Paravertebral Nerve Block and Propofol

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  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Hi,

    There are a bunch of video's on youtube that demonstrate how the PVB and pecs blocks are done, if anyone wants to see the nuts and bolts of it. It does seem that the PVB's are commonly done sitting up, which would explain Solfeo's doctors. But the doctor in the PVB video I'm linking mentions it can be done in the prone, lateral or upright position, and the one comment on the page asks her if it can be done under general anesthesia, to which she answered yes, that's how they do thoracotomy cases, with the patient in the lateral position. (You might have to cut and paste, the links don't seem be showing up live)

    PVB with ultrasound (upright position): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l97p0mbOv1E



    Pecs II block with ultrasound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFWneF4pwOA




  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016

    I just spoke with my anesthesiologist for surgery tomorrow and was told that he and my surgeon are developing an Enhanced Recovery Pathway similar to the one in Wu et al. (for colorectal surgery) that could be used for breast surgery patients. He was very pleased when I asked him to follow this protocol for me :) this includes clear liquids up to 2 hours prior to surgery, the use of PVB and propofol, gabapentin and acetaminophen before surgery, antiemetics and a scopolamine patch to prevent nausea, tramadol and acetaminophen after surgery instead of heavier opioids. I'm beyond pleased that things are working out and want to thank everyone who has posted here and on the other pain threads for telling me about this! I'll post after surgery and let you know how I'm making out.
  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Wow, that is excellent news, Grandma3X! So glad you are going to get an Enhanced Recovery Pathway. Sounds like the best of everything. The scopolamine patch is a good idea, too---I haven't seen that before. Hope it all works like a charm, and your surgery tomorrow goes smoothly, and is as pain free as possible!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2016

    Good Luck Gramma

  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited January 2016

    Excellent grandma3x! Definitely let us know how you do.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016

    I had surgery yesterday afternoon they did the sentinel node injection first. This was very easy so I was all anxious for nothing. The block was placed next and wasn't too bad. I had a dizzy spell when they were near the end and my blood pressure dropped some so they did not give me the full treatment. I was still pretty numb and I'm still numb now. I got the Tylenol/ganapentin/Celebrex dose before treatment as well. On advice from the anesthesiologist I also drank a bottle of Gatorade a few hours before surgery to help prevent nausea and insulin resistance. Not sure if they gave me a dose of kerolac during surgery. I slept through the first night with no pain. They did give Tramadol before I went to sleep last nightand 2 Tylenol this morning. I'm not sure yet if I received any morphine during surgery by will try to find out.

    All in all I think this was a good experience. Thank you all for your post about propofol, PVBs, and opioid-sparing pathways! I took full advantage and feel great this morning.

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    I'm glad you are doing so well, Grandma3X! Thanks for the update. Hope everything continues to go great for you!

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016

    First night at home last night and I slept great in the recliner! I took a Tramadol before bed, woke up at 5 and took Tylenol, but I was not in any pain. I think my pain level has been barely a 1 or 2 (out of 10) since surgery. Today I'm going to try taking a shower :)

    Best wishes to everyone and thanks again for starting this thread! I think it made all the difference for me!
  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Sounds like you are doing great, Grandma3X! I'm really happy for you. Glad you are feeling so little pain.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016
    Now that the mastectomy is out of the way I'm starting to think about the exchange surgery. The anesthetic regimen I had for the mastectomy should help to lower the risk for recurrences, but what about subsequent surgeries? Is there also a risk with those? Or is the risk only associated with removal of the cancerous tissue?
  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    That's a really good question, Grandma3X. Maybe we could get Sas-schatzi to ask Dr. Retsky his thoughts on that.

  • solfeo
    solfeo Member Posts: 838
    edited January 2016

    We asked that when he was here that day and he said it is probably a good idea for reconstruction with regard to ketorolac. I wanted to know if we have to do it in every surgery we have for the rest of our lives. Doesn't it seem like the risk would never completely leave, if the theory that dormant cells are awakened is correct? I have run across women here who have recurred 20 years later. Something has to trigger it at that late date but we will probably never know what.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016
    Thanks, Solfeo - I think I will probably ask for the same anesthetic regimen I had for the mastectomy anyway - I felt minimal pain and no nausea. Today I'm 5 days post-op and have good ROM without taking any pain meds for the past 12 hours.
  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited March 2016

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