Flying
I had a total masectomy with 3 nodes removed on June 24th.I didn't need radiation or chemo...I visit my family in India whenever is possible for me at least once in every 2 yrs ..it's a very long flight from The US ..I have been reading all about wearing sleeves as a precaution ..but on the other hand I read that some studies say that one should not wear sleeves if you don't have the disease ??
Is there a time period when you are at high risk ?....what else can I do ??
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Hi there, I found an older thread that has lots of info, hope this is helpful. I am contemplating flying for the first time since surgery and I am still very unsure if I will actually do it. Nobody seems to really know what the risk percentage is.
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/64/topics...
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hi netrajkr: There are different opinions on this issue. Some say to wear sleeve/gauntlet when flying as a preventive measure,, others say it is not necessary. To me, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. India is a long flight!! Others may not agree with me, but my opinion is to get measured properly for a sleeve and gauntlet,,, wear it an hour or so a day to get used to it before your actual flight,, building up time slowly to the approx. length of your flight. While flying, drink lots of water and stay hydrated. Lift your arm over head and do fist pumps,,, other things recommended on that thread that Jennie mentioned too.
And there is no time period that you are high risk,,, it could happen any time.
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I don’t have lymphedema, but even a SNB puts you at risk (albeit much lower than an axillary dissection), especially if several nodes were removed. My bs’ nurse insisted I get fitted and wear a sleeve & gauntlet for any flight longer than 3 or 4 hrs--and to put it on an hour before and leave it on for an hour after (and spring for a skycap to haul your luggage). If you will be flying two or more legs (as you and I will), keep it on during the layover. Try to wash it sometime during your stay. You might be able to be fitted for one off-the-rack, as was I.
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Studies on this question are controversial, and here's a discussion of that controversy:
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Controversial%20Stu...
My LE is quite mild (fortunately), but I do know that the first time I became aware I had a problem was after cross-country flights followed by a high-energy, arm-pumping, one-hour cardio session. In retrospect, I probably added insult to injury by doing both that same day. I don't believe that flight 'caused' my LE, as I soon recognized the more subtle, sub-clinical symptoms that I'd been feeling for quite some time without understanding that they were LE (heaviness, mild and constant ache, more pronounced after activity and during barometric changes). But that famous flight + cardio day triggered visible swelling for the first time. That's my experience, and it's just anecdotal, which is about the sum of many of the 'studies' about LE and all kinds of trigger risks. We cannot generalize our experiences, other than to realize that LE can develop or flare after flight and after many other activities. The degree of risk for any one person is not possible to predict.
I wear compression while flying, which for me is on average more than a hundred flights each year. A big eye-opener to me is watching what happens to those flimsy plastic water bottles (think Aquafina or Dasani) if half-empty during the flight. They sure do change shape! Cabins are pressurized to about 8,000 feet, and most of us experience LE flares when driving through mountains or experiencing other changes of altitude or barometric pressure. The contorted water bottle during flight always makes me wonder what's going on under my skin, with my delicate lymphatic vessels. I like to think that the compression sleeve and gauntlet help to minimize the effects of the in-cabin pressure changes.
netrajkr, there remains a huge question on whether it's wise to wear a sleeve if you do not already have LE. I would say to pay close attention to how your arm feels-heaviness, tingly feeling, low-level burning feeling, weakness, jewelry feels tight but you haven't gained weight. Also watch for any tender, raw, puffy, burning-sensation areas on your trunk, which can signal truncal LE. If you feel you have any of these sub-clinical symptoms, get to a certified LE therapist pronto, and then for sure wear compression, including hand protection and a compression tee shirt, during that long series of flights. If no symptoms at all, it's a harder question. With 3 nodes out there's still risk of LE, although that risk is small.
I've never seen any study that convinced me that wearing compression causes LE, if you don't already have it. There's just so much that we don't know about this condition.
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Thank you all ..I got the Prescription but my insurance doesn't cover sleeves and gauntlet if one doesn't have Lymphedema..I'm Looking online ..is there any place where I should look for ..?My prosthesis fitter advised my the brand Juzo
I'm trying to be careful and having all the information I can..It's the fear that sometimes takes the best of me..Visting India used to be the most exciting vacation for me .
It's so comforting to have a place like this where you can actually share what you feel ..Thank you so much again ..
Carol57 the symptoms you are talking about . Did you feel that in any specific part or in the whole arm? Did it come and go or how frequent it was ? Or it was all the time?
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This is an interesting topic. I had only one sentinel node removed...but asked my PS about flying in March, if that would trigger Lymphedema. She said I could wear a sleeve if I wanted...but that flight does not increase risk of developing lymphedema. PS does the surgery to treat this and has spoken/written on the condition. She said flight may bring on symptoms in undiagnosed LE, but they have studied rates of stewardesses with breast cancer and there was no difference in rates of those developing LE with others.
No bug bites, air flight, sunburns, needle pricks, hot tubs, overexertion....So, I wonder how much of the preventative measures really prevent...but rather just delay onset of symptoms? I suppose we want to prevent if we can...but I think the real causal factors are the surgeries and treatments that go along with the cancer. I guess I'm not sure there is anything we can do to prevent or cause this affliction on ourselves. I pray I have an uneventful (LE free) flight and week in Florida at Disneyworld!!!!
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netrajkr, the tingling, aching and other symptoms are not constant, but quite frequent. Symptoms are triggered by repetitive arm exercise, changes in altitude or barometric pressure, hot weather, and often for no obvious reason. My upper arm is generally what bugs me
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lessharp, the whole question really is clear as mud. I had not heard of a study of flight attendants, which does sound like an intelligent way to help answer the question. I'd like to read that study
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Carol, I will ask my PS next time I see her. She offered to show me the study my last visit...but we all got sidetracked. My PS has a hand surgeon in her office...and she had him give me a free exam.,(I have lingering wrist pain and numbness in both wrists and my right forearm...pre-existing the cancer and treatments! :-) and I left the office forgetting to get a copy of the study.
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I had 4 nodes out (2 sentinel and 2 non-sentinel that “tagged along.” all negative). My hands are equally wrinkly, ring on R hand still comes off easily; but in the past couple of days I noticed a tight feeling and tender spot on the inside of my forearm if I torque it outward while extended. 48 hrs. from now I will be over the Atlantic, so will definitely be wearing my sleeve & gauntlet (and glad I had one fitted--despite the provider not accepting my insurance, it wasn’t all that expensive). What bums me out is that my days of non-medical massages, saunas, hot tubs and schvitzes are over--that all I have to look forward to after a workout (with sleeve & gauntlet on) is just a shower and maybe a smoothie. On the bright side, I can go to a cheaper gym without those amenities, but meanwhile, my cruise ship will have a major spa....which I won’t be able to use except for facials.
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try lymphedemaproducts.com or metromedicalonline.com
Did you get your measurements from the fitter? it is best if you have someone professional measure you and help you with the correct fitting the first time.
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lessharp study of flight attendants ..that's I have never heard before .I'd too like to read that too..
Glennie19 yes I got measured by a professional fitter ..
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Gloves or gauntlet which one should I buy??I don't have any plans to visit India for now .. But as my whole family lives there..You never know what's coming next ..I want to be ready if I have to fly in case of emergency ..If I buy now should I start wearing it for few hours??
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I was prescribed a gauntlet, but several LE websites suggest a glove is better as it keeps finger swelling down. I wore my sleeve/gauntlet set from 1 hr pre-flight till I checked into my Rome hotel an hr after landing. Turns out I could've removed them after being at Schipol Airport, as we had a 2-hr layover and the flight to Rome was only 2 hrs. No swelling whatsoever, though I seem to have mild cording. Will not put the set back on in Barcelona, but wait till an hour before the flight to Detroit. 2-hr layover there, so can take it off before the last short hop to Chicago.
I will likely get a custom sleeve-glove set made, as I have two European trips planned for 2016. My Medigap will cover most of it
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Another important consideration besides the correct measurements is getting the correct compression level. While it seems logical that too light compression could cause swelling - the opposite is also true for some. High(er) compression can cause swelling if one is pressure sensitive.
I have not flown since LE, but mention the compression level is because with any level compression other than low my hand will puff up HUGE within an hour of putting on glove but does not with low level/compression. (My elbow is my 'bad' area.)
I do have to have custom garments as my arm measurements do not come close to what is OTS (Off The Shelf) and my hand is somewhat 'webbed' so OTS gloves cut into the webbing making open sores and very painful.
Have you seen a LymphEdema Therapist (not just a PT or OT who claims to 'know all about LE but does not have the continuing education on LE) to establish a 'baseline' measurements and get education? How to do MLD massage yourself and learn how to wrap (and get supplies) in case you should need to before getting back
I haven't seen anyone mention using there night garment for long flights as opposed to day garments - that would make sense to me (especially for overnight flights) as while sitting on a plane one is more 'passive' in movement than 'active' in movement. As day garments are designed to 'work' when active and night garments to 'work' when passive - makes sense to me. Any thoughts or experiences.
Gloves do not have to cover the entire hand and fingers though they can. Mine only go to just before the first joint. I do have a gauntlet that I use for certain sports but much prefer my gloves the vast majority of time.
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I had a 6 months follow up before Christmas ..My BS said everything is going fine ..She measured my arms too and said no sign or symptoms of Lymphdema..I also don't feel anything that concern me,.When I asked her about wearing sleeve before flying if I Plan to visit India .She said if you don't feel anything like you are right now, that is ,without any present symptoms you shouldn't wear anything ..But you can buy and keep it with you ..if you start feeling heavy or paining the arm you can use it....But wearing a sleeve without any present symptom is very controversial.. Then my husband asked that would it cause any harm if I just wear it ..She said might beand that she wouldn't advise that..😱unless I feel anything..
She didn't ask me take any precaution or didn't advise anything like ..keeps yourself hydrated ,move around while flying ..😱😱
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ChiSandy, my PT/LET allowed hot tub on a cruise as long as I didn't soak too long or keep my arms/shoulders submerged. I don't have any evidence of LE.
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