POLITICAL JUNKIES

Good Morning,

I attended the Gala last night so for the most part I missed most of the debate. Although I attended in my pj's on and with remote in hand rather than a glass of wine. Caught most of debate onTV this am. BTW- I watch CNN, Fox, and MSNBC equally.

Now remember everyone, I am not a Liberal so my views are of my opinion- Not quoted from any website, may not be at all politically correct, and they are not written to make anyone feel inferior as you support your candidate.

I find that BS share some views with Mr Trump. Cannot be denied.

1. They are both angry

2. Super Pacs

3. Rebuilding Infrastructure

4. Fair Trade

5. Social Security

I obviously have a dislike more of HRC than I do BS. BS comes across to me as someone who truly believes in what he says. I like him- not to mention what a HUGE following he has. I enjoy listening to his antiTrump hecklers are interviewed as to why they are antiTrump. So I have said everything possible that I can say in a positive way regarding both candidates. Oh, I didn't mention HRC... refer to previous sentence.

Some new polls out yesterday, I enjoy them as much as I do as the antiTrump Feel the Bern supporters interviews. Although some truth in the polls- we have a long way to November so they mean little right now. Although if BS beats HRC in NY... that will be HUGE.

Carol

Edited on purpose to add:

6. Huge

Ruth- "Hillary has a depth of knowledge"

Fact Checked... TRUE

Cannot be denied.

suersis, I love your idea of using PAC money for infrastructure!!!! That would provide a HUGE improvement!!! I vote for you!!!!

hydranne, I wasn't advocating for confiscating the PAC money but just dreaming how that level of money could be put to a much better use. I firmly believe in capitalism!

OMG Hydranne, I almost wish you had not told me how easy it was to find the "other" thread. Just reading the last few entries raised my blood pressure by several points! But, it is labeled appropriately for those who feel they are conservatives. If I hear President Obama called "O'Bummer" it gets my goat big time so I will stay out of there. Even lurking is too tempting for me.

Mary, First of all thank you for your kind words. I agree Mr Trump is a little raw on the edges- but maybe that is why I am attracted too him.

I don't know Mr Trump personally, but I knew of his kindness and generosity long before he announced his candidacy last June. A perfect example would be his recent loyalty to Corey Lewandowski. It certainly would have been beneficial for Mr Trump (at time of the announcement of battery charges) to dismiss Corey from his campaign. At the same time, it would have destroyed this mans career, and hurt his family. I look at these on how passion to do the right thing is an attribute , as he would do for our country. It isn't always based on what is best at the time, but what the truth is in the long run.

I can comment on Megyn Kelly because I am a big fan of hers. Not only do I think she is beautiful (no denying there) I think she is a great journalist and I was very disappointed when she asked Mr Trump at the first debate the question on women. I admitted to myself that Rosie O has rubbed many the wrong way, and she rubbed a tad to bit hard when she crashed heads with Mr Trump. He is going to call a spade a spade- I kind of like that- Hey, Megyn and Donald have regrouped.. Sounds like neither of them are holding a grudge.

I can also comment on Marco Rubio. GOP-E ruined him and the little hands, the sweating, the little Marco all that means nothing. I believe Marco is on his short list of veeps (no pun intended)

I can't comment on Ted Cruz because I am not a fan of Ted right now, but I know enough to be careful of my opinion here in this group of him because I DO NOT count him out as veep either for Mr. Trump. Much written on Reagan/Bush and Kennedy/LBJ- I can't count the times I have giggled over "He holds the bible high, and sets it down and lies lies lies..."

Last but not least- He has proven what great values he has installed in all of his children. Ivanka, is enough proof for me on how he treats women.

Carol

Edited: My new apple macbook is a PITA. It jumps all over the place. They will be better when they are made in the USA.

Ha! Make sure you bring your birth certificate along in case you get carded at the bathroom door.

It's been kind of quiet here!!! I just ran across this article on Slate and wonder what everyone might think of this: What if we gave everyone a guaranteed basic annual income? The article refers mainly to third world countries, but would it work in the US or Canada? Why or why not?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/04/14/universal_basic_income_this_nonprofit_is_about_to_test_it_in_a_big_way.html

suersis, those pro-social activities are some of the strings I referenced. We have an epidemic of RAD kids (reactive attachment disorder). All mothers and fathers need to take their parental responsibilities as seriously as their rights. I believe the slogan "Every mother is a working woman" but doggone it, do the work and raise your children. Don't leave it to others or to chance.

I'm not one who wants lower prices at the expense of American jobs. I always try to buy American, Canadian or UK, France, etc., but it is tough especially where clothing is concerned. I found a scarf for the Broncos/50th Super Bowl the other day that I wanted and it was $20.00 official NFL. Would I have rather paid $5? Sure, but I was willing to pay $20 when I saw it was made in the UK. Tough to even find appliances made in the USA, too, especially small appliances. When my washer went out last year, I spent the extra money it took to buy a Speed Queen, old-fashioned, basic model, without all the bells and wishes. Just a plain ol' agitator washer that gets my clothes clean and is made in Ripon, WI, and I love, love, love it!

I don’t think offshoring is motivated by consumers’ desire to pay less, regardless of what corporations disingenuously say--it’s motivated by the “maximize profits at all costs” mentality of the modern shareholder-dividend/executive-bonus corporate model that began during the “greed is good” era of the late 1980s. It’s not just consumer preference for cheap clothing--there is a scarcity of US-made clothing across the board. NYC’s & L.A.’s garment industries are mere shadows of what they used to be, much of the activity having shifted from cutting & sewing to packaging imported items of clothing; and much of what is actually produced there is made from imported fabric. Moreover, a lot of stuff labeled “Made in USA” is made nowhere near our shores, but in U.S. territories or protectorates licensed under arcane statutes passed at the behest of the industry. And these locations don’t have to comply with wage, hour and working condition laws--much less allow unions. If you don’t believe price tags are the prime motivator for offshoring, I invite you to visit the “Better Sportswear,” “Better Dresses” and full-price lingerie departments of major upscale department stores. Almost all of what you’ll find was made in China, Vietnam, India, Thailand, Honduras and those “territories” with extremely tenuous ties to the U.S. You almost have to buy directly from designers such as Nicole Miller or even custom-made to find clothing completely made in the U.S. (unless you don’t mind wearing Carhartt work shirts and pants to your next formal gala).

As to Clinton's negatives among voters in both parties, there are very different reasons for that. Democrats who don’t like her are upset by her refusal to ban fracking, her corporate donors, a perception that “she’s not liberal enough,” and her long-ago vote to support the Iraq war--a vote that she has since repeatedly regretted and a stance that has long since evolved to reflect opposition to knee-jerk invasions of countries that never attacked us. But ask Republicans why they don’t like her, and their responses will range from “she’s a liberal” to “she’s a liar” to Benghazi and the e-mail server issue, to a hatred since 1992 of all things Clinton. Of all those reasons, only “too liberal” is a legitimate objection on the part of conservatives. She was cleared of any fault in Benghazi, did nothing with her e-mail that predecessors like Colin Powell didn’t do (and every item eventually marked “classified” was NOT classified when she sent and received them. The reflexive conservative Clintonophobia goes back to Rebublican beliefs that the only way a Democrat could win in what they perceived to be a center-right nation (12 years of GOP rule will do that) was by stealing the election.

As to “she’s a liar” (or even “dishonest”) her only verifiable untruth was an exaggeration of having been in danger on the tarmac during a diplomatic mission--comparable in scope to Cruz’ assertion about his daughters’ karaoke activity, which his older daughter refuted on-camera, Ask an anti-Clinton conservative voter for specific instances of “lying” and “dishonesty,” and you’ll either hear crickets, “Benghazi” (despite a nonpartisan commission chaired by a Republican having cleared her), “e-mail” (see above) or “because--insert ‘Donald Trump’ or name of conservative media personality--says so.”

No, of all the reasons for her negatives on both sides of the aisle, the only valid ones speak to voter perceptions of her ideology. And it’s pretty telling that if her ideology is too liberal for conservatives and too conservative for progressives, she must be doing something right. In the law biz, we always found that the best settlements are those in which one party feels is too high and the other one feels inadequate.

Finally, there’s a kernel of truth that both Trump and Sanders appeal to similar types of voters: independents; those who decry the status quo without an adequate understanding of how the Federal gov’t is structured and is supposed to work--and therefore prize “outsider” status over experience and competence; those who feel they have been passed over by “the system” (whether political or financial); and those who perceive a candidate to be just like them and vice versa--they project themselves on to the office. Personally, I don’t want someone "just like me"--I want the smartest, most experienced guy or gal in the room who comes closest to my own ideology.

Thanks RuthBru for that information on the Panama Papers. I agree wholeheartedly with you ChiSandy regarding HRC. Whenever I talk with conservatives, they always talk about HRC being jailed, but can never actually tell me what she should be jailed for. and then either shut down the topic or resort to name-calling once they realize they really have no argument. Yes, it's always Benghazi and her email server. I watched a report on 60 Minutes tonight about German hackers being able to hack into anyone's Smartphone, even doing a test with CA Rep. Ted Lieu. So really Hillary's supposed unsecured server is the least of the government's problems because anyone in the government using a Smartphone can be and may have already been hacked and their "top secret" conversations heard.

Good Morning to all- I hope everyone had a great weekend.

I don't like HRC, I am republican, and I have a long memory.

Her emails were not marked "Classified" equal to "I did not have sex with that woman"- As in "Inserting a cigar in her vagina is not having sex"- Correlation is perfect.

With that being said, I did feel horribly for HRC at the time, make no bones about it.. UNTIL- She claimed it was the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" that was to blame for the insertion of the cigar into her vagina.

The point I am making here is I don't like her, and to be honest, I am not the only one. Her unfavorables are higher than high- Why is that?

You don't like DT? I personally could care less. I do not need to defend him by citing every single reason why our country needs a proven business man to lead the country. I am not here to tell you why you should like him or why I should not- But when it is pointed out that the only reason Republicans don't like HRC is because she IS under FBI investigation is all hog wash. She thinks she is above the law and if she had to redo the private server she would never do it again. Why not? Why change that answer? Why wipe it clean (and not with a cloth)??

She should fair well in NY tomorrow but if BS can upset the polls predictions as they have before... It won't be a vast right wing conspiracy... again? or will it?

My brother's family just got back from spending two weeks in New Zealand, where the people think that the American Electorate has totally lost its mind. I tend to concur. I can feel the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves with the last 8 years when the stated goal of Congress has been obstructionism. This country was founded on compromise!

Maltese, I agree with you but the fact of the matter is most of the obstructionism is coming from the republican party. The POTUS has tried over and over again to get them working together and all he hears back is crickets! They are now obstructing his right to appoint a judge to the SCOTUS for pete's sake. They have no shame. When will it end? Honestly, I am sick of the partisan politics period. Time for new blood in there on both sides.

Edited to add that working together should be the NORM!

Edited to add that maybe WE should take back the Hill (the collective we on this thread) because we seem to understand the issues better than they do. Am I being simplistic? Yes, but I think we would fare better than those holding elected office would at this point.

We just want government to run effectively and be available to all people. Our laws must be in sync with the times and what we need as a society to maintain a decent standard of living.