Does % ER positive really matter?

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muska
muska Member Posts: 1,195

I often read posts that suggest the higher % ER+ on surgical path report the better response to hormonal treatment is expected to be. Have there been research studies done to support this assumption? Any thoughts?

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  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2016

    Sorry I don't know the answer but will bump it to see if someone else comes along.

  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited January 2016

    this is something I've wondered myself. Will be looking to see what others have to say.

    Nancy

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited January 2016

    My path report doesn't even have % ER+ and %PR+. The percent of immunoreactive nuclei in the tumor cells is assessed visually and reported as follows:
              - The tumor cells stain (> 10% of nuclei stained)
              - Some tumor cells stain (1 to <10% of nuclei stained)
              - Rare tumor cells stain (< 1% of nuclei stained)
              - The tumor cells do not stain (0% of nuclei stained)
    My path reports says "the tumor cells stain for estrogen receptor protein" and " focally, some tumor cells stain for progesterone receptor protein." 

    I didn't discussed this with my MO but I think there is no direct correlation between % ER+ and outcome of hormonal treatments.     

  • Professor50
    Professor50 Member Posts: 220
    edited January 2016

    My MO intimated that the higher the ER percentage the better for responsiveness to hormone therapy. I guess the idea is that if your tumor is made up of cells that went rogue because of estrogen, curbing estrogen should help. Basically, we don't know why the other cells went rogue, right? I imagine that if someone has cancer cells still in her body then the percent ER+ would definitely be expected to relate to responsiveness. I mean hormonal therapy is sometimes not even given if someone is ER-, right?

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited January 2016

    Hi Professor, I hear you but this is an assumption. Have you come across any research on this subject?

  • Professor50
    Professor50 Member Posts: 220
    edited January 2016

    Here's an abstract of a study that examined this issue. The findings seem to indicate that higher ER positivity is associated with more responsiveness to tamoxifen... However, and importantly, hardly anyone int he sample (I think like only 20%) had actually low percentages ER positivity. Most were close to 100% ER+.

    Morgan, D.A., Refalo, N.A., & Cheung, K.L. (2011). Strength of ER-positivity in relation to survival in ER-positive breast cancer treated by adjuvant tamoxifen as sole systemic therapy. Breast, 20, 215-219. Jun;20(3):215-9. doi: 10.1016/j.breast.2010.11.004. Epub 2010 Dec 14.

    Strength of ER-positivity in relation to survival in ER-positive breast cancer treated by adjuvant tamoxifen as sole systemic therapy.

    Abstract

    AIMS:

    Oestrogen receptor (ER) positivity has been shown to be a predictive factor for response to endocrine treatment in breast cancer patients. Following breast surgery, adjuvant treatment is allocated according to various parameters (including Nottingham Prognostic Index (NPI), menopausal status and ER status). Patients whose cancer falls in the same NPI range may receive different adjuvant treatment according to ER status. The aim of our study is to assess whether the degree of ER-positivity, as measured immuno-histochemically by H-score (see definition in "Introduction" section) and percentage of ER-stained cells) has an influence on overall survival (OS) and disease-free survival (DFS) and whether this could be used to help determine adjuvant treatment.

    MATERIALS AND METHODS:

    A review was undertaken of 563 post-menopausal patients receiving adjuvant tamoxifen and no chemotherapy following surgical resection of histologically proven ER-positive breast cancer. The impact of both H-score and percentage of cells staining for ER was assessed using OS and DFS over a 10-year period.

    RESULTS:

    Patients were stratified into 4 groups according to ER H-score, namely those scoring ≤50, 51-100, 100-200, and >200. Ten-year survival was 84% for H-score above 200, 67% for H-score 100-200, 71% for H-score 50-100 and 41% for H-score less than 50 (p<0.001). Ten-year disease-free survival figures were similar, being 84% for H-score above 200, 73% for H-score 100-200, 83% for H-score 51-100 and 28% for H-score less than 50 (p<0.0001).

    CONCLUSIONS:

    The data suggests that patients whose tumours only weakly manifest ER (H-score ≤50) fare less well in the long-term than patients whose tumours show more vigorous ER-staining when treated by endocrine therapy as sole systemic adjuvant treatment. This finding is relevant to decisions about adjuvant systemic therapy.

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited January 2016

    That is very interesting, thank you for posting.

  • DaniellaD
    DaniellaD Member Posts: 273
    edited February 2016

    I'm having some trouble in tamoxifen- but not all the usual side effects. Weight loss, no hot flashes, suppressed immune system, hair loss, cystic acne, depression . I've only been on it for 3 months. I didn't want to take it as my tumor was only 15% er+. Then I figured I'd give it an shot and see how I manage. I don't know what to do and my onc just psuhes tamoxifen. I showed her this study a few months ago and got the same "tamoxifen benefits outweigh the risks" speech. Ugh!

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