Delaying surgery by 30 days, chemo by 90 days ups mortality risk

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"Action points:

  • Survival odds for women with early breast cancer declined by almost 10% for every 30-day delay in surgery beyond the first 30 days after diagnosis.
  • Delayed time to adjuvant chemotherapy (>91 days after surgery) was associated with adverse outcomes in patients with breast cancer, and was especially detrimental for women with triple-negative breast cancer."

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  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2015

    Two thoughts on this . 1st, the initial diagnosis. Not everyone gets there 1st mamogram on their 40th birthday & exactly 365 days after, year after year. Or how ever else one might be diagnosed. I think there is a 30-90 day variance with most women. So why isn't this a problem also.

    2nd, getting 2nd opinion appts can take time. When I scheduled at a major teaching hospital in the state where I live, I was given an appt 7weeks out. I think it had a lot to do with being grade 1, stage 1. Also, if margins aren't clear or you need an ALND this will delay chemo & RADs.

    I think for some, rushing to make decisions may cause us more harm

  • RebzAmy
    RebzAmy Member Posts: 322
    edited December 2015

    Some tumours can be very very aggressive and can literally spring up over night and grow very very fast - I know mine did - it increased in size loads while I was waiting for all the diagnostics to come back - couldn't start treatment until then and that all took around 30 days all in all for various reasons.

  • doxie
    doxie Member Posts: 1,455
    edited December 2015

    My tumor showed up 5 months after a mammogram. It was just under my skin, so impossible to be missed by the mammogram. In the time it took from me deciding to get it checked out to surgery it had at least quadrupled in size. Mine was aggressive enough to require chemo, but nothing like women with triple negative or HER2+.

    Between reexcission and a mess up with sending tumor tissue out to get the Oncotype score, chemo was bumping up against 90 days. I wasn't too happy about that, but with negative nodes it was probably not an issue.

    So I think there are ranges for safe or unsafe delays in treatment.

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited December 2015

    I'm not sure how this can apply to all stages and grades of BC. Mine was 7mm, too small to feel and very slow growing. My doctors all said it had probably taken about 8 years for it to grow large enough to be seen on a mammogram and all agreed I had plenty of time from the date of diagnosis to get second opinions, get the results for genetic testing (if positive would have changed my choice of what kind of surgery to have) and the results of oncotype test (done w cells from my needle biopsy) before making any decisions. The "safe" timetable for taking action must surely vary based on the aggressiveness of one's BC. Triple negative BC is a lot different than an "indolent" tubular hormone positive one, yet the article seems to make no distinction between types of BC.

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2015

    My friend's sister had the same "team" I did. She had a more aggressive tumor, grade 3 & HER2+. She was treated much more quickly than me. At times I wondered if I really had cancer. No one was in a hurry to do any treatments. My tumors were also probably there a long time before detected.

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited December 2015

    It doesn't say anything about starting hormonal treatment before surgery

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited December 2015

    The article doesn't state this clearly but when it states 30 days from diagnosis, I believe that means from FNA or core needle biopsy diagnosis, not + mammogram findings. There have been other small studies looking at this in the past. We know that you can get microscopic mets to the lymph nodes after biopsy so it makes sense that time elapsed from the time of biopsy to treatment matters.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited December 2015

    My comments relate to the time to surgery paper:

    http://oncology.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?artic...

    I agree that this study likely excluded those in the SEER Medicare database who had received neoadjuvant (pre-surgery) endocrine therapy, because the original article says:

    "They had surgery as first therapy and a definitive surgery date in Medicare claims of 180 days or less after diagnosis."

    In addition, regarding neoadjuvant chemotherapy, it is stated:

    "Patients receiving neoadjuvant chemotherapy were excluded, and chemotherapy and radiotherapy use were defined as being administered if given 1 year or less after surgery."

    Regarding the definition of "diagnosis date", it isn't stated very clearly, but it seems like a biopsy date:

    "The diagnosis date, used as the preoperative interval start date, was determined by using SEER clinical diagnosis date (which only consists of a month and year) and searching for the first biopsy date during that month or the subsequent month. Patients were excluded who had no such discernable biopsy date."

    BarredOwl

    [Edited to add: With regard to the time to surgery, I do not see any evidence or discussion that the small decreases measured here are due to the biopsy procedure per se. To me, it seems more likely that if the effect observed is real, it is because an invasive cancer left in the body longer has a greater opportunity to spread regionally or to distant site (just as a delay from mis-diagnosis can lead to a later stage at actual diagnosis).

    The patients were Medicare patients, and those younger than 66 years were excluded. The mean age was about 75 yrs old.]

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