time with are extreme fatigue, muscle and joint pain, and nausea. This is very hard to go thru alone, being a single parent. I don't have anyone helping me, just myself. It's a complete overload. Trying to find a primary Dr, oncologist, and mental health. I've already switched oncologist once...my entire journey has been horrible...even my plastic surgeon left the state and I had to find another one. I'm just at my lowest low and feel the only way I'm going to get help is from myself. I'm so tired of struggling and being sick. I want my life bk and to feel good.

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited June 2016

    Babygurlwarren

    Sorry to hear you're still having a hard time finding a healthcare team. Maybe someone in this forum can help you. What state are you in? Which cities are within reasonable drives?

    I was fortunate that most of my Herceptin only infusions were uneventful but that is how I discovered that the length of your infusions can make a huge difference. I was having one of my last 4or 5infusions when a nurse I had never met told me that since I had never had any problems that we might as well speed it up.

    She infused it over 1/2 hour instead of my normal 90 minutes. Well I was knocked for a loop. I don't even know how I got home that day. And it took weeks to recover..a total physical, psychological meltdown. Was walking around in tears.

    If you are getting short infusions tell them to stretch them out. Those of us who've had trouble with the short infusion time have almost universally been met with skepticism by the nurses and even some doctors so you'll have to be forceful. It makes a huge difference to some of us.

    How many more infusions do you have left?


  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited June 2016

    HelenWNZ

    Welcome Helen!

    The bad news is that it is an aggressive cancer but the great news is that we've got lots of weapons that work really well in treating it. The standard of care is different in every country but here in the USA they are doing a lot of neoadjuvant ( treatments prior to surgery) treatments. From ElaineThere "The two most common regimens given neoadjuvantly for triple positive are Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin, Perjeta or Adriamycin + Cytoxan and then Taxol+ Herceptin + Perjeta." these are also given adjuvant ly here.

    Lots of very smart ladies here to help...ask away....

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited June 2016

    SusanHG123

    Oh that makes sense.. He's the one that needs sympathy. New wife actually expects stuff from him?

    Seriously...how you feeling? Any improvement?

    I've had a he k of a time with the AI's! It was getting dangerous so now I'm on tamoxifen every other day. Still hurting but I can have some quality of life. My body needs estrogen. It's really making that clear.....


  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2016

    SusanHG123 I'm still trying to catch up here so this might have already been answered. My MO doesn't do tumor markers for non metastatic. She feels they are unreliable. Think of it this way. We have cancer cells and abnormal cells in our bodies all the time. But our system usually takes care of them and they don't grow up to be dangerous tumors. Tumor markers can't distinguish which of these cells, if any will be come bad boys and set shop up somewhere and become dangerous tumor.

    HelenWNZ find out about your treatment options, side effects and of course statistics for you at your age with your diagnosis. August 31st I will be 6 years NED! I did the treatments but they have a few better things now. Stage IIIC you want to fight this hard. Being triple positive you have a lot of guns to fight it too. Lots of reasons to believe you can. My neighbor was diagnosed with triple positive stage IIIB or IIIC just a few months after I was diagnosed. She too is doing well. I do believe she will be on what I call the ESDs (estrogen sucking drugs) for at least 10 years.


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2016

    HelenWNZ,

    Once you're stage III (and I was IIIA) HER2+ cancer is a marathon not a sprint. You had your surgery; that's step 1. Then, there will be chemo + targeted therapy (Herceptin for sure, maybe Perjeta), then radiation + targeted therapy (Herceptin), and then hormonal therapy for 5 -- 10 years. I thought I'd never finish active treatment (finished my last Herceptin in December 2015), and now I feel like I'll be on hormonal therapy forever. But, I've already done one year and three months, so...... You just have to take it one step at a time, and sooner (or later) it will be done. They say that 70% of life is just showing up. For me, 70% of cancer treatment has just been keeping my appointments!

    Best wishes to you!

  • HelenWNZ
    HelenWNZ Member Posts: 485
    edited June 2016

    Thanks for the welcome everything you have said is exactly the plan that I have been told will be happening to me. I just want to get started now as my nodes were so affected I just know there is plenty of mopping up that needs to be done.

    But it is what it is and at 52 with my youngest just turning 11 last week I fully intend to give this my best shot

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2016

    HelenWNZ,

    Yes, keep your eyes on the prize (watching your children grow up!). I have 13 year old twins with autism, and I want to help them achieve productive adulthood. If I can help them live up to their fullest potential, I will have achieved my goal as a parent. And yup, it is what it is. We can't always change what is happening in our bodies, but we can change our response to cancer. Many hugs and prayers.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2016

    HelenWNZ you will be surprised on what you can do. I just finished 5 years on the ESD (estrogen sucking drug/hormone therapy)

  • NicoleIsASurvivor
    NicoleIsASurvivor Member Posts: 21
    edited June 2016

    Thank u so much!! I live near columbia, SC. I currently go to South Carolina oncology. I'm desperately looking for a different oncologist and primary care Dr. I'm on Medicaid, so I'm thinking that's why I'm not getting the treatment I need or should be getting. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I hope everyone is doing good and God bless you all!!!

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited June 2016

    Babygurlwarren

    Let's see if someone from your area pops up. Can't think of anyone offhand.

    But... In the meantime you can contact the American Cancer Society and any breast cancer advocacy groups like Komen, Race for the Cure etc. Leaving out all politics an organization like Planned ParentHood that specializes in women's healthcare in under served areas and does lots of breast cancer screening might be able to point you in the right direction.

    All the best....

  • NicoleIsASurvivor
    NicoleIsASurvivor Member Posts: 21
    edited June 2016

    ashla - Thank u so very much and I certainly will. I've contacted a few of them, just waiting to hear bk from a few and from a couple of local survivors. Thank u again and God bless!!!

  • wam
    wam Member Posts: 168
    edited June 2016

    HelenWNZ, welcome to our club! I have a similar diagnosis. 3c and triple positive. The ladies here are teaching me to live with hope. There are many survivors out there. We get everything but the kitchen sink thrown at us. I know the aggressive treatment kills even distant cells. We are survivors! You will meet many women on these boards with more nodes positive than you had who are living large!!!

  • HelenWNZ
    HelenWNZ Member Posts: 485
    edited June 2016

    Thanks for the positive thoughts Fraidycat - it is hard when you go from being somewhat healthy for your age, clear mammograms on 21 August 2015 to this. The aggressiveness of the whole situation has left me reeling and that's what I am finding hard to come to terms with.

    I had a CT scan on 17 May before surgery on 31 May and there was in those few days even more spread. The surgeon said he just kept feeling more and more nodes and of course because I'm so lucky they had also spread.

    At the CT stage there was no distant spread and I just have to live with that still being the case.

    Currently I'm celebrating my drain has gone and now wait for Chemo to start - bring it on the sooner the better.

    I have found great support from friends and family and my work has been amazing too - six months paid leave so one less thing to worry about.

    Take care every one

  • JenPam
    JenPam Member Posts: 176
    edited June 2016

    Hi Helen! Another IIIC triple positive here with many positive nodes (22/25). I'm 46 with 4 kids, the youngest of whom turns 18 in a couple of weeks (i.e., empty nest in the fall!). My 21-year-old daughter spent a semester in New Zealand last year; she was in Palmerston North. You live in a lovely place!

    I was diagnosed a year ago as of Saturday. My path was bilateral mastectomy, followed by 4 infusions of Adriamycin & Cytoxan every 2 weeks, followed by 4 infusions of Taxotere & Herceptin & Perjeta every 3 weeks--and Herceptin continuing every 3 weeks until September 2016, followed by 6.5 weeks of daily radiation to my left chest wall and lymph nodes, followed by daily Femara hormonal medication to be taken for 10 years if all goes well. :D

    Note #1: I had daily Neupogen shots for 1 week following every infusion.

    Note #2: I was lucky to be given Perjeta adjuvantly, which is not the typical administration. In fact, I was the first patient in my Kaiser center to be given Perjeta in that fashion. Yay! Here's hoping.

    Note #3: I've chosen not to have reconstruction done and "live flat."

    So that's my path. I wish you lots of luck! I know you'll find support here on the board.

  • DurhamGirl
    DurhamGirl Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2016

    Hi everyone! I've been reading and lurking a lot, not posting mostly because we've been so busy with end of school year stuff with the kids and multiple house guests.

    Anyway, I am trying to decide whether to stay on Tamoxifen, or try the ovarian suppression injection + Aromasin starting next week. I am pre-menopausal (44 yrs old) and have been on Tamoxifen for about 2 months. No major side effects--overall dryness (everywhere) is my chief complaint but even that is pretty manageable. The increased risk of endometrial cancer with Tamoxifen is scary to me, as my mom had endometrial cancer, although my MO says that her cancer doesn't increase my risk. But stuff I have read about the side effects of Aromasin are equally disturbing.

    If anyone has any insights into how to make this choice and/or any experiences (positive or negative) with Aromasin they would like to share, that would be helpful!

    Thanks so much!


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited June 2016

    Hi!

    I've been doing OS + Aromasin since February 2015. It's OK. I do get hot flashes, but their intensity has decreased the longer I've been on this regimen. Aromasin did make me feel moody, but not since I've been on Celexa. I feel very fortunate to be tolerating this regimen as many ladies do have joint pain and the like. I do feel a little creaky after I've been sitting for awhile. I might look into one of those desks for work where you stand up on the job (my secretary has one). In any case, once I start moving around, the creakiness goes away. Swimming also keeps me limber. Best of luck to you!

  • Musosgirl
    Musosgirl Member Posts: 387
    edited June 2016
    So, my GYN was very adament Lupron not be used for more than 6 months. I had told my MO that I wanted to make the OS decsion with my GYN and he was okay with that, although my MO was set to start Lupron 2 weeks ago. My GYN came in today and immediately said we will schedule an ooph. He wanted to leave my uterus until we talked about Tamoxifen and he decided for my peace of mind to just take it out as well. I thought it would be long discussion about pros and cons, but no. He was sure Lupron should not be used for long and in my case the hysterectomy was called for. That is what I love about him--he is SO knowledgeable in his area of expertise and makes quick, effective decisions. It was what sold me on him as my OB years ago. But I still felt a little shell-shocked, and cried all the way home.

    So now I will have 2 surgeries in July--breast reduction on the left side for symmetry and a full hysterectomy--probably only a week apart.

    What is the longest some of you ladies have been on lupron? Kate, why did you and your MO decide on Zoladex? Has anyone else been told OS is not a long term solution?
  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2016

    I have a friend who has been on Lupron for at least 2 years maybe 3.


  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited June 2016

    My MO doesn't like to do Lupron so I did Zoladex. I was told they don't like to give the shots long term but I'm pretty sure she meant more than a few years not a few months. Six months isn't very long especially since those shots are given every three months. I did an ooph but chose to keep my uterus. It's personal preference. I may have chosen to remove my uterus if I knew I was going to be on Tamoxifen long term.

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited June 2016

    My MO likes to take things slowly. I've been on tamoxifen for almost four months with few SEs (mood swings, hot flashes); we're going to add the Zoladex next week to see what happens (she predicts more hot flashes, yay me), but I'll stay on tamoxifen at least until the end of the year.

    She does this to increase compliance. If we do everything at once (OS + AI), I'm statistically less likely to complete the course of treatment. I respect this immensely about her.

    I asked about Lupron, but she prefers Zoladex. She said that Zoladex is standard; we'd be using Lupron off-label, and my insurance company (an HMO) doesn't like off-label use. Since they paid for adjuvant Perjeta, among other things, I'm not complaining. A friend of mine is on Zoladex and hasn't had any major problems with it.

    That said, I'm probably not going to go the AI route. I care too much about bone health, osteoporosis runs in my family, and I'm over it with SEs of all kinds from various kinds of treatments (I'm looking at you, TCHP and chest-wall rads). So I'll likely stay on tamoxifen, with the Zoladex, for the duration. I'm under the impression that they'll test my estrogen levels in a couple of years to see if we've tricked my ovaries into shutting down permanently. I may have this wrong; I'll ask my MO when I see her in July.

  • Musosgirl
    Musosgirl Member Posts: 387
    edited June 2016
    Kate, I just found out yesterday Lupron is off-label use for breast cancer! I cannot express how much I HATE taking medication. (And I am horrible at remembering.). I asked about Zoladex but the PA told me my MO prefers Lupron. I get to talk with him next Wednesday, so we'll see what he says then. I hope to avoid a Lupron shot for the next 5 1/2 weeks and stay on Tamoxifen for the duration as well, even with the hysterectomy.
  • Bird-of-light
    Bird-of-light Member Posts: 167
    edited June 2016

    Hi Ladies,

    I have been away for a month due to an oophorectomy and my BMX. I recovered well from surgery#1, but after my BMX, I stopped breathing, had no pulse, and needed a blood transfusion. I received a sternum rub, which increased my pain level to 10+++. I was on my way to the restroom and woke up with 16 medics resuscitating me. My husband said I was found grey as a ghost on the floor. I am now working on building my blood and getting this anemia behind me. The good news is that my nodes are clear! However, it's been a roller coaster. The first pathology report showed no evidence of cancer. Of course I panicked thinking I lost two breasts for nothing. The BS requested a second analysis, which found the tumor. I'd share more, but need a nap. - Bird

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