Prolia and Metformin

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Jenwith4kids
Jenwith4kids Member Posts: 635
edited February 2016 in Stage III Breast Cancer

Has anyone heard that either or both of these meds reduce recurrence?

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  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited January 2016

    I take Metformin. There is alot of info out there and clinical trials are ongoing.

    I talked my family doctor into prescribing it for me. I've been on it 2 years.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited January 2016

    I take metformin too. I was in a short clinical trial involving metformin and asked my onc to keep me on it, based on research "leanings" that seem to point toward reduction of recurrence.

    The generic name for Prolia is denosumab, which is a bisphosphonate drug like Zometa or Boniva, and it helps strengthen bones. At the beginning of chemo I was on a clinical trial with denosumab too! There's growing evidence that a bisphosphonate drug helps prevent bone mets. I convinced my onc to start me on Zometa last fall.

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited January 2016

    I just had my first appt. yesterday with a bone specialist as a result of osteopenia, almost osteoporosis especially in my lower lumbar area. I suspected that a bisphosphonate would be prescribed and yes~~prolia. My MO made the suggestion quite awhile ago but I was not keen then and had not been on anastrozole that long. Now it is almost 3 years and there is more degeneration so I said yes and will start as soon as I have the required blood work. But my MO back then made reference to it possible helping against recurrence. The endocrinologist (specialty in bone disease) said that at the San Antonio conference last month that a 5 year study has come out saying that there is evidence that it also helps to prevent recurrence. I have not yet had time to look up the abstract but will.

  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited January 2016
  • Selizabeth12
    Selizabeth12 Member Posts: 18
    edited January 2016

    I'm interested in metformin for my mom. For those of you who mentioned that you are taking it now- how did you convince your doctors to prescribe it without being diabetic?

    Should we schedule an appointment with her general doctor or her oncologist to discuss? My mom's onc has never suggested any preventative measures other than the standard protocol. I've had to do hours and hours of research and bring all of my findings of any preventativedrugs and clinical trial openings to his attention and ask for permission and even then it feels like he is extremely reluctant to agree with me and prescribe medications that have shown to improve survival. Thankfully he was willing to allow her to receive zometa every 6 months after asking multiple times. I was hoping for monthly or quarterly zometa infusions but I guess I'll take what I can get.

    My mom is also currently participating in the Neuvax trial so entering into a study featuring metformin is not an option unfortunately.

  • sandcastle
    sandcastle Member Posts: 587
    edited January 2016

    I, have been on Metformin for about 15 years.....Still got Cancer.........Liz

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    Prolia is actually not a bisphosphanate, it is a monoclonal antibody drug. Bisphosphanates - oral drugs like Actonel, Fosamax, and Boniva - and the IV drug Reclast - work to strengthen the bones by coating them, sometimes causing a lack of elasticity and subsequent fracture. Prolia (denosumab, same drug as Xgeva, but a different dosing schedule), works for menopausal patients by slowing the old bone removal mechanism which allows the new bone creation to catch up. Both bisphosphanates and denosumab have shown that stronger bone density is a less hospitable environment for bone mets

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2016

    Selizabeth12: Just yesterday I saw my primary physician for a different issue and had a discussion with him on the recent MD Anderson study results. I requested an rx for metformin. After all the reading I've done about it and discussing the drug with my doc, it seems worth a try. I'm on Medicare and doc said they require I have an A1C blood test before he could prescribe it. My blood sugar has always been borderline high so I don't think I'll have a problem getting it approved. I haven't discussed it yet with my MO but will before I start taking it. Waiting for the test results now.

    Sandcastle: I hear what you're saying but I'm willing to try anything at this point to increase my odds against recurrence. My ER+ percentage is only 25%. Although I'm taking Arimidex, I feel something else must also be fueling the cancer cells and the research about blood sugar makes sense to me.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited January 2016

    For all of you interested in taking Metformin.... I take a supplement that mimics its affect. Its called Glycol X. It helps regulate blood sugars which is the key factor as to why Metformin possibly works to reduce recurrence. Im taking a more holistic approach to treatment. Please feel free to private message me if you want to talk details. Good luck to you all....

  • Selizabeth12
    Selizabeth12 Member Posts: 18
    edited January 2016

    Does anyone know how/if it reacts with femara?

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited January 2016

    I've heard about these studies. Both my MO and PCP declined a prescription request because my blood sugar and bone density are "better than normal for my age". I can only hope that it means that neither of them would have helped me anyway.

  • Maggs09
    Maggs09 Member Posts: 193
    edited January 2016

    I take both: metformin and Zometa (every 6 months by IV), no issues with tolerating either one.

    I have to say, that with Zometa I had a great improvement in bone density, hopefully my onc will let me continue past 3 years.

    Maggs

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited January 2016

    Maggs - Just wanted to say hello!  Glad to see you!  I always

    have you to thank for your encouragement about being proactive about getting on Metformin.

    As for how did I convince my GP - I sat down and talked with her,

    told her to research it, she did, then prescribed it for me.   

    Denise

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2016

    What dosage of Metformin are people using?

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited January 2016

    Met can be a wonderful drug for diabetics. Be aware that it can cause diarrhea. Then ask for the extended release, and take with food. Can help with weight loss too.

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited January 2016

    SpecialK, you are right of course about the Prolia. I will have my first injection tomorrow afternoon.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    marianelizabeth - I have been on Prolia for several years and it has been great for me, with zero side effects. I was osteopenic prior to breast cancer diagnosis due to an early hyst/ooph.  I remained stable until chemo and AI drugs which took me to the brink of osteoporosis.  Prolia reversed me back to normal density by the fifth injection, where I remain. Good luck!

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited January 2016

    I take 500 mg metformin twice a day. No side effects that I can think of.

    I had my first Zometa infusion last fall and was surprised how miserable it made me for a couple of days. Low fever, aching bones...not enough to stay home from work but enough to grizzle and moan a bit. I hope my next infusion takes it easier on me, but like the various aches and owies from Femara, I'll put up with it gladly. It's one more weapon in my arsenal against BC.

  • etnasgrl
    etnasgrl Member Posts: 650
    edited January 2016

    I've been reading up on Metformin and it sounds VERY promising!
    I have an appointment with my MO in February, once I've completed rads and will ask him about a prescription for it then.

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited January 2016

    sbelizabeth - the first Zometa infusion is typically miserable, and then the side effects decrease rapidly with each subesquent infusion.

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited January 2016
    My research shows that 850 mg. twice a day is being used in the studies. I've been taking some dosage of Metformin for almost four years now. I just finished my 5th Zometa.
  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited January 2016

    Clarice, thanks for the encouragement. I've been dreading my March appointment. Hopefully it will be better this time!

  • lintrollerderby
    lintrollerderby Member Posts: 483
    edited January 2016

    I'm on Metformin. My PCP was on board because she had already heard the talk from the clinical trials, but when she wrote the prescription, she said, "this is for your PCOS. Wink Wink."

    I really do have PCOS and she knows it, but it just made her feel better to have the rationale for prescribing it.

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited January 2016

    I had my first prolia s/c injection today and do not anticipate any bad S/E and hope for good effects!


  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited February 2016

    I also take both Metformin and Zometa. My mo said she agrees to do Zometa for three years---I want it longer--anyone have research that shows it's ok beyond three years? I need to ask her why only 3 years. Does anyone know here to why only 3 years

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