Starting Chemo March 2015
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Amber, what Theresa said. You don't need to be here for us for support when you need it. I am sorry about your mom. I hope you are kicking her butt to the curb.
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I'm so sorry Amber. You have been through so much! We're all here for you. This year has just begun and it can and will be a better year!
PB
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Sue, Sorry the date is hitting so hard. I do understand. Tomorrow is a new and different day.
Amber. We're here for each other through the good and the bad. Sorry you're dealing with so much.
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Sorry Amber...my mom says some pretty stupid stuff too and it hurts. But, your mom doesn't define you or who you are. Feel free to come rant here anytime! We love you no matter what ailments pop up
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Amber, see, we are all ready to go kick somebody's ass for you! Don't hide out anymore, okay?
Regarding moms, ugh, they can be the best and the absolute worst. I gave up on mine. Every time I called her she would ask how chemo was going and before I could answer, she would tell me how terrible things were for her because she has pre-cancerous polyps that have to be removed from her bladder periodically. She has no idea what my cancer is, how bad, the chemo I went through, anything.
How long is the healing process and rehab for your hip going to be?
Sharon, is the antibiotic helping? I found out the Italians announced this year at the San Antonio breast cancer symposium that they are doing a trial on doxycycline and efficacy in breast cancer. Doxycycline is an antibiotic used for, among other things, acne. I used to take its predecessor, tetracycline, years ago when I hit perimenopause and my skin went to crap. I'm not paranoid (at least I don't think so, okay maybe I am), butbetween worrying if I am going to get lymphedema/cellulitis, breast cancer recurrence, and how terrible my skin has been this past year, I just started taking it prophylactically, figure it can't hurt and could maybe help. I'm not sure if would be an antibiotic that could keep cellulitis at bay, but I just thought I would mention it in case you weren't aware.
Sue, keep your chin up! No words of wisdom except to say that a good part of my day is coming to this forum, so every day, no matter how crappy, I have this little spot of wonderful to come to.
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Sharon, I hope you're doing better!
Today it is one year since my biopsy and I just had a coworker ask me if I have considered megadoses of Vitamin C to treat my cancer. Sigghhhhhhhhh.
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Add blueberries and resveratrol and I wonder, damn, how did we ever get cancer when all these natural things work so well (SARCASM!). Oh, and a few apricot kernels for the Laetrile B17 wonder cure! I guarantee your coworker would have chemo needles in both hands if it happened to him/her.
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Italy and molly - you forgot the asparagus.
amber - sorry about the hip, hoping you get some relief soon.
For those struggling with cancerversaries - keep your chin up, eventually it will just be a day like any other - don't give it the power to bring you down.
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Don't forget how cancer is caused by negative thinking!
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I told him I thought the $400,000 worth of drugs pumped into my body were probably more effective than vitamins. But what does my oncologist know!
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Damn, maybe I should put on rose colored glasses, smoke a few joints, and all will be well then!
Oh and Molly, my husband tried the Vitamin C megadosing on me one time when I got a cold. All I did was shit myself and trash my stomach and about puke. I'm sure the cold ended when it would have no matter what I did. (Don't tell him I said that haha!)
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I think ti would be funny to reply that you tried that but it made you shot yourself, so you opted for chemo instead. Just to see a reaction. I could say that to my coworkers, but they're all men, so shit is a common topic of their conversation.
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Amber I'm so sorry the read that! Your strength has always amazed me! I can't believe that people especially a parent can be so rude and incorrect. We are here for you.
Sue I have my necklace on today. Thankyou. It really does help. I feel supported.
The burning has eased but I still feel like crap. I'm at work...but not concentrating very well....obviously, cause I'm here...instead of working.
Theresa, I was given a course of Doxycycline with every round of chemo.
Thankyou all xxx
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Amber! I'm so glad to "see" you! We are here for you and each other no matter what. Sometimes I'm here to offer support, sometimes I'm here because I need support.
T - your response to Amber's post made me cry. The bond we all have people don't necessarily get because we haven't "met" - as though a once a week in person group circle where I never would've shared the story of shitting myself 40 min into a 5 h flight - could ever compare to what we are and have been for each other. Please everyone say yes to early June at the lake.
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Amber, how is it that sometimes the people closest to us can be so, so, so...oh I give up on finding the right word. People can be hard.
Sharon, I hope the LE takes a better turn. I hope you can find someone to help you with wrapping or something else to reduce the swelling once the infection is under control. I think there are some alternatives, including pneumatic devices that apply graduated compression, but I haven't personally seen them or heard much about them. Maybe the LE boards have some more info. I've been lucky, at least with my arm LE. The swelling is down, and compression seems to be keeping it that way. I'm sure the 25 pound (just over 11 kilos) weight loss has helped, too. The thing that isn't better is the LE in my armpit and trunk. It is still uncomfortable, and really the only relief I get is when wearing a sports bra or shapewear camisole that comes up high to my axilla. My oncology rehab clinic, where my LE therapist practices, is currently doing a clinical trial using specialized nighttime compression. Everyone in the study eventually gets a custom made night compression garment. I asked about the trial, but the requirements for participating included swelling of at least 10% over the other limb, or at least 200ml of swelling. I was originally about 9.7 or 9.8, so close, but the last time I was there she measured my arm again, and they are essentially equal, so no clinical trial for me. That's ok, because I will take the reduced swelling any day of the week. The truncal LE seems more persistent.
I come to this place often, to see how everyone is doing, and to check in. I'm still struggling with deep dark depression, and my cancerversary (results of biopsy) was January 7 - my sister's birthday. I tend to count from my mx date, on January 13, but the whole month was hard. I do hope that those dates get easier as time goes by. As my invasive cancer was triple negative, I understand that the 5 year anniversary is significant, but because I also had ER/PR+, HER2- DCIS and LCIS, the recurrence statistics may be less meaningful for me. Triple negative has recurrence risk that falls quite a bit after year 5, but hormone receptor positive has a more steady, but lower, annual recurrence risk that does not fall over time. My MO couldn't put any evidence based structure to my recurrence risk, overall, except to say that there isn't really anything, treatment wise, that can put me in a low risk category.
I find it quite amazing, the suggestions that people outside the cancer fellowship offer as either the source of your cancer (usually something that you did/didn't do) or the best way to treat your own cancer, or how to prevent recurrence. Often, they are ridiculous, but there can be a judgmental edge to their comments that I find quite difficult. The "positive attitude" folks can be the toughest, for me. I simply can't be everyone's little ray of sunshine all the time. First, I don't think it is unreasonable to feel down from time to time, grieving the loss of the life you had before. It is objectively hard to adapt to being transformed from a competent, active, healthy person to an incontinent, cane dependent, drug popping, confused person with a bad case of ADD who can barely walk a city block without having to soak my feet in a bucket for a couple of hours. Sometimes, that gets me down, and it won't improve my mood to suggest that if I don't cheer up, my cancer will recur. Sheesh, is that supposed to help? It's like it was my "fault" I have cancer in the first place, and it will be my fault if I have a recurrence! Sometimes, the best thing a person can do is press their lips firmly together.
Hugs to all. This is a long weekend where I live - Monday is a statutory holiday "Family Day", so many things will be closed. Three day weekend!
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So glad to hear from you Amber! I'm sorry your mom just doesnt get it and it is absolutely awful for her to say those things. We are here for you so please visit when you can. I keep coming back to the board because I know you all understand. And Theresa's right, we have all been supportive and supported here. A bond no one will understand.
The cancerversary is hard then I thought too Sue. I'm sure everyday will get better but sometimes it's overwhelming. My dad called me tonight to say he remembered and that he was very proud of me. He also told me that windshields are large for a reason and we only have a little tiny window in the back. We should always be looking forward and only glancing back. This first year is hard but I'm determined to make each day better So I keep going and so does life around me.
Sharon, I've been thinking of you. I'm sorry you are at work and feeling awful. Hugs!
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Carrie I love love love your dad's saying!
My new co-teacher (a position in which you are essentially work day spouses) when I first met her the cancer thing came up and she said that if you drink lemon and whatever every morning at least a half an hour before coffee it kills any cancer cells in your body. I decided that since we were going to work together through at least June that I couldn't let it slide. I told her first that that isn't real and second that as someone who just went through cancer I found it horribly offensive that she suggest that this water lemon concoction would've prevented it. That was the end of that. We get along great now just as a foot note.
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Eileen, hugs, you made me cry cuz you cried. I will definitely be there in June.
Avmom I have no words for what you are going through mentally and emotionally. On days I get down, I go get my grandkids which is bittersweet. They lift me up, but then I also want to cry because I want to be here to see them become adults, watching and being in their lives every step of the way. Those sweet little faces! And I don't know if I will get that chance. They give me the strength to be stubborn and never back down, to push as hard as I can to get through the fears and anxiety. Then I wonder if I die when they are young, will they remember me and all the silly times we had together? Like yesterday we did a food picnic in bed, watching Disney, will they remember? So I cram as much as I can into every day, trying to make as many memories as possible. I will fight every step of the way to try to be here to watch them grow.
Damn, sometimes I get sappy, sorry!
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oh and Eileen, I thought I remembered you shitting yourself twice on that plane?
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Avmon, I am sorry you are so down. If you had DCIS and LCIS that was ER+, I wonder if anti-estrogen therapy would be worthwhile for you? Obviously, if so, your MO would have prescribed it.
Let's look forward to the day when cancer isn't in our every-minute thoughts and is more a bad memory. Until then (and even after), I count my blessings I have you all to count on for support.
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E - I'd sure love to come.
And i wonder with that get-together, and the April-board camping trip, if folks still want to meet in Chicago. I know people have many obligations.
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Theresa and Sue, thanks for your warm thoughts. I'm not "down" all of the time, but it is hard to adjust to having to live in a way where there are no familiar activities that you can do "naturally", but where everything requires a concentrated effort. I'm still longing for things large and small, though I am hopeful that at least some of it will get easier. I think that the brain fog is lifting, slowly, which would be a major help. The loss of the simple pleasure of reading has been hard. Before surgery and chemo, I was a world class reader, with at least two books on the go at a time. I got a lot of mental stimulation just from being able to absorb large quantities of written material, and I sampled a large array of material. When reading "light" material like fiction, it was like watching film. I could immerse myself in the story, so much that I would only be vaguely aware that I was reading, rather than watching a movie. That would kick in only if I concentrated fully, and when I was reading very fast - often 150 pages an hour, or more. Paradoxically, even going through the written word at a very fast pace, I was always able to go back and find any specific quotation if I wanted to refer back to it. It worked best with paper books, so it was a combination of visual and physical memory. I would be able to find things partly because I "knew" about how far into the book my target was (like maybe 100 pages in, I think because of how thick the pages were under my thumb), what side of the page, in the middle paragraph, beginning or end of the paragraph, etc. It was a gift, really. Since chemo, I have a hard time reading more than a few pages at a time, and at a very reduced speed. Makes it much less fun, and needs much more conscious effort.
I know that I have much to be thankful for, and I am still hopeful that things will continue to improve. This week has been tough, as my neuropathy seems to be going backwards. My feet have been much worse for the past two days, making walking harder, and keeping me awake at night. Grrrr!
Theresa, the sappy stuff can be great. My sister has one grand baby, who will be turning two in April. He is wonderful, and she lives very close by, and gets to see him often. What a treat, but I sure get the bittersweet feeling. Being privileged to spend time with the very young gives both a shot of the wonder and newness of the world, but it reminds us to reflect on those we knew when we were young ourselves, and to put ourselves in the position of older loved ones who are gone now. How much would they recognize of themselves in our memories of them? What memories will the current "littles" have of us in the years to come? Grand babies would be lovely, but please, not yet! Our son is just 22, and is still finding his way. He is nowhere near ready to be a parent! However, today was his first day working at his dream fine dining restaurant, and it seems to have gone all right.(he is living here for now). Being the newbie can be intimidating. Time will tell.
Sue, I know what you mean about maybe doing endocrine therapy for the ER/PR+ in situ carcinoma. My situation was sufficiently unusual, with all of the different pathology (four different carcinomas, TN IDC, TN DCIS, ER/PR+ DCIS and ER/PR+ LCIS-some triple negative, some ER/PR positive, all there at the same time, and in both breasts) including the in situ stuff that was found only with the "prophylactic" mastectomy (nothing on mammo or ultrasound; no palpable lump) that all of my samples were reviewed by a second pathology group, and considered at a multidisciplinary Tumor review. The consensus was to not recommend any endocrine treatment, so no Tamoxifen or AI. At least, I don't have to worry about more side effects! It does make me wonder about my body's efficiency at producing carcinoma.
I am saving up some questions for my MO, though. I was looking up a few things so I could talk to my newly diagnosed friend, and right at the moment I am concerned about the lymph nodes on my left side. I had a total mastectomy, but because it was "certain" that the mx was prophylactic, no marking or sampling of sentinel nodes was done. Had they known about the DCIS and LCIS, it looks like it would have been standard of care to mark and sample at least one sentinel node. Now that the mx is done, no sentinel node sampling can be done, and I don't think any specific surveillance of the nodes on that side has been contemplated or scheduled. I don't feel that's urgent enough for a specific appointment, but I need to keep that on the list to discuss after my next thyroid ultrasound. I had to have two thyroid biopsies done last year as part of my staging investigations, but the ultimate finding was that the thyroid nodules that showed up were benign. They do need to be monitored, though, and I received notice in the mail of an appointment later this spring for a follow up ultrasound. One tough thing about these cancerversaries, they trigger the next round of tests and exams. Maybe that's just highlighted the uncertainties of all of this to me, so I'm more anxious. I'm not sure of anything much, these days.
Ah, it's just about 4:30. Time to give up on any more sleep, and go fix a cup of coffee.
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Hugs to YOU, Avmom.
Can someone tell me the dates for April and June? I am having a hard time finding someone to stay with my kids for my stage 2. My sister said she would do it but she has a bunch of exception dates and frankly, dealing with her makes everything so stressful. I am hoping our old sitter can do it but I left her a message and she hasn't called yet. I know I have some time but with my kids being hard, I want to feel like it is someone who can handle them.
Theresa: I feel confident you are going to see your grandkids grow up.
Eileen: I love that you had the balls to say something to that idiot coworker.
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AVmom, People would never come to someone's hospital room after a stroke, or a devastating crash, or a diagnosis of COPD, or a heart attack and expect them to have their happy face on 24-7. Yet somehow people "expect" that of cancer patients, even though the side effects of their treatments are often 100 times worse. I think it's because people fear cancer so much that when they see the "happy face," it makes THEM feel better. When I would update my caringbridge site, I was always honest. I usually felt good and posted as such, but I was brutally honest about the tough times too, and I can't tell you how many friends who've dealt with cancer wrote to me to tell me they appreciated me keeping it real and letting people know that it's not all sunshine and rainbows. I do think you have some good questions for your MO.
Eileen, I also like that you said something to your coworker. I have been much more assertive at replying to comments like that now as well.
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http://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2016/...
I thought this was a good article, no new news for this group I'm sure but nice to have the validation regarding depression and those "rabbit holes."
Since starting the Celexa that my MO prescribed a couple of weeks ago for the anxiety, it's been over a week since I've had a hot flash, and this has allowed me to sleep through the night-anyone remember how great that is!?
Regarding miracles, has anyone been sent the cottage cheese/flax oil cure for cancer? That just sounds like an evil joke.
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Thanks for that, sloth. This really rung true for me: "I wasn't suicidal, but I just didn't want to be," Kaminski said. "I didn't want to be me. I didn't want any of this."
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Thank you Theresa for sharing about your grandkids. I look at my kids and think the same. I feel like I struggle every day...I have good moments and bad ones...it seems cancer is never far from my mind, and that's exhausting...but coming here helps...you all get it like no one else does. I feel supported by everyone here and hope I'm able to offer some support to others.
Thanks Sloth for the article...helpful for me to read. Happy the Celexa is working for you...and happy you are able to sleep through the night! I can't remember that! I recently started Trazadone for sleep and am sleeping much better now, but still wake at least once a night.
PB
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Sloth- that was a great article. Thanks for sharing it. So much of it felt like someone had looked right into my head. I definitely related to the description of the moment where one just "shuts down". That happened for me a couple of months ago. I have felt frozen. The time of year has not been conducive to movement, but mostly it has just been almost a complete lack of caring what the outcome of all of this is. Life, that is. I am working with my shrink to deal with this. I am journaling, attempting to incorporate more mindfulness. I have not been exactly suicidal. More like just beyond caring in a completely passive way. My best hope is that I have been very depressed before, and has always given way to a kind of happiness again. Sometimes it has taken a very long time. Though medicaction and therapy have always been a part of the recipe, there has never been a fixed time where the remedy has resulted in my extraction from the rabbit hole. In the meantime, I hang onto this sliver of hope, and try to force myself to take Jack to as many therapy visits as possible. That always helps a little, and sometimes it gets so basic as to just try to string a couple of reasonably acceptable hours together.
Avmom- I used to be a voracious reader also. It was a great escape and stimulation just exactly like you described, though I doubt I ever came close to reading that fast. It is a daily, sometimes even hourly challenge to adjust to how different life is now, physically and mentally/emotionally. I feel like I have done a very bad job at "pushing" myself to return to normal activities. I miss reading so much.
On the medical front, I have been on the AI for a little over a week now. So far, tolerable. But it's early yet.
I know I don't have to apologize for the above, but I am very grateful for having a place to let it out.
Thank you all.
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Katy....of course there is no need to apologize, hope getting it out here helped. I know the weather is not great these days, but are you still walking? If not, maybe finding a few minutes to walk will help you feel better? I have a love/hate relationship with exercise. Fallen off the wagon many times, but get back on, start all over, and try to do better than the day before. For me having a pedometer helps motivate me. Even if I only log in a couple more steps than the day before its progress. Come back to the exercise thread when you're ready, we're here for you! Hugs💕
PB
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Katy: I think it is great that you can realize you have been through hard times and felt happy again after.
I think there has got to be an element of loss of control contributing to depression. And cancer has got to be the ultimate loss of control.
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