Lumpectomy, is this normal?
I am having a lumpectomy on December 10th.
My surgical oncologist explained the procedure to me and then I met with a plastic surgeon. The plastic surgeon told me that once my surgical oncologist is finished with the lumpectomy, he will move in to lift and contour the breast. He will also do a slight reduction on the other breast and a lift as well.
He explained that the radiation I will have after the lumpectomy will possibly shrink the breast, which is why he's going to do a slight reduction in the other breast, so that hopefully both breasts will look even.
This sounds good to me and I'm ready to move forward! However, from everything I'm reading, having a plastic surgeon come in immediately after the lumpectomy to lift and contour the breast(s) is not normal practice. I'm reading that a plastic surgeon does not usually get involved during a lumpectomy, but only during a mastectomy.
Is that right? Or is what I'm having done normal procedure?
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Good Grief, I have never heard of such a thing!!!!! I am SHOCKED and would advise you to RUN as fast as you can in the other direction, they are just trying to make money off of you with what may very well be unnecessary procedures (not to mention the possible complications any surgery can bring as well as pain and discomfort that surgery entails).
I had a lumpectomy & rads and never ever saw, or needed to see, or was advised to see, a plastic surgeon.
* first of all: it takes about a year for the fat to move around & fill in any divets you may have after surgery. You may find (as most people do) that your results are perfectly acceptable to you (and you won't know until you have given it some time).
* second: radiation may shrink your breast, but it may not.....mine actually became slightly fuller (which made up for the removed tissue). Why is the world would you operate on your perfectly good breast without knowing what is going to happen with the other one. You have been given TERRIBLE and to me very, very unethical advice.
* Have the lumpectomy, do the radiation, wait a year, and at that point, if you feel like you need more work done, see a DIFFERENT plastic surgeon......probably at a different clinic if that is how yours works.
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I am with Ruth here: I don't get this at all. I did have a bit of oncoplasty (done by my bs, not by a separate ps) but that was ONLY because I had the nipple removed along with the tumor (it was to cover the area where the nipple had been). BS did a great job and got nice clean margins, which of course is the most important aspect! and there was absolutely NO reason to shape (lift and contour? What the heck?) the lx breast. In clothes, you can't tell at all that I had surgery. Naked, you can only tell because the nipple is gone (even the scar is pretty well hidden because of its location and the fact that I am fairly large chested)! Note that my tumor was larger than yours.
Actually, the clean margins issue raises another question: one can't be certain margins are clean until post surgery pathology reports are finished. Your bs may think it went well, but he or she won't know for certain till that pathology report comes back. So, why would you want to do any lifting and contouring until you knew for sure that a second surgery (to get clean margins) is not necessary?
Granted, I haven't had rads yet (just finished chemo, and will start rads after Thanksgiving) but no one has told me to expect shrinkage. If it does shrink, then I can decide if I want to do something to the other breast, but frankly, I doubt I would want to do anything even if that does happen.
Bottom line: the plastic surgery just makes recovery more difficult and complicated: and based on something that may or may not happen?
I wouldn't got as far as to say 'run' (maybe there is more here we aren't getting) but I would NOT agree to this under any circumstances without a second opinion!
Best of luck!
Octogirl
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Sounds fishy to me too. On the one hand, almost too good to be true--as if they're turning breast cancer into an opportunity for body-sculpting on which you might not have otherwise splurged. Sometimes, if a lumpectomy turns out to be a quadrantectomy or more extensive, an oncoplastic surgeon is brought in to consult with the breast cancer surgeon to map out a plan for the best possible cosmetic and functional result. But on the other, it's insanely irresponsible to go in and create a “perfect pair" before all pathology is in--and in fact, before ruling out genetic mutations that might even warrant prophylactic bilateral mastectomy.
The time to bring in the plastic surgeon, if undergoing lumpectomy and not mastectomy, is definitely NOT while you're still on the table and the only path results available are from a frozen section. It's after clean margins have been confirmed and tumor profile has been definitively determined--and if you are at risk of genetic mutation, after that's been ruled out. And it's after any post-op seromas have resolved or can be safely remediated and your breast has assumed its eventual shape. It's not a given that your operated breast will shrink--a seroma forms to temporarily fill in the cavity where the tumor was removed, and sometimes (as with yours truly), radiation can cause it to swell further and make the breast bigger than the intact one. Scar tissue can also sometimes form to replace the initial seroma--nature seems to abhor a vacuum. And it's irresponsible to subject a healthy breast to the injury of and possible complications from surgically altering it without ruling out the presence of cancer in it, too. This is even if you're game for a lift and reduction--my bs' nurse nixed my suggestion of reduction because of the possibility of seromas, scarring, granulomas and calcifications that could make further diagnostic procedures difficult. Not to mention, where are you going to get blood draws and blood pressure readings if both sides can be in danger of lymphedema? (Even without a SNB, the risk goes up if a seroma forms and remains for more than a few weeks).
And a breast lift (mastipexy) is not a minor procedure--recovery is painful and there will be scarring. (A bilateral reduction mammoplasty leaves an anchor-shaped scar which isn't always well-hidden by cleavage and underbust--and sometimes can be uncomfortable for years). The only reason to do it is if your breasts are so huge that they are causing pain and medical problems unremediated by well-fitting bras. I'm an I or J cup, and never got back or shoulder aches from the size of my breasts.
Someone is hearing cash registers go “ka-ching." Either that or is sexist enough to assume all women want their bodies “perfected."
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etsna, sounds like TOO much. My lumpectomy looks fine, smaller, but not noticeable.
Ask your Breast surgeon why he brought the plastic surgeon in?
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Wow! I am SO glad that I asked you ladies about this!!!
Thankfully, my lumpectomy is not scheduled until December 10th, so I have time to get with my surgical oncologist and discuss this further.
(My surgical oncologist was the one who referred me to the plastic surgeon.) They both, (The surgical oncologist and the plastic surgeon), acted like this was a totally normal way of handling a lumpectomy. It was not until I came here and began to do my own research that I realized it may not be.
I do trust my surgical oncologist very much, so this bothers me.
I'll call MD Anderson on Monday to make an appointment with her for as soon as possible.
Thanks girls! -
Oh and I did have genetic testing done....it all came back negative. I also had a breast MRI that determined there was no cancer in the other breast. I believe ChiSandy brought that up?
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Okay...I got the following from MD Anderson's web site:
If you are considering breast conservation rather than a mastectomy, reconstructive options may be available to improve the cosmetic result. Breast conservation surgery usually involves removing a portion of breast tissue where the cancer is located, followed by radiation therapy. The removal of breast tissue can often leave an indentation or dimple on the breast. This dimple may not be seen until after radiation treatment.
To prevent this, your plastic surgeon may be able to "re-arrange" the remaining breast tissue at the time of the cancer removal. This may leave you with a smaller breast or further scarring. These procedures are referred to as oncoplastic surgery. If this is not an option at the time of your cancer surgery, delayed reconstructive options may be used, such as the latissimus dorsi flap, local tissue flaps and fat grafting.
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With my dx & dealing with intense chemo, then 33 rads, the last thing on my mind was what my left Breast looked like. I realize for some women, having perfect breasts are very important. My BS took a golf ball amount.
I have read of many women struggling with those surgeries. Always surprises me, the pain, the expense, for perfection, on a body part that is covered, well most of the time.
I was 58 at dx. I do "get it" for younger women that are still rockin a string bikini.
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Have you talked with your Rads Dr yet? They can give you a lot of a info based on their specific expertise - radiation - and the potential effect on what is done surgically. Each Dr has expertise in their spectific speciality. Not all Drs know 'everything' about 'everything' for the best TX plan.
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Very mysterious. Have the lumpectomy and radiation, then if you are unhappy after a year or so, further surgery. I had two golf ball-size lumpectomies followed by radiation on a less-than-C-cup breast and you cannot tell at all. Unless your surgeon indicates that due to some technical issue you can expect a disappointing aesthetic result, it is highly unlikely that any of this would be appropriate. Was the ps perhaps thinking of a repair after you have healed from all your treatments and simply neglected to disclose his timeline? As you mention you are being seen at top-rated MD Anderson, I'd guess (and hope) this to be the case.
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Echoing above, I had a lumpectomy and radiation (2009). My right breast is probably a cup smaller than the left but is not at all noticeable, when I am dressed, unless someone is really looking for a difference. My feeling is to wait until you have healed and recovered from rads to see just what, if any, difference there is. Why have surgery if it is not needed?
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I would surely not do anything until I was done with treatment & see how it all pans out & then see how you feel about it, (and then I still, personally, wouldn't do anything....I look fine in clothes & a swimsuit too.....just not perfectly great naked, but who does?). Treatment is crappy enough without adding unnecessary pain and suffering.....for uncertain results.
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Here's something I found in the BCO information pages. The bolded the sentence in the last paragraph that I think is very important:
If you've had lumpectomy (with or without radiation) to remove early-stage breast cancer, you may have a dent, bulge, or other distortion of the breast shape near the surgical site. Or your breast may have a different size or position compared to the other breast.
Because there are so many variables, there is no standard approach to reconstruction after lumpectomy, but there are many options. Because each woman's situation is unique, your reconstruction will be customized based on your previous treatments, your goals, and your cosmetic concerns.
For example, a small dent may be filled in with fat tissue from another area of your body (usually belly or buttocks). This is called lipofilling. A large dent might also be filled in with tissue from your belly, buttocks, or back. A treated breast that is much smaller than the other could be made bigger with an implant; the larger breast also could be reduced and lifted to achieve symmetry. If there are areas of firmness or scarring due to radiation, they often can be removed and then replaced with fat injections or tissue taken from another area.
A plastic surgeon who's experienced in breast reconstruction can work with you to develop a reconstruction plan that addresses all your concerns and goals. Learn about some of your possible options on the Minor Corrections After Reconstruction page.
In some cases, you might consider surgery to bring the breasts into balance. Most plastic surgeons recommend that you wait at least 6 months to 1 year after lumpectomy before having any surgical reconstruction. This allows your tissues to heal and allows any distortion or asymmetry to stabilize. For more information, visit our section on Altering the Opposite Breast.
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Ruthbru, thank you for this article!
Waiting 6 months to 1 year after a lumpectomy makes perfect sense to me! I'm so glad that you shared this because it just confirmed for me that I'm making the right choice by saying no to reconstruction/lift/contour at the time of the lumpectomy.
I just left a message for my surgical oncologist, letting her know that I do NOT want to have any work done to the healthy breast. I just want to go in for the lumpectomy and that's it. Next step, radiation...and THEN I'll consider some type of reconstruction if I can't live with how my breasts look. -
GOOD!!! It is truly what makes the most sense. Good luck on your surgery & let us know how you are doing!
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