Chemo brain from anthracyclines

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mary625
mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
edited December 2015 in Stage III Breast Cancer
I want to discuss this, but I don't quite know in which forum to start. Maybe you've seen the study about anthracycline chemo (adriamycin, doxirubicin, etc.) and its worse effect on the brain than other chemo drugs. It was a small study, but if I read it correctly, all of the women in the anthracycline group tested worse on memory function and in an MRI showed decreased connectivity with the precuneus region of the brain. Also noted was the presence of more psychological distress. It was very clearly stated that they didn't think it was due to AI's.

I'm having a worsening time with certain types of memory such as proper names and nouns, as well as ability to remember a string of tasks or what I came into a room for. I definitely have experienced a lot of psychological distress over the past years due to BC and also other personal problems. The effect of the distress makes me nervous about my employability. Thankfully, I still function well enough with any memory impairment as I started out with a darn good brain!

Anyone else dealing with this and scared? Do you think there's any way to get privately insured disability or SSDI if needed in the future?

I assume you've also seen the study that chemo probably wasn't all that helpful to people with Luminal A. Oh, well. I had neoadjuvant so I could tell that there was improvement...just not a complete pathological response.

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  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited December 2015

    Hi Mary, I had the same chemo as you and didn't notice much impact to memory. The treatment definitely takes a toll psychologically and emotionally so I suspect that some symptoms are the result of being hit by the shock of the diagnosis. And then normal aging should be taken into account as well.

    I was 54 when I started chemo. My job requires a lot of focus and good attention to detail. I worked through chemo and continue working in the same line of business but with increased responsibilities. I just don't think that would be possible if there were any serious impact to brain function from AC.

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
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  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited December 2015

    hi Mary,

    I can also attest to the issues you have. way back shortly after I finished chemo, I researched chemo brain. It is absolutely true that the toxic chemicals we are given affect the delicate brain cells. In short we are all brain damaged. Some have more problems than others, and some just cope better.

    For me I am thankful I am alive, have no regrets about my tx, and simply let go of what I can't remember. It 's actually no longer distressing to me.

  • sugarplum
    sugarplum Member Posts: 318
    edited December 2015

    Mary - I am DEFINITELY affected. I used to be the official "memory" for our family but have had to hand that distinction over to my younger sister. It's hard not to be alarmed when I realize that there are huge chunks of my life that may as well never have happened - sometimes I realize they did after someone tells me about them, but often I just have to take their word for it. As for movie names, actors, musical groups, etc - I am constantly frustrated as they are no longer on the tip of my tongue (although sometimes my brain rewards me with them hours later!). We suspect my dad was starting a slide into Altzheimer's when he died unexpectedly at age 74, so that's in my consciousness as well. I love what Linda is able to say about being grateful & simply letting go. That's something for me to shoot for...

    Julie

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited December 2015

    I work in IT in a fast-paced job that requires a lot of focus, and a lot of details to keep track of. I have definitely noticed a huge change in my ability to add new memories, and retrieve old ones. It's much harder now to focus on complex tasks, or get back to where I was if I am interrupted.

    I'm not on an AI so I can't blame that. I noticed the change toward the end of neo-adjuvant chemo, which had put me into instant menopause. I had my one remaining ovary removed at the same time as my mastectomy. At the time, I chalked up the mental issues I was having to the stress of trying to go through BC and work full-time simultaneously. For the first year following chemo, I had the kind of stress from it that could easily have created these types of cognitive and memory issues. But after that, things calmed down, and I have not spent so much energy worrying about cancer coming back.

    Since then I continue to notice deterioration in my mental abilities. I try to cover it up, because I need to keep this job until I'm ready to retire. I really don't have any idea whether it was from chemo, the oopherectomy, or just normal brain aging. I would think it would have to get a whole lot worse before it would come to disability. Frankly I have my doubts whether I would get anywhere on a disability claim unless the brain damage was so obvious anybody could see it.

    All this and as you say Mary, it looks as though AC+T for luminal A (which I am assumed to be) was not really worth it. But my onc (who always looked on the bright side) said that even though it didn't appear to do much to my visible lesions or lymph nodes, there was a good chance it knocked out smaller things that may have been floating around unseen. But secretly I have always wondered whether that was just to save me from the rage at having gone through all that for no good reason.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited December 2015

    We've also had general anesthesia, which is not easy on the brain.

  • MmeJ
    MmeJ Member Posts: 167
    edited December 2015

    Some of it is related to chemo, some to the normal aging process, some to aftereffects of general anesthesia (I had four sessions of it in 16 months), some of it is stress and the overall emotional landscape of BC, some of it is (I'm convinced) the anti-hormonals, and some of it, according to my friends who are older than I am, the instant - and in my case permanent - menopause. That just has to make a contribution.

    My memory is nowhere near what it was before, but it's better now that I'm a few years out. That some of it is no doubt attributable to menopause makes me feel like I'm less of an outlier, as in age-appropriate.


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