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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited April 2016

    I realize that Ivana is not the Donald, but that may be the elite of elitist comments! Let's not forget who picks our crops and provides us with relatively low cost produce... Oh, wait many of those migrants are illegal..

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited April 2016

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/02/politics/donald-trump-war-japan-north-korea/index.html If things like this do not disturb you greatly, then you are not thinking rationally. These comments are infuriating leaders all over the world. NOT ACCEPTABLE. I know that for most of you I am preaching to the choir, but for some of you, if you feel the same as Mr. Trump, please think about your position. The only country in the world to ever experience nuclear war is Japan. They are as a result, a PACIFIST nation and will never develop nukes.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2016

    April485,

    As the only Trump supporter in this group your post was directed at me- I have not and will not ask anyone in this group to reconsider their position on who they are supporting. Thank you in advance to anyone else that may suggest this to me.

    Carol
  • PatRN10
    PatRN10 Member Posts: 332
    edited April 2016

    April, I wish I could live in your world but I agree with Mr. Trump that these nations need to defend themselves. It is wonderful to be a pacifist but who are they going to turn to when the threat from N. Korea looms larger. The US. Like Mr. Trump, I am tired of defending everyone. I like Ronald Reagan's motto pf "peace through strength". If you are more afraid of Donald Trump than North Korea then I believe it is you need to think about your position. President Obama tried the apology tour, being the nice guy, destabilizing the middle east. Not working.

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited April 2016

    Carol, I meant the collective "you," not YOU. I think he is going in the wrong direction with this assault on NATO and our allies. I was making a very important point. He is dangerous and can cause a serious breach with countries that are our most important allies.

    PATRN,I never said I was more afraid than Donald Trump than I am of N. Korea. Can you please show me where I said that?

    Kayb, thank you for understanding the point I was trying to make.

  • PatRN10
    PatRN10 Member Posts: 332
    edited April 2016

    Can't speak for trump but I know about it and it was just signed for another 5 years. doesn't mean we can't look at what to do after that.

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/01/22/national/tokyo-washington-sign-pact-to-continue-japans-support-for-u-s-military-bases/#.VwKv8PkrLcs

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2016

    With all the truly serious topics and issues being discussed, I thought we might occasionally need a little comic relief:

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  • ceanna
    ceanna Member Posts: 5,270
    edited April 2016

    Wow!! I was away for a couple of days and it took me a long-g-g-g-g time to catch up on reading this thread!! Maybe because I read straight through dozens of postings in the same sitting, I feel the need to comment. Beesie, I don't know you, but I like your thoughts. You seem to give a balanced view on many of the issues being discussed here. I especially appreciated your first couple of sentences in Part I of your postings. You said, "Interesting discussion thread, and one that proves to me yet again that both sides in the American political debate have blinders on. Right or left, Republican or Democrat, you only see and accept what you want to see and accept." I couldn't agree more. Isn't it great we can debate issues in the US. If either party had all the answers we wouldn't have multiple points of view. I love a good, respectful debate on issues, please keep it coming and please keep it on the issues and not the person expressing their view.

    ThumbsUpSmile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2016

    WI is going to be very interesting!!! I wonder how accurate the polls are going to be this time? My prediction is that DT will do better than what they had him at last week and I bet Bernie pulls a win-

    HRC was about an hour away from me today in Cohoes, NY - I don't mind listening to her when she talks in her normal voice, but holy voice BATMAN, when she shouts.. It's not hard to do a perfect impersonation of her -- She may be a tad nervous about upstate NY- she has had upstate support in the past but lots of people here feeling the Bern...


  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited April 2016

    Ruth, love the old Ann Landers column - perfect!

    WI is indeed interesting. We're usually irrelevant by now.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2016

    From what I can tell, there seem to be at least three DT supporters on this thread. It good to hear those views, it's not about, hey let's all jump on the Dmocratic orHRC bandwagon.

    Ruth, love the Ann Landers archive...there's a poster on the same subject matter which I gave my son when he was in college.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2016

    Divine who are the other two?

    Badger looks like every primary has become more important than ever. We're next!!

  • rainnyc
    rainnyc Member Posts: 1,289
    edited April 2016

    Exbrnxgrl, I think it is interesting that you and I come from states that have adopted very different approaches to Common Core, and clearly this colors our response to it in a big way. NY adopted CC and testing together, diving in several years ago before a curriculum was in place with high-stakes tests that carried enormous penalties for teachers whose students didn't test well, even if those teachers didn't teach relevant subjects. The reaction has been terrible. Many parents don't trust the tests anymore, and by extension, do not trust Common Core. Students with disabilities, students of color, and english language learners have been especially penalized by tests that are not grade-appropriate. The new, Common Core-aligned SATs were introduced this spring, and all the juniors in my son's high school were asked to take it without cost. 3/4 of them opted out. And this is a high-scoring group who had to take a very high-stakes test to gain admission to this school. So it wasn't the thought of a test, per se.

    It sounds as if California is doing the much smarter thing and adopting the standards well in advance of testing, whether that testing is high-stakes or punitive or not. Hence your positive reaction--you're not threatened by the standards as the NY teachers are. And your classrooms are not hijacked for weeks and weeks of test-prep.

    EngageNY, by the way, is the default NYC curriculum for math. I am very happy that I do not have a child in the grades where it is taught.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled presidential candidate bashing. :)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2016

    Kay- Cruz was up by 10 last week, Fox poll. Today ARG had DT up by 10. I don't think Fox factored in Indep and Reagan Dem's which DT does well with. I love primary night! I drive DH crazy with the remote. I actually think MSNBC calls them first but I like CNN coverage the best for all of primary and Fox the least. Yes, you read that correctly 😄

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited April 2016

    Rainy,

    Yes, I'm aware of EngageNY's origins. Since it was developed with RTT funds it is available on line free of charge. For the lower grades it is not at all engaging! It was the first program I piloted and although it meets the rigor standard, I will not be voting for it. But, I am only one person so I have no idea which way it will go.

    Yes, CA and NY did take different approaches, and other states made their own choices as well. Ergo, education issues are still very much a state by state thing .

    ELL , students with disabilities etc. we're "punished" long before Common Core. No Child Left Behind almost put my school into program improvement because our Special Day students and EL students were not meeting grade level standards. Once those groups were separated out, we were in the top three schools in the county. Very silly if you ask me

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2016

    LovesMaltse, eggroll and PatRN10 are both in your corner, didn't you notice?

    There are also several ladies here who are non-committal, or on both sides of the fence or not sure, however you want to phrase it, and that's certainly okay, too. And Beesie contributes as an observer of the process without a stake in it. I'm just pointing out that it isn't a runaway democratic leaning thread.

  • PatRN10
    PatRN10 Member Posts: 332
    edited April 2016

    I think we keep each other balanced. I am really a Cruz person but would support DT over HRC or BS in a general election.

    Ruth, I grew up reading Ann and Abby every day and learned so much. Thank you for that great column! Just what we needed.

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited April 2016

    Just voted! The polling place was VERY busy and stood on line a few mins but that's OK. Proud to see my community coming out in force to vote.

    You know you're political junkies when "date night" is watching election returns together!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2016

    MY DH is out of town. I get to own remote!!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2016

    My DH is out of town too, which is just as well; he yells at the TV and tries to argue with the newscasters & candidates!

  • rainnyc
    rainnyc Member Posts: 1,289
    edited April 2016

    Badger, you're right; there is something exciting about seeing crowded polling places and being reminded this really does matter!

    I remember 2008; the primary came two days after the worst stomach virus ever. My DH actually drove me the three blocks to the polling place, because I could barely stand up. My son was in 3rd grade and very patiently explained to me that this election was important because we'd either be electing the first African American president or the first woman president. (He was a little hazy at that point about the difference between the primary and the general election.)

    Two weeks to go for us. Sanders and Clinton will be debating next week; the location is a ten-minute walk from where we live.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited April 2016

    Trump's whiny, sore loser statement on Cruz's win in Wisconsin is déclassé at best. Contrast that with Hillary's congratulatory tweet to Sanders. This election cycle has been anything but dull (but still sets a poor example for my first graders)

    PS: If you want a chuckle, check out Sarah Palin's 4/1 speech in support of Trump in Wisconsin . One news source called it bizarre and a "word salad". She does have a unique speech makin' style!

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2016

    I came across an article with the headline "How everyone wins if Donald Trump loses...including Trump". and it mentions does Trump even want to be president, which is still a nagging question I have about him. He comes across as running for office for the sport of it, not sincere about his motives. Here's part of the article:

    "Every so often he has a way of signaling that the White House doesn't seem that appealing to him. Last week, for example, he said he thought his "Muslim ban" would be end of his campaign. According to a New York magazine piece this week, Trump always expected that he'd be back to hosting "The Apprentice" by now, which if true would explain a lot of his misguided strategic decisions in recent months. Presidential candidates are typically known for their insatiable appetite for the job. Trump, on the other hand, appears to be a guy who isn't even studying up on the issues he's going to be asked about for months.

    I look forward to seeing what happens in he New York and Pennsylvania primaries.


  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited April 2016

    DivineMrsM, you may have a point. My son has been saying for months that he is running because he wants a democrat in the white house. My son goes on to argue his logic with "How else would you explain the stupid and insulting things he says such as I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and still get elected."

    I personally think more like you do. He is in it for sport. He loves the "W" in his column no matter what. He HATES to lose at all costs. He is doing this for his ego and nothing more. He has had so much free press so he hasn't really felt any of the pressure from this at all. He is having the time of his life and he is saying pretty much whatever he wants out there despite all of his campaign people begging him to stop being so caustic.

    Interesting no doubt.

  • rainnyc
    rainnyc Member Posts: 1,289
    edited April 2016

    I have been wondering for ages if Trump would pull a Sarah Palin and just pack up and go home when it became less fun.

    Fascinating Bernie Sanders interview here: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bern...


  • rainnyc
    rainnyc Member Posts: 1,289
    edited April 2016

    Kayb, I thought the Wash. Post Trump interview was fascinating. I didn't read the whole thing from start to finish but dipped in. I came away feeling, as you do, that he is utterly unprepared to be president, but that he is a very intelligent man (for which he doesn't get enough credit). He's also incredibly self-confident, and quite sure that he would be able to bring his ideas to fruition because, well, he can. He has a four-year-old's sense of power over the world coupled with an enormous sense of entitlement that comes from being wealthy and successful. He doesn't surround himself with people who tell him what he can't do. He has a gift for sounding plausible, and I'm guessing that has a large part to do with his success. He sounds great. It's just when you start poking around under the surface that you realize the extent to which he isn't saying anything much.

    He reminds me of Max in Where the Wild Things Are, king of all the wild things, presiding over the wild rumpus. But Max sailed home. Not really an option for the president.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2016

    Kay, on your recommendation, I'll listen to the interview soon when time permits. How ironic he says the press changes his words. When he blurts out something totally controversial that spurns voters, his spin committee is ultra quick to issue a statement rewording his remarks saying, in essence, "this is what Trump really means!" So it's okay for his committee to rephrase but not thou press?

    I don't think Trump will admit it, but especially at the beginning of the campaign when he started losing shows and endorsements like the Apprentice and Macy's and more, he hadn't seen that coming. He thought he'd make ignorant remarks about all kinds of people and that the American public wasn't listening. He took the American public for fools. Then, as he gained a following, he wasn't going to back out, he wants run out to save face.

    Now he seems trying to win over women voters, saying Ivanka and Melania want him to act more presidential (but they're.....women.....so he's not gonna listen to them because what do they know?) and I see more female spokespersons for Trump on the news shows. And while you may not be thinking of Melania as First Lady, she gave a very brief speech the other day on the campaign trail which I found very basic. Not much substance. She read short sentences in choppy English. Looked great, tho

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2016

    You are all correct in the way you see Donald Trump because you are liberals! He has turned his life upside down because he has an ego to win? I don't think so... I think he truly believes we are messed up and he has been a voice in the political arena for years. Articles you are referring too are written by the bias MSM. What else is new? In which more than half are liberals...and lets rewind a little.. No one and I mean no one took him serious- It's a horse of different color now..The millions and millions of votes he has and his lead in delegates are not from liberals voting now is it? Just saying- to me it is disgusting that the American People really don't have a say in the end--

    It will be interesting on how ya all feel if BS continues to surge and it comes down to the super delegates. Which I pray it does. To me it looks like 2008 all over again for her...

    Off to a busy day... onward upward looking forward to NY!!






  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited April 2016

    LovesMaltese, I don't speak for anyone else on this thread but if Bernie comes on and takes the nomination away from Hillary Clinton, I for one would be thrilled. Guess I am a "Socialist" and proud of it.

    Shocked

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited April 2016

    I fully cop to my liberal mindset, but as I read and listen to what Mr. Trump says, in his own words, I have yet to see anything of substance. How will he do anything he proposes? His answer to getting Mexico to pay for a wall would be to stop people who are sending money back to Mexico from doing so? Ah, so now we have to set up a system for screening all outgoing monies from the US. Well, at least he gave details.
    As for the convention, I am sure Mr. Trump was aware of the rules when he through his hat into the ring. Why throw a fit about them now? However, if there is a protocol for changing the rules, he should set the wheels in motion.
    Sanders? Yes, I am a social democrat!

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