How are YOU monitored for Recurrence or Mets?
I scoured the boards and cant find this question, so THANK YOU in advance. After you have been thru the BC ringer, how are YOU monitored for Recurrence or Mets down the road? Do you have to wait for a pain and then report it (confusing because Im told "cancer doesnt hurt"). Do you get regular tests or scans (what kind?), blood work (what are they looking for there?).
(PS-if there were an award for a newbie posting the most questions, I would win hands down LOL)
warriorwannabe
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It's OK to ask many questions...
I was monitored every 3 months for 5 years after that every 6 months.
Yearly Mammograms and Cancer tumor Blood work.....which is not 100% accurate.
My second DX was also found from Mammo.....
Sheila
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thanks sheila! So, you had a lumpectomy first, and then found new cancer, so you had a BMX? Do you get mammograms now after BMX or just blood work?
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Yes Warrior I had a lumpectomy the first time ..chemo..radiation...Herceptin to follow
I took Femara for 5 years.
With The second one I also choose a lumpectomy and week later i wasn't comfortable with my decision so had a BMX follow by 4 rounds of TC every 3 weeks....
No more Mammograms for me..I chose not to have recon....
I just saw my MO yesterday will start Femara again....
Sending Hugs
Sheila
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I go every 3 - 4 months for a physical exam and discuss concerns. I do not have mamos, US, tumor markers or scans on a routine frequency but I'm not comfortable with that approach so i push for a chest scan once a year and a abdominal scan once a year spaced out around every 6 months. I do what I have to do to feel i am getting the surveillance I need. Is it perfect NO, does it help ease my mind YES are they accurate or reliable not sure. xo
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Im not there yet (BMX is coming up), but my BS seems kind of conservative in the body scanning arena (my friend at work sees my BS too), where she has to tell him she has a pain somewhere. He points me to this site http://www.choosingwisely.org/patient-resources/whole-body-scans-to-screen-for-cancer/ and says blood work is inaccurate. Huh? Ive been reading so much on these boards to the contrary and that's why I posted this question.
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jenjeni...This time I'm with you with Tumor markers test.
When i was diagnosed my levels were perfectly normal.
Chest scan is a good idea..
Hugs
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First time araound, no ultrasounds, mammos (had BMX), or scans. I had no tumor markers; just routine bloodwork. Because one of my tumors on my second go-around was behind my pec muscle, they are doing an MRI this spring. I will push for it yearly for a couple years. Other than that, nothing unless I have pain.
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Routine blood tests (no tumor markers); x-rays, MRI, or CT (depending on symptoms) for any unexplained pains that last more than a few weeks (doctor says two weeks, I usually wait a month). Physical exam every 4-6 months. Breast ultrasound once a year.
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Evety three months appt w my onco for three years, every six for the next two, option to have yearly appt for six thru year ten. Routine blood work occasionally, yearly MRI.
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Yearly mammograms, yearly MRIs, physical exam by oncologist every 4 months.
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When you have a BMX there is really no way to monitor recurrence. When I found that out I was livid. Both my MO and breast surgeon at a major NYC teaching hospital told me this. Physical exam ever 6 months the first 2 years and thats it! I was told you have to wait until its stage 4 and your have persistent symptoms before its diagnosed. So ridiculous. Cant we do better???
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My MO doesn't do blood work or scans for my stage of cancer after BMX. I had appointments every 3 months the first year, now I'm moving to every 4-6 months. I had a physical exam at my last appointment but that was the first one since surgery. I assume I'll be moved to once a year after 2-3 years, then to my primary care physician after 5 years.
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Warrioir, My MO told me when I hit my 5 year mark, I only had to come every year. I told him I would feel better with check ups every 6 months, and also doing blood work every 6 months. It's true that blood work isn't always right, but had I not done that, I would not have known I had mets. I had no pain what so ever. As for cancer not hurting, it does for some and not for others. I had no pain ever, and still no pain. The only complaints I have are from the SE's of the medication I take. You have to be your own advocate on this journey.
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I go every three months to see my MO. He does a CBC, CMC, and tumor markers. Since I am on letrozole, he said that he will monitor me every 3 months for 3 years and if I am NED at 3 years, he will see me every 6 months until I am done with letrozole. He said according to studies out now, that he wants me to stay on meds for 10 years, but you never know what new information will come out for us.
I asked my BS about yearly screenings since I had a BMX. She said no mammograms, no ultrasounds or MRI unless I notice a lump or problems. She said monthly exams are my best friend. I don't know how I feel about that, but I guess I go with what works for now.
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I got a lumpectomy, so it's mammos every six months right now. I see MO every three months and get blood work done before every appointment. I see RO once a year. Eventually, I will see MO every six months and then once a year. My MO is a scanner. She wants to do an MRI, once a year. Since I'm on aromasin, I will get a dexascan every two years to see how my bone density is doing. Otherwise, scanning will only be ordered if I have any problems.
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It frustrates me when they say if you have a BMX, there's no way to monitor for local recurrence. There are ways, they just choose not to use them. It infuriates me that women at low risk can get yearly mammograms, but women who've had breast cancer cannot get yearly ultrasounds, etc to monitor for changes. Local recurrence after BMX may be less common than after lumpectomy, but it is not unheard of. I am exhibit A of that! The key is if you notice ANY changes, insist on a biopsy. My docs were 99% "sure" that my new lump was scar tissue. I told them I was 99% sure I would not sleep until I knew for sure because my gut told me otherwise. They gladly obliged and did a biopsy. I am so very glad I insisted on it! It is hard to question doctors, but you MUST be your own advocate.
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So true Kbeee! I have mastectomy, right and nothing to check for recurrence on that side except physical exams, but with the lack of soft tissue it's hard to feel lumps.
(btw, I'm surprised they didn't do Adriamaycin at your first DX?)
As to the question, yearly mammogram for left breast. Onc visit with blood work every 3 months for 1 year, then every 6 months.
Additional scans/tests as warranted by symptoms/blood work.
I also see my breast surgeon every 6 months.
I do wish I could have a MRI every year or two until 5 years out?
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We debated adriamycin the first time, but since my oncotype was low and there was debate on whether or not to even do chemo, TC seemed like a good middle ground...keep cancer at bay, without possible toxicity to heart (because I do have a heart murmur). It also allowed us to have something else in teh arsenal the next time around.
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Thank you for the explanation. Since I had lymph node involvement my Onc really wanted to throw everything and the kitchen sink at me, so to speak.
Well, it did feel like a kitchen sink hitting me come to think of it!
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What my MO told me when I asked her why people are not routinely scanned each year after invasive cancer is the following:
If any stray BC cells are circulating in the system and set up shop in distant organs, then and only then can they tell that you have mets. Checking for mets ONLY makes sense if symptomatic because it does not follow a set pattern of going from stage to stage. It will either metastasize (which can't be cut off at the pass prior to it happening nor can it be seen on scan) or it will recur as a local recurrence in the breast which should be monitored as always with either mammo (if you still have breasts) and/or checking for lumps and the getting ultrasound or MRI if any found.
Tumor markers (if accurate for you which is not the case with everyone as you have read) can indicate something is happening so blood work is routinely done (at least by her) every 6 months initially (unless Stage 3, then every 3 months) and then yearly after 5 years (that is her protocol, not all MO's apparently) and she said that none of these tests save lives because you cannot "catch" cancer cells that are going to metastasize before they do after your active treatment is over! She said the amount of radiation involved in a PET scan is so large that it is not a good idea to routinely do them. If symptoms last longer than 2 weeks then she will scan.
This makes sense to me so thought I would share. You can agree or not agree but this is what she told me when I asked her for a friend. I am DCIS so do not get scanned ever (except my mammos of course) unless I recur as invasive.
Edited to add that Kbeee is absolutely right. Advocate for yourself if the doctors do not listen to any concern you have. It could save your life!
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I am stage III from the start. Was switched to six month follow-ups after the treatments end. At each follow-up, my MO runs CBC, CBC and Differential, hepatic panel and two tumor markers (CEA and CA-15-3.) Vit D test once a year. Chest CTs have been every six months until last fall because of multiple lung nodules, now switched to once a year - only to continue monitor the lungs and not because of breast cancer.
6 month follow-ups alternate between the MO and her NP. I have been seeing the MO only so far because of the lung nodules.
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I wish there were a reliable way to monitor me but my onco pretty much said that in my case, we are going by any odd symptoms.
I had a bilateral MX to there is no way to do mammograms. I wish they could do ultrasounds or CT scans or something, but nope. Tumor markers are unreliable so she doesn't do them. I feel like I am flying without a net.
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My MO doesn't believe in routine scans either. I pushed for several months due to back pain and guess what, two spots on my lung "breast cancer" side showed up!!!! Now ct scans every 2-3 months, but I was told they don't do routine blood work on breast cancer patients after treatment ends. I feel I'm at the mercy of this stupid disease without any medical support. So frustrating!
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Wow, lots of replies to this thread!!! Thank you so much. But I cant wrap my head around this one too well - we have had BC, are at risk of recurrence and mets, and yet there doesnt seem to be standard protocol for ongoing monitoring later? Some of us have to demand regular testing (and challenge the all-knowing medical profession - not easy to do)? Arent we at the highest risk? Im just starting this journey (BMX soon) and right now, every little ache/pain/twitch/twinge pain I get makes me think it's the cancer spreading. I cant imagine how I'll be after this is over.
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My previous onco (in WI) told me (when I asked the same thing you posted) that survival is not altered by time of detection of a recurrence. Lovely, no? **rolling eyes***
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I get yearly MRIs on my remaining breast because I'm high risk due to family history. I'm glad because it covers the mastectomy side too. No tumor marker tests because they're not reliable
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TM's may not always be reliable, but are in some cases, such as mine. Nothing was showing on scans, but my insurance would only allow xray and nuclear bone. More testing due to increasing TM's, biopsy and WHAM! Bone mets after 6 years. Additional testing after 5 years won't keep you from getting mets, but at the very least, catch them early.
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I'm like akj above. By having just unilateral mastectomy, I can get MRI on the remaining breast annually (with a 3D mammogram 6 months later). The scan is conducted in such a way that both sides are seen so it helps to know that the radiologist is getting a look at the surgical area: chest wall, etc.
For those of us who had chemo, blood tests may be good for catching myelodysplastic syndrome=MDS, a type of leukemia, which Robin Roberts had treated by bone marrow transplant. No tumor markers are followed by my doc.
A spike in serum calcium could be a sign of bone metastasis which means I don't mind having chemistry/metabolic panels twice a year, along with the CBC and differential.
Be sure to get DXA every year if you're on an aromatase inhibitor - need to monitor skeletal density and be aware if osteopenia develops.
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Glad to find this thread/discussion. I worry constantly about recurrance.
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These are the guidelines from the NHS in England.
Quality statement
Women treated for early breast cancer have annual mammography for 5 years after treatment. After 5 years, women who are 50 or older receive breast screening according to the NHS Breast Screening Programme timescales, whereas women younger than 50 continue to have annual mammography until they enter the routine NHS Breast Screening Programme. Screening is done every three years.
I am now 51, six years past dx and I'll have my next screening when I am 53. It's not what I imagined follow up would be like.
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