Delaying radiation therapy for Stage 0 ups recurrence

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/1604...

Delaying radiation therapy for women with very early breast cancer ups recurrence

Delays more common among women in study who were black, unmarried, on Medicaid or diagnosed with larger abnormalities.

Delaying radiation therapy too long after surgery significantly increases the risk of recurrent tumors in women treated for very early, or what is referred to as 'stage 0,' breast cancer, according to new research.

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited May 2016

    I just saw this report on probably the same research and thought I'd add it here.

    https://siteman.wustl.edu/delaying-radiation-thera...


  • Bounce
    Bounce Member Posts: 574
    edited May 2016

    Sadly, I am not very good at math and even worse at statistics.

    If:

    "During the average six years of follow-up, 3.1 percent of women developed a recurrence of DCIS or an invasive tumor in the same breast. For women who received radiation within eight weeks, the rate of recurrence was 2.5 percent. After adjusting for age, race, pathological factors, surgical margin status and hormone therapy, the risk of breast cancer recurrence was 26 percent higher for women who had delayed radiation therapy and 35 percent higher for women who did not initially receive radiation."

    The difference between 3.1 and 2.5 doesn't seem that big to me. And how on earth do you "adjust" for age, race, pathological factors etc? It seems like educated guessing to me.

    I see these studies and others and despair of being able to understand and evaluate them myself.

    This is not a complaint for posting them - my thanks to cp418 and to dlb823. I just get frustrated that I can't trust what I am reading at face value.


  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited May 2016

    Interesting point, Bounce. Math is not my strong suit, but I just did the extensions, and it looks like of the 3161 who had RT on time, there were 79 recurrences, while in the combined 2755 who either had delayed RT (1053) or no RT (1702), there would have been 85 recurrences -- so maybe more like a 10% difference, which is well worth knowing, but certainly not the 26% and 35% thrown out as relative comparisons.


  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited May 2016

    Bounce, I agree, the difference does not sound like much, only .6%. I think it would have been more helpful if they had specified the recurrence rates for each of the three groups rather than use percentages. 26% and 35% sounds like a lot, but when you are dealing with low numbers, it may not be much.

    3.1% was the average of everyone: those who got timely radiation, those who got delayed radiation, and those who got none. So, 26% higher is a 3.9% rate of recurrence for those getting delayed radiation, and 35% higher is 4.18% recurrence rate for those getting none. (If I did my math right, and there's a 50-50 chance of that....)

    Another thing I think they should have said was what kind of recurrences the patients had. Was it DCIS again, or IDC, or some of both? Was there any difference in the type of recurrence based on having radiation? And were they all local or were there any distant recurrences?

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited May 2016

    I was right, I got it wrong! Thanks for putting out the numbers dlb823. Yes, looking at those, 3.1% was the average recurrence rate for both the women who had delayed and no radiation at all. When you look at a 6 person recurrence difference between the two populations (timely radiation and delayed/no radiation) it really doesn't seem like much. Yet percentage-wise it sounded huge!

    This really seems like one of those times that math can be used to create a distorted picture (and I say that not just because I'm bad at it). Honestly, a .6% absolute risk reduction for recurrence coming from radiation indicates it's not doing much good. That's a lot of women who are having it who aren't benefiting, and may even be harmed by it.

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