metastatic breast cancer stage IV 3 bone mets
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thank you for your post. I have read it over and over and it gives me a little hope. I need to stop reading and listening to all of the negative and focus more on the positive. Maybe I will even rejoin the land of the living. LOL. since all I have been doing is planning for death. Other than doctor appointments i have not left my house in over a month. However, it is difficult when a respected oncologist from a good university says 2 -4 years is the average. The longevity stories I read on here are about the only thing that keeps me from going over the edge. Be assured that I will continue to read and reread your post when times are most difficult. I thank you very much.
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your post gives me hope. I don't know if I will have your luck but at least I have a small amount of hope and for that I thank you!
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lissalou,
The aforementioned Caryn here. My comment is, nonsense! Find an mo who doesn't put an expiration date on your life. Mine never did and neither did many of the oncs of women on this forum. Bone mets can be very manageable snd more tx options are becoming available. As I mentioned, I am 4+ years into stage IV, and I have seen my children married and am awaiting the birth of my second grandchild.
We are all different and there are no guarantees, but if your mo is placing limits on your life, find another who won't. Here's the link RO the thread 50'sgirl mentioned:
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/...
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Lissalou,I am just now catching up on this thread, and just reading all the comments. I agree wholeheartedly with everything said, including the fact that it will get easier. I was Dx in July stage IV right out of the box, and I had ALL those feeling you are having. (Guilt, thinking I had somehow let my family down and have become a "burden". No point in buying anything for myself, it's a waste of money. Odd being in crowded places and feeling like I didn't belong anymore.) I have found that none of that is true! I belong here as much as any other human, I worked hard my whole life, I deserve to buy nice things or use whatever benefits I can get. I try not to go overboard with the extra bills coming in, but they will be there waiting for probably the rest of my life, so what's the point in stressing about it?
The exact thing can happen to anyone in my family through no fault of their own. 50's girl has said it so well. (So sorry 50"s to hear of your DH having to join this fight as well) But you wrote a very lovely statement about family and how we support and stick by each other. Who cares about gifts or money? It's all about family, friends and time spent together. I would go to the ends of the earth for my DH no matter what. He would do the same for me. Lissalou, You have to forget the 2.5 to 5 years thing! If you dwell on that as truth, when no one really knows in fact, you will rob yourself of ANY kind of life you have today right now.
Yes, I still have moments of sheer panic, sadness, regret blah, blah, blah.....But most days I work full time, cook for my family, just went to The Nutcracker! Your family needs you to be present as much as ever before regardless of your health. You have got to have faith that you will still will realize a ton of those dreams and hopes and wishes. Take one day at timeI
I gotta say Kaymic, that green bananas comment gave me the best laugh of the day!
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The oncs have to give you the "official" stats but they're junk! I am almost at 4 years! I don't plan on going anywhere! That would mean I have a year to go. No way! Especially with bone only. I have seen so many women survive way worse. You may be very surprised when you find yourself holding that grandbaby!
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I've been pretty quiet out here but have to speak up...I am 50, I was diagnosed on November 28 of '14 also have it in both breasts, but two different types, I have 5 mets. My Oncologist said 5 years as well. But now when I have my dark days she tells me that I have responded well to treatment and this is a good sign for a better prognosis. I am stable, my scan report went from a page and a half to less than a full page. Mets are gone or healing. I have 2 sons who are 16 and 14. I live for them. I retired and am learning to live with my new normal. When I was growing up cancer was a death sentence but not anymore, they treat it like a chronic condition. You can do this!
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Lissalou, you have received some fabulous advice. One other thing for you to ponder. When the doc says 2-5 years, he's saying the "average" patient lasts survives four years. What he really means is that the "median" is four years. That half the women live less than four years and half live more.
You might ask him on what data he bases his opinion. I personally think it's hokum, but ask him. See what he says.
In any case, that means that 50% of women live longer than he told you. Why shouldn't that be you? How you respond to your first few treatments should tell the tale.
But. You need to get out of the house. You need to live your life, however long it might be. I admit the first year I had mets we re-wrote our wills, bought a burial plot, figured out our the advanced directive etc. That was two years ago and I know I have many years left.
Hang in there and life will get better.
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thanks to all who have responded. I read your posts daily for encouragement. I hope others find encouragement here as well. I am not yet out of my dark spot but I am working towards becoming less negative. You are all in my thoughts and prayers.
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I was diagnosed the second week of November. now the onc says I have to have a biopsy of one of the spots on my spine before he will start treatment. Has anyone had this done and if so what can I expect. The scheduler said they use a local anesthetic, however, they want me to fast for eight hours prior??? I guess they forgot that i am a diabetic. It has been a month and I still have not received any treatment. I am becoming increasingly angry and frustrated. Is five years really worth all this frustration, stress, tears and money. I am beginning to think the answer is NO. Im sorry but I am particularly out of sorts today. HELP
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I had a bone biopsy, a CT guided needle one, which they did on my sternum, so I was laying there watching them with a big needle!!
They used local anesthetic & while I was nervous, it didn't hurt & we left on a 2 week driving vacation immediately afterward. Because you don't have your diagnosis posted, I'm not sure whether you are stage IV out of the gate or whether this is a recurrence. But either way, they need to know what they are dealing with so they know how to treat it. I'm sure if you tell them that you are diabetic, they can adjust it so that you don't have to fast for 8 hours, I know our hospital has it right on the form that if you are diabetic to call them to discuss.Of course it's worth it. 4 Children & a good husband, you're worth it!
It's very hard at first, but trust me it does get better. When I was told I was stage IV, I thought I was going to die immediately, but then I thought, how can that be when I feel so dang good? The first few months were difficult, but I have gotten over that & decided that I am living my life without cancer stealing one day more than it will. If the best you can do for now is one foot in front of the other, then take that till it gets better & it will. ((hugs)) GG -
I am stage 4 right out of the gate. I had an abnormal mammo in my left breast in may '15, told to come back in 6 months,by November they found cancer in both breasts and bone mets in my spine and a rib. I don't know if the cancer is that fast spreading or did the radiologist in may miss it. either way I am stuck in this nightmare. It just seems like this team does not have its sh t together at all. They treat me as though I have a zit not cancer. I am an lpn who worked in geriatrics for 17 years. believe me if I let this many balls drop I wouldn't have had a job very long . I am embarrassed for some of the "medical professionals" that call me with their explanations and doctors orders and when I question them about it, it is clear they don't have a clue what they are talking about. I do not have a lot of knowledge of breast cancer but I do know that you generally do not have to fast for 8 hours for a "simple needle biopsy". I know that when test are ordered allergies and diagnosis history are the first things a nurse looks at. I believe it may be time to seek a new team even though this may put me in another waiting line. Very angry, very frustrated, very disappointed but most of all terrified. I feel they are robbing me of what little time I have left with their incompetence and passive attitude. Tomorrow I put a call into the Oncologist, not his ma, not his rn and not his np. PS the girl that answers the phone can bite me, Yes I am mad!!
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I'm sorry that you are having a hard time getting some competent answers to your questions. I guess because I have always been treated so well that I just expect that everyone else will be too. I hope that getting mad will get you some answers. If I can help with any other info about a bone biopsy, please don't hesitate to send me a PM or post here. GG
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new question: has anyone ever sued or made an out of court settlement from a related to a misdiagnosis?
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During a routine mammogram (at hospital A) In may of 2015 I was told that my right breast had a cycst and was nothing to worry about but they couldn't get a good picture of my left breast because the spot they were looking at was too close to the chest wall( the cancer isn't even close to my chest wall) and I should return in 6 months for a follow up mammogram. in September 2015 I went to my pcp because of pain in my left breast and he sent me to a surgeon (hospital
on November 13, 2015. The surgeon did a biopsy that day and the next day I found out I had cancer. Then i had a breast mri and they found a spot on the right breast. Then a pet scan was ordered and they found mets in my spine and rib. My question is how did hospital A completely miss cancer in both of my breast. If they couldn't get a clear picture why didn't they send me for a breast mri or 3D imaging then. I have been speaking to a risk management nurse from hospital A and she is sympathetic, however, sympathy doesn't pay the bills. I believe hospital A should be held accountable for the lack of care/negligence. Does anyone have a similar story or any advice. Thank you in advance. Also: I started tamoxifen and am scheduled for ovary removal this month. -
Based on the facts you gave, I don't think you have a great chance of winning a malractice case .
You have to prove that the delay in diagnosis ( which was only 4 months) caused you harm. It is hard to say and I think that you became stage 4 during that time. You may have already been stage 4 in may.
Laurie -
Hi, I think you would not have a great chance of winning a malpractice case. You would have to prove that the delay ( which was only 4 months) caused you harm. It is hard to prove that you became stage 4 during that time. You may have already have been stage 4 in may and the 4 month delay didn't make a difference.
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Sorry that this situation has been so stressful. I don't know much, if anything, about malpractice, other than to say that no imaging is perfect. I had a clean mammo 13 months before my dx, and my bone met was found shortly after that. I don't think any negligence was involved, just imperfect diagnostic tools.
I have had a bone biopsy. In addition to the local anesthesia at the site, I was given IV pain meds and Versed. I don't remember exactly the number of hours, but I couldn't eat before the procedure. I was starved afterwards and they brought me a nice turkey sandwich and some juice. I wolfed it down in record time. As these things go, it was very easy
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I really do feel for you! I'm so sorry. I'm surprised they said 5 years survival. I was diagnosed in 2011. Been on many different drugs due to them not working or not strong enough. When diagnosed I was already at Stage IV breast cancer and had matasctized to the bones. Been with the same doctor for 5 years and she is very involved in research for breast cancer at our hospital. IHad surgeries to remove ovaries and tubes, thyroid, left breast and tumor removed from spine and now have rods and pins holding spine intact. Currently on tamoxifen and Afinitor daily and every three weeks a 1/2 hour fusion of Herceptin. Luckily I have good insurance and savings. I would never complain about my situation or feel sorry for myself since I know there are others out there fighting even harder than me. They are my heroes! I concentrate on others and other things so I don't think of myself. I'm not strong but I do what I can when I can! I'm terminal and until I feel "terminal" I'm keeping on keeping on. I definitely don't dwell on what the future holds. I have a grandbaby, 3 adult loving kids and a doting and caregiving husband. That's all I need.
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lissalou, what purpose does that do to sue? Tho your anger is understandable, I think it is misplaced energy taking on the medical establishment when you should instead spend your energy and time and care on yourself, your life, what your needs are at this point in time. -
Lissalou, I sent you a PM
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good outlook Cab...
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The purpose is to help the hospital that made the error understand that they should advise women with dense breast tissue to go to a facility that can do 3d imaging or breast mri. Obviously the mammogram and ultrasound were not enough for the radiologist to detect the cancer in either of my breast.I As a nurse i know i did not go from cancer free in may 2015 to stage 4 in november of 2015. Also, since due to the fatigue i was unable to continue working i have time to pursue answers from the medical establishment whose negligence has resulted in my terminal diagnosis. My hope is that no other woman or man will sit in a doctors office and be handed a death sentence.
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These ladies all have great stuff to share. I just want to say that I am now 9 years out from my dx of stage 4 denovo. Since I was er+ pr+ doc put me into medical/chemical menopause and started me on Femara. I am still on the same treatment, although had my ovaries removed a few yrs ago. Last week's scans showed clear CT scans and the bone scan was basically good (there is activity but its not doing much and is behaving itself).
I agree that what you are going through is very normal for the circumstances. Just remember to breathe, to treat yourself as you would a friend (with patience, gently, with love) knowing you can come here any time for help, info, questions, crying, complaining/ranting, hugs, shoulders to lean on, laughing (it will happen) at the most inane, stoopit stuff, whatever you feel at the moment. no apologies. Give yourself a break, its ok. I believe you can do anything for 15 minutes at a time, so if you need to, just focus on the next 15 minutes, then the next and the next; it will be ok - not easy, not asked for, not wanted - but ok. And as much as we all have to go through by ourselves, you will never really be alone, you have us.
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lissa, I admire your desire to right a wrong. And you're are so right that you did not simply jump from being cancer free to a stage iv diagnosis in a few short months. It's just that I'm am so cynical in believing that a hospital would agree to changing their protocol without a great deal of resistance on their part, and of course, never any admission of error. Is that something you want to devote your energy to? If women had been successful in suing a medical establishment over this type of misdiagnosis, I think we'd hear of it.
Certainly, if you pursue the matter, I hope your efforts bring about change.
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Divine, I was successful.
I think most women feel the way you do and just don't want to put their energies into it. That's why you don't hear of it much. Its a lot of work and you have to rehash the experience, usually during a very emotional time. That being said, some women thrive on righting a wrong (whether it actually works or not, there is point to be made) and DOING something often makes one feel like they have just a little control over what is happening to them. I was pissed off and I took it out on someone who deserved it. But I would not assume anyone would want to, or for that matter NOT want to, pursue this kind of thing. Its entirely an individual decision.There is no right or wrong.
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Stefajoy, it is great to hear, and I would be interested in learning more about how you successfully sued over a misdiagnosis of breast cancer if you are willing to share.
Reading lissa's posts, she seems to be riding a roller coaster of emotions. That's why I ask about how she wants to spend her energy. Is it worth it her time and effort to file a lawsuit? She must decide for herself.
Lissa, Fwiw, I've just rounded the corner of living with mbc for five, now going into the sixth year dealing with it. I've had a stretch of stability and live a reasonably normal life. No one could say when I was diagnosed how well or poorly I would do with treatment. You simply should not blindly believe the predictions medical professionals give you.
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I am also stage IV with only bone mets. What's the deal with that 2.5 to 5 year prognosis? It does depend on how you respond to treatment, but if you do respond you will probably have many years. I'm four + years from diagnosis and I responded well and my oncologist is predicting 10-15 years now or more. She doesn't know but it looks good right now. I wouldn't take that 2-5 years all that seriously right now. Just pray that you respond well to therapy.
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it's kind of a long story, of course. My gyn sent me to an imaging dept. at a hospital when she felt a lump. They did a mammogram and an ultrasound. The mammo was normal and showed nothing (I had dense breasts). The ultrasound showed a little something. The radiologist felt it and told me it was nothng.he actually DiScouraged me from getting a biopsy. Told me we would watch it for six months. Six months later I returned for a follow up ultra sound. Second radiologist said no change from 6 months prior, therefore it is nothing to worry about and I should go back to my yearly mammogram. Six months later I had a mammo, which came back normal. Three months later I felt a second lump.gyn sent me to a breast surgeon, who did an ultrasound and found two large tumors in my breast. So the first guy didn't biopsy, the second guy didn't biopsy AND said it no longer even needed to be observed. The mammo proved fruitless since it never showed anything in the first place. So, my cancer grew and spread for almost a year and a half. , while I thought I was being diligently watched. Major lymph node involvement and bone mets from the get go, a shortened life span and a forever changed quality of life. All it would have taken was a biopsy early on and it most likely would be a different story.
It was never about the money
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I think the 5 year mark is from outdated findings. Regardless, each individual will respond to tx differently.
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Stef, my gosh, it makes my heart sink to read about what you went thru, how grossly negligent your case was handled. I can only imagine how you feel about it and it's understandable that you wanted/needed to take steps to: first, expose the negligence and second, do what you could so another woman did not suffer the same situation as you. Do you mind if I ask if it was a lengthy process and how you dealt with it emotionally while going thru it? Tho your life was forever changed with a stage iv dx, I am glad that you won your case.
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