HIGH GRADE DCIS RECURRENCE

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CHRISTY2
CHRISTY2 Member Posts: 50

Just curious if anyone here has had a recurrence after mastectomy with the initial diagnoses being high grade dcis with comedonecrosis.

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  • helenap
    helenap Member Posts: 105
    edited October 2010

    I am just curious . why a mammogram with DCIS... was the size large.... i had grade 3 comedonecrosis, .45 cm... - did lump and mammosite. and they took 2 nodes..

  • mom3band1g
    mom3band1g Member Posts: 817
    edited October 2010

    If you have a large area of DCIS and especially if you are smal breasted, a mast is your only option.  My DCIS was 6.5cm...literally from nipple to chest wall.  I still needed rads after as my  margins were still not good!  Those with small amounts are able to have a lumpectomy only.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2013

    Generally the recurrence rate after a mastectomy for DCIS is 1% - 2%.  This is a low percentage and therefore it's a small risk.  But of course you have to consider that in the U.S. every year there are about 60,000 women diagnosed with DCIS and about 30% (18,000 women) have mastectomies.  1% of 18,000 is 180 women; 2% is 360 women.  So while a recurrence after a mastectomy for DCIS is low risk, there certainly are women who've had this experience, including some on this board.

  • momof3NH
    momof3NH Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2010

    I in fact I just read a post on this board of a person who had DCIS and a mast. but several years later is stage IV.   Although, it is rare.  I guess not every single cancer cell can always be accounted for.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2010

    If you have a recurrence after an initial diagnosis of DCIS, the recurrence hopefull will be found while the cancer cells are still DCIS, i.e. still non-invasive and unable to spread beyond the breast.  But it's also possible that the recurrence might not be found until the cancer cells have evolved to become invasive.  In that situation, the diagnosis changes from DCIS to IDC and at that point, mets is possible, as it is with any invasive cancer. 

  • CHRISTY2
    CHRISTY2 Member Posts: 50
    edited October 2010

    I had a bilateral mastectomy 1 year ago and all of a sudden about 2-3mo ago I found a lump in my reconstructed breast opposite side of my original DCIS (high grade) It is fairly small maybe the size of a pencil eraser if that. I thought at first maybe fat necrosis but not sure whay it would just start so far out from my surgery. I finally went to the doctor and they ordered a PET scan on Nov. 1st and then I see my surgeon on the 9th. I am just very concerned that maybe some invasive component was missed on my original path report that was not read by a breast expert. They never even put the size of my original area on it. The only thing I know re the size of my original biopsy is from reading the pathology from my mastectomy report where they said the size of my surgical biopsy site was 3.5cm. Am I just being paranoid or should I request my slides and blocks be sent to M.D Anderson for second opinion?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2013

    Christy, when you say that the lump is on the "opposite side of my original DCIS" do you mean the opposite side of the same breast, or the opposite breast?  I'm guessing you mean the opposite breast?

    Breast cancer doesn't move from one breast to the other.  Even invasive breast cancer.  So even if you had a tiny amount of invasive cancer that was missed by the pathologist last time, it wouldn't affect what's happening now in your opposite breast.  So no, there is no reason to send your original slides to M.D. Anderson for a 2nd opinion.

    Hopefully this turns out to be nothing.  But if it turns out to be breast cancer and it is in your other breast, it's a new occurrence.  Even after a mastectomy there is a 1% - 2% chance that breast cancer can develop.  Although our surgeons try to remove all the breast tissue, there will always be a few scrapings of breast tissue left after a mastectomy and breast cancer can develop in that breast tissue.  If I've misinterpreted your comment and you are talking about a lump in your DCIS breast, then if it turns out to be breast cancer, it could either be a recurrence or it could be the development of a new breast cancer.  Both are possibilities.  If it's a recurrence this doesn't mean that some IDC was missed originally.  DCIS can recur after a mastectomy; when it's found, it might still be DCIS or it might have evolved to become IDC.

    Wishing you the best with your PET scan.  And hoping that this turns out to be a false alarm.

  • CHRISTY2
    CHRISTY2 Member Posts: 50
    edited October 2010

    Thank you Bessie for your help. It is in the opposite breast. I am probably just a worry wort lol. If it is fat necrosis the pet will sho that right?

  • brazos58
    brazos58 Member Posts: 261
    edited November 2010

    Bump!

    Sorry I can't answer that question, maybee someone else can.

    Good luck to you and news as well

    Peace

  • BunnyFallon
    BunnyFallon Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2015

    I've been trying to find recent info on this site. I've now had a reoccurance 18.5 years after a Double Mastectomy. High grade, comedo, 1mm, margin.

    I was not prescribed any treatment after the mastectomy. I had expander placed during mastectomy surgery, and permanent inplants place a few months later. The surgeon pushed he permanent inplant down into an area that had not been expanded. I had pain there for years, and had twice gone to see plastic surgen about this pain. He injected Cortozone to soften the area, 

    I recently decided to have this area checked as some mass had formed on it, thinking it was a capsular constructure. The plan was to pull out old inplants, remove mass, and biopsy it, the go forward if all were clear. The sugeron went ahead and placed new inplants, did " fat grafting lipo" to these new inplants, all while knowing the pathology report he received stated " DCIS" . 

    So now I'm confused about how it could be DCIS , outside of removed breast. 

    I have some meeting this week, but am totally confused. Can anyone help with this issue. 

  • april485
    april485 Member Posts: 3,257
    edited November 2015

    bump...hope someone can answer your question BunnyFallon. I don't have any answers for you but bumping might mean someone will see this. I suggest you start your own post so someone definitely sees this cause the original post is over 5 years old! Best to you!

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited November 2015

    Hi Bunny:

    Sorry to hear about that. A mastectomy removes almost all of the breast tissue, but there can still be a small amount of breast tissue remaining and it poses a small risk.

    With smaller margins, if some tiny amount of DCIS was left behind, one possibility is recurrence. Another possibility is that a new area of DCIS has arisen in a small amount of normal breast tissue that was left behind. Please ask your providers about it. (They may not be able to distinguish between a recurrence and new disease with certainty).

    Here is an abstract about residual breast tissue and where it tends to be located:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24366415

    There is another. thread about "recurrence after DCIS mastectomy":

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/106/topic...

    BarredOwl

  • Kroge6
    Kroge6 Member Posts: 14
    edited June 2016

    So how are you doing. I have high grade dcis with the margins not clear. I had a double mastectomy and the doctors are discussing further treatment. Do you feel like the Rt got it all.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited June 2016

    Hi Kroge6:

    This thread is not very active, and relates to recurrence. See this more recently active thread discussion re post-mastectomy radiation with DCIS at or near the margin:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/91/topics/844360?page=1#post_4716912

    BarredOwl

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