the wire placement before the surgery

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  • geebung
    geebung Member Posts: 1,851
    edited May 2010

    I can't imagine having this procedure done without an anaesthetic! It was bad enough with one! If I had my time over again I would have insisted on valium or similar. If I'm really honest, the pain was bearable but having to sit still for nearly an hour, not moving and have the wires driven into my breast was just horrible. The technician and doctor who did it were wonderful and supportive but out of all the procedures (fine needle biopsy, lumpectomy, injection of dye for SNB and then mastecomy, this was the worst - by far! After I was finally released from the grip of the mammogram and the wires had been inserted, I was shaking and crying. I normally have a reasonable pain threshold. This is an easy procedure for many women but not for me.

  • Char2010
    Char2010 Member Posts: 532
    edited May 2010

    maryvanessa1:  My breast was numbed while they inserted the wire - did not feel a thing.  I did not watch the ultrasound monitor while they were doing it (did not want to freak myself out) and did not look at the wires while I waited for the surgery.  Did not have any pain when they injected the radioactive dye for the SNB either.  I was under "twilight" anesthesia while the surgeon did the SNB and the lumpectomy.  Did "wake-up" during the procedure but felt no pain and now do not even remember what was going on - just remember that I was aware that they were doing "stuff".  Don't even remember now that the surgeon came and talked to me afterwards.

  • Char2010
    Char2010 Member Posts: 532
    edited May 2010

    Forgot to mention that they do a mammogram after the wire is inserted to make sure that "evrything is in place" properly.  Was very nervous about this part but it was OK.  The mammogram technician was wonderful and it did not hurt.  So I know many of the ladies have a very tough time with these procedures but many do OK.  You need to go into this informed but assuming the best - and maybe a little "drugged" :-)

  • rejis456
    rejis456 Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2010

    Hi Maryvanessa1,

     I am scheduled for June 2.  I am learning so much on these pages.  I never even considered that they would not use a local when inserting the wire.  Now I am going to ask!

  • candie1971
    candie1971 Member Posts: 4,820
    edited May 2010

    Well, my surgeon did my wires while I was asleep. The SNB dye was horrible..they said the area couldn't be numbed.

  • Dazdnfused
    Dazdnfused Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Hi all-

    On the day of my lumpectomy, I had to have two wire localizations performed-one for the DCIS under mammogram, then one for the small IDC under MRI.  My team was great.  The DCIS wire was done with a local, took about 45 minutes in all.  The MRI was a different story.  I have a really bad neck (degenerative discs) and cannot lie comfortably on my stomach with my arms overhead without substantial pain.  I learned this the hard way when I had my diagnostic MRI without pain med and almost passed out from the pain.  It took about 45 minutes.  Therefore I asked my surgeon for a darvocette for the MRI wire insert; it was still tough but tolerable.  The MRI wire insert took about 1 hour, and my tumor was really close to my chest wall, but...they got it with clean margins thanks to the MRI.

    IMHO the more you are able to hold still for these procedures the better.  I can't imagine why a radiologist wouldn't allow numbing to get the patient as comfortable as possible.  Seems counterproductive.  After the two wire inserts on that day, the SNB injections didn't seem too bad...but I had the darvocette in me at the time, so maybe that was why it didn't hurt so much.

    Whew...just writing about it brings back some wild memories! It's worth it to get all the tumor/area clean however.

  • retrievermom
    retrievermom Member Posts: 522
    edited February 2011

    I told the radiologist I had not had enough lydocaine before the stereotactic biopsy (I had significant pain and ended up with a giant hematoma from that), so he made sure I had enough prior to the wire insertion.  No pain.  Then he went with a really small needle to inject the dye.  Once again, no pain.  Two wires, actually.  They rolled me down to the surgical area, because I did feel a bit dazed and didn't want to fall.  I chatted through the whole thing.  Found out the radiologist lives near me and told him I would egg his house if it hurt.

  • maryvanessa1
    maryvanessa1 Member Posts: 31
    edited May 2010

    thankyou retrievemom and you made me laugh.  Thank all of you  who replied.  I have a very low threshold for pain

    so i already told the surgeons office i want to be completely numbed, they said that is not a problem.  I am going for the surgery june 3,  wish it was over already.  Had the sterotactic biopsy

    and felt nothing at all. If its the same as that, I will be ok.  Thanks for all your support, it is very much needed right now.

    sincerely,  maryvanessa 

  • tovahsmom
    tovahsmom Member Posts: 196
    edited May 2010

    Maryvanessa,

    I see you are in Queens. Are you having your procedure done in Manhattan?

  • maryvanessa1
    maryvanessa1 Member Posts: 31
    edited May 2010

     Yes, i am having procedure done at st. vincents comprehensive breast center in nyc.

    ST vincents  hospital has closed but the breast center will remain and beth israel is supposed to be

    taking it over.  My surgeon,  christopher mills,  is rated the top surgeon in NY mag several times as well

    as the connelly editon of best drs.  He spent an hour with me when he met me, and is kind and compassionate.  He also did a double masc. on a friend of a family member years ago, and she said he saved her life.  SHe still sees him even though she lives in ariz. now.   

    If i have to get rads, which i probably will, i did find a radiologist oncologist in forest hills,

    who was recently written up in NY mag as the best.  I live in kew gardens, so that is not

    too far for me.   Just want to get thru the surgery on june 3.  KInd of afraid of the post op visit

    on june 11 but he said he doesnt expect to see any unexpected surprises and that it will

    be an uncomplicated surgery.  he should know hes been doing this for 30 years.

    maryv. 

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited May 2010

    Ok.....I have a really low pain threshold, and while this hurt, it was not the end of the world. To be honest the worst pain was in my shoulder from holding my arm up over my head.

    I did have the local though, and needed a second local because it took a long time.

    They were running late, so I did not have to wait too long for surgery. If I had to sit there for many hours with the wire it might have freaked me out.

    Also a lot of people say the tracer for the snb is awful, for me it was really not that bad, go figure.

  • maryvanessa1
    maryvanessa1 Member Posts: 31
    edited June 2010

    hi everyone, just had my surgery yesterday,  wire insertion was doable...they gave me novocaine

    didnt feel it going in, but they had to take mammos after it, and you all know whats its like

    to have your breast crushed.  That part was very annoying.  my breast was sore and burning

    after the surgery but took 2 extra strength tylonel and was fine,  woke up this morning with

    a little soreness.  They did find a teeny cluster of calc.  on their mammo that had not shown up

    on the orig. mammo due to fact that it was not a digital mammography.. so to let everyone

    know,  please get your mammos on a digital machine.  I was upset but very happy

    they found it yesterday and the surgeon was able to remove the area as well.  

    all in all the surgeon said he was very pleased he got everything out.   Will know more

    on my post op visit with him on june 11.

    Good luck to all of you and thank  you all for your support and replies.

    sincerely,  maryvanessa 

  • Theresa1
    Theresa1 Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2014

    Hello All; I am a Family NP and I was just diagnosed with Stage 0, DCIS and had a wire placement prior to my surgery. I was quite upset about it, but I took the first Ativan of my life 30 minutes prior to my procedure. The breast specialist performed the procedure under visualization Mammography, using local anesthesia she numbed the skin, waited a few minutes and went deeper with more anesthesia. I sat on a stool with my breast on the mammography platform. After the breast was adequately numb she placed the wire and under direct visualization, she pulled back and re-placed the wire until it was in position to allow the surgeon to locate the area of surgery. I feel that it was a lot more comfortable than the breast biopsy and taking the Ativan 1 mg. really was helpful. You should work with whomever is doing the procedure and try to place your mind somewhere else. I closed my eyes and dreamed that I was revisiting a beautiful waterfall in Hawaii.

  • Justbreathe81
    Justbreathe81 Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2016

    Wire Localization Gone Awry: I had a lumpectomy last Monday May 8 and wonder if anyone has had this experience: the wire did NOT stay where it was placed and the my BS had to try three times to get the titanium marker out that was placed after the stereotactic needle biopsy. I spoke to the radiologist afterwards who placed the wire and she does not know why this happened. She said it used to happen a lot before they put a hook on the end of the wire. I felt her tug it to be sure it was in place, she took a mammo of it before taping it and she saw that it was placed correctly, and I went down to surgery. The BS said she had to call the radiologist during surgery. The BS said in 20 years this had only happened to her once before. What was supposed to be a tiny incision on a very small woman and breast ended up being a much larger area with a long incision. Disappointing!

  • I_Spy
    I_Spy Member Posts: 507
    edited May 2016

    Justbreathe I would start a new thread on this.... but no, that didn't happen to me. How awful! Sorry you had that happen!

  • have2laugh
    have2laugh Member Posts: 132
    edited May 2016

    For me wire placement was a piece of cake. Numbed locally for sentinel node and wire placement and was over before I knew it. I was more nervous about this than anything and was pleasantly surprised how easy this part was. The wire was tape to chest covered with gauze and then headed another 30 minutes to hospital. Because of insurance wire placement done one place and surgery done at hospital two hours later. Only thing that was awkward and a little uncomfortable was mammogram to check wire placement otherwise was ok getting in car to go to hospital and waiting for surgery. Good luck!

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