POLITICAL JUNKIES
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I am neither a politician nor a businesswoman , and there are some overlaps in the required skill sets, but business deals in the private sector are very different than diplomatic deals on the world stage. For the record, I think America is great. What does great again mean
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Great again for me would be that the town I live was not a welfare county in the state. It was not this 8 years ago. Great again for me would to have afordable Heath care like I had before. Great to me would be to have secure boarders where drugs were not brought into the us by scaling a wall. Great to me would be for our veterans to have better health care as well. Great to me would be having a miltary that was so powerful that Isis and the bad asses in the middle east would be afraid to chop anyones head off. We are not home of the free when we have mental health issues that are not addressed and everyone slips through the system. Most importantly is we are a country divided that alone makes it not great.
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While acknowledging many problems in society, problems virtually shared by most free countries in the world, I believe we can work through these things without military dominance and isolationism. As for jobs and the economy, the nation as a whole has a stronger economy and overall lower unemployment than it has had in years. I wish, though I doubt, this will ever be the case for every county in every state and town at any given time. I hope the poorly educated people that Mr. Trump so loves, have an opportunity to get the education they need to succeed in a 21st century economy.
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LovesMaltese, what is interesting to me is that many of us do share some of your concerns--even though we feel different candidates offer the best chance to fix some of these issues. Affordable health care, especially for veterans, an end to drug smuggling, support for those with mental health issues....who could argue with that? Not me!
And there was a point where I was rooting for Joe Biden NOT to run for president solely for the reason that I wanted him to spend all his time on his cancer moonshot.
Meanwhile, I'm obviously biased, but I found this article in New York Magazine really compelling. It's hardly anything new, but it discusses the way that a female candidate is judged differently.... http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/04/bernie-sanders-hil...
12 days and counting 'til the lot of 'em are out of our hair!
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And that is exactly what he meant when he said the poorly educated. It depends of course how you spin it and you were just the perfect example of spinning it.
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Trump's comment about the poorly educated was poorly received because he's publicly bashed and bullied so many people. If I'm looking at Trump and hearing atrocious things coming from him before his "poorly educated" comment, thenwhen he did say it, it wasn'thard to think he was making yet another comment about how superior he was, how easy it is to fool voters especially if they are not educated, that he loves pulling the wool over the eyes of all the dummies. I mean, that's how it comes across because of his personality, not because its being spun that way. He promotes a public image of being superior, so his remark came across as extremely arrogant and turned many off.
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Rainyc I think HRC will be the nominee unless the FBI takes her out. She looks tired and I sometimes wonder why she would put herself through this again and again? To be honest, she's coming off of Obama and deep down she does not even agree with the last 8 years. That's my only hope if she wins, she can back track on some issues she doesn't dare touch now. For one, Islamic Terrorism.
I got a good kick at the Daily News today. The F U train really rained on Ted's parade. July is a long time away. I believe the worst is yet to come from both sides. Hey maybe that could finally pull the American people together. Corrupt America exposed right before our eyes. We will have one person to thank!
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Spin? In that speech he just ticked off a list of the people he loves. Nothing more. No plans, no ideas, no suggestions. I sincerely do hope that he helps all he loves, whether he becomes president or not.
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And my apologies for a bad paraphrasing of what he actually said
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The circus has left town and OMG I pity NY. The machinations of the StopTrump people are amazing. I almost feel sorry for Ted Cruz, their puppet. DH voted for DT to give the finger to the establishment.
Politico had a great article suggesting seven people who have what it takes to follow in the brazen billionaire's footsteps in 2020 (some celebrity, a lot of money, a degree of business sense, a touch of fearlessness and a hilarious shamelessness).The list includes Kanye West, Tom Brady, Martha Stewart, Jenny McCarthy and Hulk Hogan.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/the-next-donald-trumps-213786
They also ponder, did Wisconsin just save the GOP, or destroy it? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/ted-cruz-wisconsin-primary-donald-trump-2016-213796
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Kanye for VP! There has to be some place in the Trump administration for such a splendid human being who is better than almost everyone on earth.
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https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/posts/10156887895245389
I know most of you probably do not watch Sean or Fox (Faux news as It is referred to by some here) but I do watch CNN (Clinton News Network) so I don't miss much!
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"Make America Great Again" is codespeak for both jingoism ("winning" wars, regardless of who started them or whether we even should have been involved....beginning with our stellar record of backing the wrong horse, starting with Dienbienphu in the early '50s: we invariably chose to support the right-wing faction every time simply because it wasn't Communist; even our immigration policy has favored refugees from Communist countries over those fleeing murder and grinding poverty) and nostalgia for the pre-JFK era when white males held pride of place socioeconomically and in terms of civil rights--when women and minorities "knew" our "place." But I long for a return to (if it was ever there) when there was no such thing as "political correctness," but just kindness, consideration, civility, respect for other cultures and orientations. Is anyone else here disturbed by Trump's promise to have everyone saying "Merry Christmas" again instead of "Happy Holidays" by the December after he takes office?
As to his remark "I love the poorly educated," I saw it as a boast that he could always count on the ill-informed and ignorant to come through for him every time. I don't see it as snobbery; in a way, it's a reflection of his own reliance on being fact-free and having been extremely narrowly-educated himself (i.e., business and nothing but). How else to explain his pronouncement that the first cabinet department he'd abolish would be "the Department of Environmental--they're killing us with their regulations?" Yes, he doesn't even know there's no such Cabinet department, nor that the actual name of the non-Cabinet Federal agency is the Environmental Protection Agency. Talk about "poorly educated:" this guy has no idea about the structure and function of government, separation of powers, nor the difference between government, business, and diplomacy. In his narrow view, he believes only in a twisted version of the Golden Rule: he who has the most gold rules; and that it applies universally to every conceivable situation. Do we really want a leader who doesn't know you can't buy or sue your way out of an international crisis?
But I am distressed by the increasing bitterness between the Democratic candidates. Maybe it's born out of the need to distinguish themselves from each other in the voters' eyes, but it can be done by stressing their strong points and superior platforms rather than by cutting each other down, perhaps permanently in the eyes of the supporters of their opponents. Even though both Clinton & Sanders have at last (as of this morning) characterized each other as being "infinitely better" than any of the GOP candidates, the negativity of their rhetoric over the past week or so may have so deeply resonated with their supporters that party unity may be difficult this fall--with results perhaps as disastrous as when Gene McCarthy endorsed Humphrey too tepidly and too late to prevent a Nixon victory in '68. Using terms like "unqualified," despite later backtracking and semantic qualifiers, will provide ammo for whomever the GOP chooses in the general--the GOP will gleefully parrot that term uttered by Sanders--citing Benghazi & e-mail-Gate instead of Sanders' explanation that he was referring solely to Clinton's source of campaign funding (sources used by every other previous candidate for decades, not to mention Republicans) and her having voted for the Iraq war. And if Sanders gets the nom, look for dark-money ads quoting Clinton's skepticism as to his being a Democrat, and then positing the theory "you don't have a Democrat to vote for, so why not vote GOP or stay home?"
Playground name-calling has taken the race on both sides of the aisle to a new low, one that may fracture both parties irreparably and perhaps the nation for decades to come.
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"As to his remark "I love the poorly educated," I saw it as a boast that he could always count on the ill-informed and ignorant to come through for him every time. "
That is exactly how I viewed it. The night after he made that comment, I attended a talk with Ruby Bridges (little girl who was one of the first to integrate the New Orleans public schools. Made famous in a Norman Rockwell painting and by John Steinbeck in Travels With Charlie). I attended with several teacher pals and we agreed to re-commit ourselves to education and teaching critical thinking (an important piece of Common Core).
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Like I said earlier that's the spin you have on it because you do not like or support him. I took it as he loves all levels of educated people and will help with education period Common Core has been a night mere for us. Great great teachers lost their jobs over this. They changed that this year In NYS.
My dad always said " it always depends if you're buying or selling" or seeing the glass half full or empty.
Mr Trump and Mrs Clinton both have low favor ability. I loved what Dr Carson said last night. He said I had high favorable and no votes. Point well said
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As they say, "Perception is everything." Trump's supporters see the remark about the poorly educated one way, his critics see it another way. I don't think he won any new supporters with the comment. -
Certainly not educators! I will also point out, again,that how to implement Common Core was decided by each state that adopted it, not the federal government .
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I think even the term "poorly educated" is up for grabs here. Who exactly are we speaking of? Those who never graduate high school? Those who graduate high school by the skin of their teeth? Those without a master's degree? Those without a doctorate? Or are we talking about people who are not educated in the ways of the world, the ways of business, the ways of politics? If you think about it, it's a very vague term. So no wonder Trump's comment is interpreted differently by everyone.
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Changing the subject!!
I have spent a lot of time trying to educatie myself on a contested convention- besides the fact that you need 1237 but exactly how this works in round one if you don't and what Cruz has been on top of that Trump was not. Maybe I could get permission to sit in on a meeting with Mr. Manafort to get this. 😱 DT will be speaking 3 hours west of us on Sunday. Ibrance cycle has me with 5 days left on Sunday and I already know my butt will be dragging. I would love to go. Long lines, cold weather, and germaphobia Carol has decided it's not a great idea. Maybe he will schedule something a bit closer in the Albany area. Ted was close to here this week. I had absolutely no interest in going.
Also Bill O' opinion was Ted will have Kasich as his VP right before they go to Cleveland. JK says he has no interest as VP to anyone. Mr Nice guy has only that agenda or GOP-e has paid him off to keep DT numbers down. That's my take. I don't like what Kadich is doing and should step down. I still like little Mario better. 😂
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Kayb- I thought we can give opinions here? If so, why slam me for not agreeing with Karyn? I really appreciate Karyn's thoughts but just because you explain something the way you believe or see it does Not make it a correct fact.
Your tone towards me I find offensive.
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Sue!! Well said
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That would be little Marco and Caryn with a C 😊.
At any rate I would say ""poorly educated" is general , however, I would exclude bachelor's degrees or higher . Trump's demographic appeal is with that group (high school diploma and below),
I also would like to nominate myself for secretary of education.
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Kayb I misunderstood that you were referring to Caryn's explanation of common core rather I thought you were referring to what her opinion was on what Trump meant by poorly educated compared to the way I believe it.
I admit I know very little about common core. Only that it is a disaster here and why it has failed and good teachers lost jobs. If it is state run then do I dare say our Liberal run NY is responsible? Just shooting from the hip because I really don't know.
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I would support you Caryn as SOE. #alwaysCaryn !! I'm on I phone and I can't see these little letters. Marco and Caryn- nothing worse than this auto correct.
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Kayb, LovesMaltese and I both live in NY. We're at opposite ends of the political spectrum (me: bleeding heart liberal, Hillary supporter. LovesMaltese: republican and doing a fine job of explaining herself so I won't!), but we've both spoken up about the dreadful Common Core implementation in New York. The reason that it's in part a federal issue is that Common Core may have been adopted by the states, but it was heavily "encouraged" by a whopping amount of federal money in the form of Race to the Top grants, one of Obama's real failures. These grants were tied to charter schools, the linkage of expensive testing to teacher evaluation, and adoption of standards that every teacher I know personally has come to feel are fundamentally flawed. And in NY, the federal cash has led to several years of misery for children in NY State, hence our extremely high (and apparently getting higher) opt-out rates on the grades 3-8 testing.
Not saying Caryn doesn't have grounds for her opinions. Just saying that there's another side to the story and it makes sense to those of us in the trenches. NY's educational climate has been heavily influenced, to no good end, by the Obama administration, and our children have paid heavily. (And by our children, I do mean mine. Who, thank heavens, has aged out of the testing and is making a pretty penny tutoring a kid down the block in Common Core math.)
I do agree, however, that education policy isn't a huge issue in this year's presidential election, which is why the candidates aren't talking about it much.
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LovesMaltese, I would agree with you that our Democratic governor is not a friend to education. I may be a Democrat, but I am not a fan of his.
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TY Rain. You explained well what I wish I could have understood. I only know that my BFF is a die hard liberal and blames BO for what common core is here. She's a
3rd grade teacher of many many years and is retiring this year. Also my niece has two grade school children. Her son is brilliant but daughter is average and there were many sleepless nights before testing. Not fair to the children, teachers or parents. -
Here is a short explanation of how the adoption of Common Core standards were tied to Race to the Top monies:
"Standards were released for mathematics and English language arts on June 2, 2010, with a majority of states adopting the standards in the subsequent months. States were given an incentive to adopt the Common Core Standards through the possibility of competitive federal Race to the Top grants. U.S. President Barack Obama and U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan announced the Race to the Top competitive grants on July 24, 2009, as a motivator for education reform. To be eligible, states had to adopt "internationally benchmarked standards and assessments that prepare students for success in college and the work place."[14] Though states could adopt other college- and career-ready standards and still be eligible, they were awarded extra points in their Race to the Top applications if they adopted the Common Core standards by August 2, 2010. "
Rainyc, I think that your use of the word "implementation" is important, as that can make all the difference in the success or failure of any problem. NY was an early adopter of Common Core. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes not. CA is just in it's infancy with CC. The state fully expects test scores (SBAC) to drop compared to previous state tests (Although it's not a fair comparison ) .Students have had two years to pilot the tests, but this year will be the official debut. I do understand that students who have not had CC since their early school days would find it challenging. However, part of the process of developing these standards was to keep our students in the competitive orbit of world academic standards. Sadly, since there are no implementation standards, some states have done better with it than others.
We are at a real educational crossroads in the US and we must find a way to prepare our students for the careers and skills that exist in the 21st century international economy.
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Caryn for SOE! Is there a U.S. Historian position for Ruth?
suersis I also love math. Read recently that algebra is under attack as irrelevant. I beg to differ! Here's a real-life example of its usefulness: I worked at a restaurant and my duties included running the cash register. My boss sold someone a cake for $25 tax included. What should be rung into the register, which was programmed to add 5% sales tax? I wrote 25 = 1.05x then solved for x: 25 / 1.05 = 23.81
Rang that up, ta-da cha-ching, total due $25 please. The customer was astonished. TY HS algebra!
Someone mentioned Cohoes. I'm from upstate NY myself. Perked up my ears when TC was in Scotia.
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Yes, he was in Scotia and Kasich is in a town hall Monday in Saratoga with Sean Hannity. Where in upstate did you live? I am about 50 miles west of Albany.
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