I think my marriage is over

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  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited January 2016

    Soalone: so sorry you are in this lonely place. The more you post, the more it is evident that you are kidding yourself about his behavior. He alone is responsible for his hurtful actions. Take care of your kids and yourself. Be prepared to move on. You are not responsible for his actions in anyway. Please guard your heart

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited January 2016

    I'm so sorry you're seeing this continued behavior from him. It really sounds like he needs individual therapy. I know you said he wouldn't go but if he's really that miserable maybe you could suggest it gently and tell him that it might not help, but it couldn't hurt! He's really lashing out at you and he needs to get through these feelings on his own - because none of this is your fault! - or it will keep happening.

  • Leslie13
    Leslie13 Member Posts: 202
    edited January 2016

    So sorry he's into blaming you again - then leaves for the night. You were set up: he blames you, makes you feel like s**t then leaves. This is NOT good for your health. Whatever person who counseled you that you have responsibility in his behavior is a nimrod. You are being gas lighted.

    Those "nice" periods are calculated to throw you off balance. You'll be soon praising him for very minor things, so eager you will be deny the truth. Wealthy guys will go by their wife's jewelry after being with a hooker or mistress.

    And telling off your superior in a meeting is very poor judgement. That's a 1:1 talk. Embarrassing the superior in front of his work group is a career killing move. Your husband is out of control. That's the last thing you need. I won't say anything about his illusion that someone wouldn't report him to HR. Someone who's being sexual with co-workers is going to piss someone off sooner or later.

    Goingto a different counselor is a good idea, and start planning an exit strategy in case you need it.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone, please make an appointment with both a counselor and an attorney. At least know what your rights are. Your husband is self destructing and blame shifting onto you. Don't accept blame and don't get into discussions with him.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited January 2016

    Whatever you decide to do, consult with a a lawyer, plan an exit strategy, get your ducks in a row. Whether you need to implement any of these or not, at least you'll be prepared. Best wishes

  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited January 2016

    I agree with Molly and Exbrnxgrl, and want to add do not tell him to do whatever he wants to do. You may even want to change some of what you wrote on this thread so you protect yourself. I think you also may want to suggest a cooling off period between the two of you, which means no heated discussions of any sort - you need to do this for your kids. (Please speak to a lawyer, may be he has already.)

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2016

    He doesn't need to know you are seeing a lawyer. Maybe take your mom or a friend you trust with you.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited January 2016

    Like I said before, I am not worried about our assets. The lawyer we used when purchasing our houses is an old friend and the houses are in my name and the mortgages in his. My lawyer did some planning for me from the very beginning. I handle all the finances, he doesn't even know where our money is to get to it. I am not worried on this level.

    I meet with my therapist today. Maybe she can shed some light on what is going on and how to proceed in protecting myself emotionally. I cannot continue living this way. We were cordial to each other last night and this morning. No fighting. I was waiting for him to explode about what happened at work, but he didn't say anything or push the blame onto me. I guess that is a start.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2016

    I feel like you should proceed with caution and not haste. From what I can tell, it seems way too soon to arrive at the decision to divorce. It hasn't been even two weeks since you confronted him about the texting (original post above dated 1/15/2016). What we know is he was texting another woman, maybe a number of women, but I haven't read anything about a physical, sexual relationship he's covering up. The texting was done with your knowledge until you became uncomfortable with it. Now he wants to blame you for his troubles at work. It still doesn't add up to the point of taking the drastic step towards divorce.

    You expect your husband to stick with you through the roller coaster ride of bc difficulties, yet when he's starting to spiral a bit out of control, some are telling you to walk away? It seems like a double standard to me. You say your marriage may never be the same, but both of you were in some kind of denial about the state of your marriage for a period of time before this, so at least parts of the marriage weren't what either of you thought it was. Now you are getting into the nitty gritty of being open and honest. Hang in there.

    Life throws us continuous curves. Is your life and the lives of your children truly going to improve if you divorce? I had difficulties in my marriage that resolved over time, I am saying months and years, as we moved forward with our lives.

    As stated, we don't know all the details of your situation. But try to take this a day at a time and try not to predict the future. The title of your post says "I think my marriage is over" rather than something like "Huge marriage difficulties". Please stay open-minded. Let your feelings to your husband be known. If he says, 'I don't want to come home', make sure to tell him that it hurts to hear that. Tell him you still hope the two of you can work things out, if that's how you feel. Say that you two are a team and need to work together to make it through the rough times, if that's what you think. You may need to repeat these things to him at various times. He seems to have lost his balance a bit, but that usually evens out after awhile.

    I'm glad you're seeking professional help.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited January 2016

    MrsM, thank you. I don't see my or any of our lives better if we divorce. I see further hardships for all of us. That is why I am reaching out for help. I need to figure all this out. I know it has never reached a point of physical intimacy. I know that for a fact. It was just texting and lunches and things of that nature. My posting is headed I think my marriage is over because at that moment with all the mean hurtful things we said to each other I couldn't see a way out of this hole we fell into. He is lashing out. He is angry about everything as I have been. This has been going on for a month now. 1 month out of 20 years isn't so bad when you look at the big picture.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited January 2016

    WWhen my husband went through the worst part of his straying it was a direct reaction to the extreme stress we were under when it became clear our DS would be permanently disabled. People react to helplessness and stress differently. It sounds like your DH is self destructing. He has to find a way to pull himself together, maybe therapy will help.

  • Almosthere
    Almosthere Member Posts: 197
    edited February 2016

    You both need each other right now. It is too soon to call it quits. Everyone copes differently with stress and not always the right way. Your husband pulled away and built walls when you had a reoccurance. I wonder if his fear of losing you (he assumed he was going to) was what made him do this strange behaviour..."find that new wife"

    I'm glad you guys are seeking help. It's not fair that you need to support him when you clearly are going through so much yourself.

    I wish you both the best and hope you come together to support each other right now! If you decide to go your separate ways I hope it is after you are both sure that's the real issue.

    Hugs my sweet BC sister...

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited February 2016

    hi! Just wanted to post an update. We have been talking and getting along. I still have so much anger and hurt in me and I can't release any of it. He doesn't want to talk about any of this, he honestly doesn't see himself as being wrong in his actions. I know the texting and communicating with this woman has stopped. I am welcome at his office at anytime. I have popped in unannounced many times and he has been happy to see me each time.

    Maybe I am just old and don't get the younger generation. The other day another female employee who was transferred out of his dept texted him a selfie. He said it was just so he doesn't forget about her and when a permanent position opens up she wants to be transferred back there. These young women see nothing wrong with sending pictures of themselves (fully dressed and sitting behind a desk) to men of any age or relationship status. I asked him why these women all have daddy issues and he didn't see it at first. They all look to him for approval. I spoke to a woman who used to work for him(we became good friends over the years) and she said it's the culture of his job. All the younger women vie for the upper managements attention. She told me I had nothing to worry about. When she worked with him he had eyes only for me. She made me feel better about this.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    SoAlone, you need an outlet for your anger. Can you go for some counseling? Keep popping into the office. It should be good for both of you.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2016

    SoAlone,

    Change happens over time. It is good that the texting and communicating with the other woman stopped. Tho not his fault he received it, the new selfie from another woman employee your husband received should be deleted by him. I don't understand that kind of behavior among women, either. Sometimes I feel like some women try to stir up drama so try to ignore it.

    It will take time to work thru your hurt and anger. It may help your husband to put some distance between his actions before he is more willing to talk about it. And maybe he never will claim he was in the wrong. When my son was a teenager, he gave some insight into how guys think when I was fighting with his dad. He said, "Mom, Dad said he was sorry and now you can't just keep bringing up the thing he did wrong. He doesn't want to keep hearing it because to him, it's over. And he feels crummy when you keep bringing it up again and again. " And that made sense to me. I sometimes harp on things a bit too much, but i try to accept apologies and move forward.

    You can forgive tho you don't have to forget. Keep your radar up. If he does something you think is questionable, mention it right away if you are uncomfortable with it.

    Try to do some new things together as a couple to create some new memories and get your mind focused on a new chapter in your lives. I am glad the two of you continue to work thru this.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited February 2016

    Molly50, I do go to a therapist but it feels like that isn't enough. I also cannot get to her every week because of all the other Doctor appts I have and school events with the kids.

    I honestly do not want to pop into his office more than necessary. Each time I go there it's for a reason. I have never been one to just pop in.

    A part of me hates him so much for the way this all made me feel about myself and our relationship. I feel like I was so blind and naive about everything! All this time I thought we had a great relationship.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited February 2016

    MrsM, he says the same thing, why do you have to keep bringing up the past? I know he feels bad, but I don't think he feels bad enough. The deflecting really got to me. And as far as this new woman sending a selfie, I have to wonder what vibe he is sending to his staff that they would think its ok? I mean I would never have considered sending my boss a picture of myself when I was their age!

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2016

    I think I would just verbalized to him something like, "I'm working to get past this, I love you but I still have anger." and "it is taking me some time to work through my feelings because I thought we had a great relationship." You can still be mad and on some levels the relationship has forever changed. Maybe you see him in a different light, so you have to have a relationship with the person you see him as now. Your relationship can still continue to grow and be good. It just takes time.

    Years ago, my brother's wife, younger than me and with a boob job, would flirt with my husband. I hated it. No one in my family of many brothers and sisters and their spouses did this kind of thing. Husband and I had numerous fights about it. He said he wasn't flirting with her, and really, he wasn't. But he also wasn't stopping her from flirting with him. I told him if a guy was flirting with me, I knew how to give him the message I wasn't interested. Oh, it wasn't a happy period in my marriage. I stood my ground and I changed. I saw my husband in a different light. He simply didn't see my perspective. Other things in our marriage worked and we moved forward with life. Then, my brother and his wife got a divorce, and we all found out how deceptive and scheming she was, had a boyfriend, had secret bank accounts, ect. So I finally felt justified that I'd had her number all along.

    What I'm getting at, I guess, is that we don't know why other idiot women want to bother with our husbands. We wouldn't do something like that. These days, some women seem bolder than ever. But your husband knows where you stand about the matter. You've kind of updated your expectations so he knows what is acceptable/unacceptable. As long as you know about those texts, and that it's not a back and forth thing, you or he can't do anything more but delete them.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited February 2016

    Have just seen this topic I think. He was a loving husband and then had a sudden behavior change. Months yes, but sudden based on his whole life. Anyone suggest he needs a physical. I've read enough to know he's being a schmuck, but he's a sudden schmuck.

  • 7of9
    7of9 Member Posts: 833
    edited February 2016

    My parents almost split when I was 16. It took a lot of counseling but they worked it out (he was seeing someone and while she was certainly not at fault, mom admitted to giving too much of her time, effort and energy to work, in laws and her own crazy relatives and taking in a niece on an already tight budget). She had to learn to say no and so did he to people and things that tried to take precedence over their marriage. It is hard when health matters demand so much of our focus, especially something like this, day in and day out. There is no shame in throwing in the towel. But if you think it's the disease that in some small or large part did this, it may be worth it to try counseling, meet with a priest, take a week or even weekend retreat with your spouse to see if you can reconnect. You've mentioned some times and things he's done that do show love and devotion, but he must seek his support, outlet and time off from all cancer all the time via a healthy and non toxic means. Support from another woman is not considerate or loving. Get a hobby, get guy friends or commin couple friends to help you both focus on you two as a unit. You deserve a break from this stress, but honestly si does he. It's just important you guys get that break together in a healthy way. I wish you the best of luck and peace.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited February 2016

    Hi Ladies! So, things were going good or I should say as good as can be expected. We have been working on re-connecting and getting on with life. The other day I blew up on him over eyebrows, yes eyebrows. I have been feeling very down on myself lately, questioning everything about my personality to my appearance, so I decided that I need a make over. I started wearing makeup again and trying to look more polished, not for anyone else, but for myself. Figured if I looked better, I might feel better. So anyway, I get my eyebrows shaped and dyed (they are so light you can't see them). I meet up with some women from the girls school and they are all going on about how the eyebrows light up my face and so on. That evening he doesn't notice a damn thing. So I mention the reaction I got from everyone. He looks at me and says, yeah you don't have that point anymore, he meant a high arch which I never had, but his "girlfriend" has. So I was hurt, didn't say anything ,just wanted to go to bed. He pushes me to tell him why I am so down, so I tell him. He doesn't get what I was angry about. He can't believe we are fighting over eyebrows. He doesn't get that it isn't the eyebrows, its the fact that he confused my facial features with hers. I know he loves me, he has been so loving and caring, but then something stupid like this comes up and I am back to the start of all of this.

    I don't know how to move forward. I honestly do not trust him to not hurt me again. I wake up most mornings crying or feeling down. I want to move on, but lack the ability to forgive him for his transgressions especially since he thinks he did nothing wrong. I hate the fact that he sees this woman at work every day, he says he only sees her here or there but I know that is BS. He lies to me to "protect" me and himself but he continues to have a relationship with her because he is her boss. He has to communicate with her.


  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    (((SoAlone))) It is going to take a lot of time for you to trust him again. A lot of effort on BOTH of you to not throw things in each others faces. I know how bad you feel about yourself right now. I have been there. Believe me when I say that men just don't see things the way we do. We agonize over details that they never even give a seconds thought to. Moving forward means working through this even if it means working with your counselor on how you feel about yourself. Also, I am not sure you will ever feel "safe" because of his work environment. I think you are going to have to decide what you can live with and how important your marriage is to you.

  • tangandchris
    tangandchris Member Posts: 1,855
    edited February 2016

    SoAlone

    I have some experience in dealing with these issues and one thing that I made a huge difference was when dh acknowledged he was wrong and acknowledged that his actions hurt me. Without that I don't know that I could move forward and try forgive him. How can you forgive someone who doesn't think they did anything wrong? We both went to support groups during this time and they were very helpful for us....this was at our church.

    This all happened before cancer came to town and I just can't even imagine how bad it would have been during cancer.

    I strongly believe though that w/o him realizing he was wrong it will be very difficult to move forward.

    take care and wishing you the best ((hugs))

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited February 2016

    I completely agree with tangandchris. Hugs to you!

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited February 2016

    Hi Soalone!

    There are some people who sometimes can't ID what detail caused/created a change in appearance. Especially if the change made you look the way (in their mind) you're "supposed to look." He may not have realized it was the eyebrows, but he might have noticed that you looked especially "nice," "rested," "pretty" or something else.

    Maybe your husband is one of those? (I say that as a woman who sometimes doesn't notice when my father--who was perfectly clean-shaven his entire life--has cleaned up his now-usual "scruffy" look. It's always a disappointment to him that I don't notice. But I honestly have it engrained that clean-shaven is how he's supposed to look. What I notice is the "scruff" when he has it, while silently wishing he'd get rid of it! (When he calls it to my attention, I can only apologize and explain that he now looks the way I think he always should. And that he looks wonderful.)

    Note that I always notice clothes (and on a woman makeup), but shaving on my Dad? What can I say...

    If you think your husband might be one of those, asking him if he's noticed (without telling him what you want him to notice) is setting a trap for him (and you). And setting the two of you up for an argument. Yes, tell him about it. But tell him that "comparisons are odious"--there's almost no comparison that will lead to a happy mood between the two of you.

    This sounds like a perception/behavior issue that a couples' therapist could help you two with. You need to develop your "scripts." The unspoken script you're using right now (in your mind) sounds like:

    You think: I want to feel better..maybe updating my look adding makeup will make me feel better. [So you do those things...think you look better and consequently feel better.]

    You hear: Women/Girls @ School: Say they see the change and tell you how it enhances your look. Now you're focused on getting a similar response from your husband. But he doesn't give you the response you're looking for.

    Note that he may have been desperately thrashing around looking for something to say about eyebrows at that point. So he says he noticed that you didn't have a high arch. (Notice that he didn't even have the words to describe eyebrows!) [Did he really say he was confusing your face with "hers"??? or is that something you assumed?

    What he needs to learn to say is what I suspect you really wanted to hear. Something like: "I thought you looked particularly nice/pretty/happy...but I didn't realize it was eyebrows that made the difference. Love you!"

    But you need to give him a break if he's not the kind who notices specific details of dress/grooming.

    Practicing these sorts of dialogs with a couples counselor can help you find a way to express the ways you each feel, and what you want/need from your partner in response.

    HTH (best wishes)!

    LisaAlissa

    Eta: "as" in parenthetical in second para. I'm the woman who keeps not noticing my Dad has shaved.





  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2016

    SoAlone, I can understand how you feel. First, continue doing those things to make yourself feel better. It is a terrific idea. Btw, I have eyebrow envy; after chemo, my brows never went back to their old self and I have these scrawny things. So I know what a difference it makes when they look good.

    Girlfriends and women in general will act differently about things. Your husband, having been married to you for so long, is probably not going to automatically notice something subtle as eyebrows. My husband never would. You feel your husband is mixed up over yours vs her appearance. You can be pissed about it. You can still guard your feelings so you don't get hurt. But I think you still need to give this more time.

    Maybe you are just experiencing a set back. It still has only been about a month since your original post. You may find you take two steps forward and one step back. It is going to take more time, and you just have to give it that time. Continue to do things to reconnect but don't expect everything to be perfectly rosy. You are still figuring out things along the way as you move forward. It's okay to doubt yourself, doubt your marriage, but it sounds like you are both trying. Continue doing things for yourself that make you feel good.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited February 2016

    Things are up and down depending on the day with us. The whole eyebrow thing was silly, but he was an ass. He had called me earlier that day while I was getting them done, so he knew I was at the threading place. I told him about all the compliments I received during the day. He knew, just didn't want to acknowledge. He didn't think I needed to hear from him that my face looked brighter, because to him eyebrows don't make a difference.

    The other day, we went at it again, this time because the "other woman" texted him that she is being promoted. I was thrilled! Because with promotions, there are transfers, normally you do not remain in your current dept. So I made a comment, like, I hope you aren't going to try to retain her. He went off the deep end on that. We started yelling and bringing everything up again. He didn't like that I was telling him what to do at work. He's right, and I admitted, I had no business telling him how to run his dept and who he wants to employ, but, and its a big but, he has no right to bring work home with him and by that I mean once he is home, no more answering the work phone, texts or emails. He wants to keep her close, thats fine, keep her at work. I am curious to see how this pans out, he said that she may not take the promotion because with a transfer, there are no guarantees as to what her hours will be or days off and she has a 6 month old at home. I don't know how I feel about her turning down a promotion and a $15k raise so that she can remain under his protective wing. He still doesn't think he did anything wrong, they are only friends after all, and I am blowing everything out of proportion!

    Anyway, today the bitch called him while we were out to dinner. But, he looked at the phone, saw it was her and didn't answer it. He said she was probably calling because she had to work today and there was probably an issue. BTW, thats bs because if it was important, she would have left a voice mail or texted him that she needed to speak to him and would have mentioned what the work issue was. Regardless, I am seeing progress because when I asked who it was, he told me and he didn't bother to call her back to see what she needed. We came home, he put his phone on the charger and hasn't touched it since. He said he needs to learn to not be tied to his work phone 24/7 and since we were out as a family, it wasn't appropriate for him to carry on a conversation with anyone else, especially her. So we have progress. I am happy with it. Down side to that was that since he was ignoring his phone, his dad texted him and it was important. He/we need to come up with a better system than ignoring the phone, sometimes it is someone or something that needs to be addressed asap.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited February 2016

    SoAlone, that sounds like progress. It sounds like your husband is starting to find that new balance and realizing he doesn't have to be tied to the job.

    If this chick turns down a promotion making 15k more she is an Idiot!

    I totally love that you referred to her as a bitch. That is the fighting side of you, the confident side. That's where you want to be.

    Can't your husband program a specific ring tone or notification tone for different peole on his phone? Then he'd know if it was a family member orthe job trying to reach him.

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited February 2016

    wait...this woman works for your husband directly? He's her boss

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited February 2016

    Tresjoli, yes he is her boss, not direct report, but 2 levels above her.


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