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NY30
NY30 Member Posts: 27
edited February 2019 in Just Diagnosed

I'm 36 years old and was just diagnosed on Friday. My parents are on a dream trip of a lifetime to Australia, New Zealand, and Bali, and I'm trying to delay telling them as long as posisble to let them continue to enjoy themselves, or at least when I can give them some more information.

The biggest issue I'm having is that I'm a researcher at heart, and feel utterly uninformed. I had the sonogram and mammogram one week ago Friday, a core needle biopsy this past Wednesday, my primary care physician called with the diagnosis on Friday, and I still don't know any of the details spoken about here. As far as they've gotten is: "you have cancer." She couldn't answer stage, hormone receptive, how quickly it's growing, etc.

I have an MRI and a few surgical consults scheduled for this week and next, which I'm hoping will shed some light, but feeling a bit at a loss for some concrete answers.

I printed out my extremely helpful "guide to your pathology report", and am expecting the report early this week, however, just wondering, who I should be looking to for these answers? My surgeon? Oncologist? Primary care? Radiologist? Are there different questions I should be asking each? Basically trying to understand who is the "quarterback" in the treatment process? Obviously want to take charge of my own care, but want to understand who I can/should look to most here.

Separately, in NYC, and open to any recommendations on a good QB, whoever that may be! Thank you in advance. (PS. I'm not even a football fan, I have no idea why I'm using that analogy, all I could think of!)

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  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited November 2015

    Ask all of the above--but probably not your primary care doc. Demand your path report verbatim--it’s your right. If your health care system has one and you haven’t signed up yet, create an account for its patient portal (most use the “MyChart” web software). The report is probably in there. (If you’re in NYC, unless your primary is wholly unaffiliated you & she probably are part of a larger system with such a portal).

    Dunno about a better QB for NYC (although your Giants just moved ahead of the Saints), but we could use some better defense here in Chicago.

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2015

    Thank you so much ChiSandy. My PCP said the report wouldn't/couldn't be available online, but she's agreed to mail it to me. Should receive early this week I hope and will know more then.

    And have been preoccupied with the world rugby (hazards of a British boyfriend), but will check into it!


  • KCinMN
    KCinMN Member Posts: 81
    edited November 2015

    I was just in your shoes last Spring... I'm sorry you need to be here! :(

    Did your Primary have any recommendations for care? Mine did, fortunately... She sent me to a breast center, and I was quite happy with my initial visits so I stayed there rather than checking into second opinions. My first appt was with a Surgeon, and she's mostly acted as the "QB" in my journey here. Although she determined I should do Chemo first, and referred me to an Oncologist.... (And now that I've done chemo and surgery, I meet with a radiologist next week..)

    Anyway, when my doc called me initially... It was the same. I only heard CANCER! Knew nothing else! Once I met with the surgeon, they started explaining all the details (staging and type and treatment and all that). I didn't tell my family until after I had this figured out. That initial time was the WORST! Once you start planning for fighting, it gets a little easier!

    The boards and ladies on here are a great wealth of encouragement and information! I haven't posted on here a ton, but it's been so helpful to me so far

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited November 2015

    Ask your PCP if she can either fax it (if you have a fax machine at home) or scan it in and e-mail it to you as an attachment. The sooner you have it the better.

    And if you don't already have it, get a looseleaf binder, pre-punched notepaper & dividers (a few with pockets), and a paper punch. I prefer the Levenger Circa system (Staples has a much cheaper identical system called ARC, which I now use) because everything is interchangeable: rings, covers, paper, dividers, etc. and you can add and remove stuff without having to open metal rings--and it folds over on itself, taking up less space. (It uses flanged plastic disks instead). When you outgrow one notebook, you can start another with just a two-buck pair of plastic front & back covers. Whenever you get anything written, punch it and add it (in chronological order w/in its own section). If you get it online, print it out and do the same. Take notes on that lined paper during and/or right after phone conversations with your treatment team. If you have any questions, write them down and add them too. Pocketed dividers are great for pamphlets, bills, receipts and prescriptions. Here are the sections I use: Intro, Journal, Diagnosis, Pre-Op, Post-Op, Oncology, Genetics, Radiation, Bills/Benefits & Receipts, Informational Handouts & Rx, and then a bunch of blank lined pages. I recently added a page of Post-It flags as well as a little neoprene pouch for business cards and parking receipts.

    I carry the binder with me to every treatment appointment, and when I stop for a snack or lunch afterward I update it, including jotting a short notation in the Journal. (I don't carry the punch with me, but insert any pages I get--such as After-Visit Summaries and Appointment Reminders--in the appropriate places and punch them when I get home). If it gets too big to lug around, as mine still will, just start a temporary binder for the aspect or phase of treatment for which you'll be going and carry that with you instead. I am using the 2" plastic discs for the master notebook and 1/2" for the sub-notebooks. Because everything is interchangeable, you can configure and reconfigure to your heart's content, as well as color-code covers & folders and even get more permanent rigid covers.

    Come tax time, this will be invaluable. And once all this is past you, you can look back and marvel at all you went through and survived.

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2015

    Thank you so much KCinMN. Yes, my PCP recommended a surgeon within her network, however, they were the same center who couldn't take me for even a sonogram for another month, so not all that hyped on their care. I have an appointment with their surgeon this week, but hoping to have 1-2 others based on recommendations from these boards this week or next week as well.

    I love the team at the radiology center, they've been great and the Dr. who did my biopsy was amazing. Wish they could be my main team! But doesn't seem to be the case.

    Happy to know I'm not the only one who has been here.

    And thanks ChiSandy, she said they could only mail it (not sure why?) so hopefully will get it by Tuesday/Wednesday and know more.

  • KCinMN
    KCinMN Member Posts: 81
    edited November 2015

    I remember them having to mail my report too. I got it pretty quickly, but by then I met with my Surgeon who had the info and was better able to explain it anyway...

    I wouldn't want to wait too long, so it's great that you have an appt this week and might be able to make others soon.... Hopefully you can get some great recommendations!

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited November 2015

    Hi TaraL. I'm sorry about your diagnosis. I, too, was freaked out about the unknown. I don't know if this will be "right" for you, but here is what I did and what I'd RE-DO if I could:

    1. Keep moving forward and go to your imaging appointments. Become your own advocate, and always ask for earlier appointments if someone cancels. Get your pathology reports. Learn about YOUR cancer. The problem with having your pathology report is that if you have a science brain like mine, the Internet is NOT your friend.... When you Google things, you usually get worst case scenarios and generalizations, and it freaks you out more.

    2. Find a Medical Oncologist (MO), and she/he becomes the person who makes all the calls--your QuarterBack. My breast health specialist was a surgeon who found the tumor, so I let her make all the calls. But, if I had to re-do it, I'd get an MO first because sometimes the MO wants to try a treatment BEFORE surgery (called neoadjuvant therapy, which has been shown to be really helpful for some patients). A surgeon does surgery, so my tumor was gone before the MO could try anything. The MO will tell you all about your cancer and your options. You already know that there is not just one kind of breast cancer, and you want to the the information for your specific kind of cancer.

    2. Have your pathology report and your imaging reports ready and get second and third opinions. Then, choose an MO. If you qualify for the OncotestDX, get that to see if you need chemo. My lymph nodes didn't have cancer, but I needed chemo. Some people have cancer in the lymph nodes but do not need chemo. Keep reminding yourself that CANCER IS NO LONGER A DEATH SENTENCE! It's a very treatable disease now. And then remind yourself of that again.

    3. With your MO and knowledge of your specific tumor ask your questions about your tumor.

    4. Ask the people closest to you what they would do, but make sure YOU make YOUR OWN decision. For me, asking for opinions helped my family feel like they were helping me --really, what else can they do?-- you get different perspectives, and ydecide what give you regrets and/or no regrets. Once I had a plan, I was less freaked out because my science side kicked in to the "Let's get this done" mode.

    5. Execute the plan whether it be surgery, radiation, chemo, targeted therapy, or a combination of things.


    I had surgery and 3 rounds of chemo. I stopped chemo early due to a side effect, but my doctor was fine with it. I am now 10 days into radiation. There are always alternative routes even if you start out down a certain path. Good luck.

  • Skittlegirl
    Skittlegirl Member Posts: 428
    edited November 2015

    My surgeon likes to be the QB for his breast cancer patients. He sent me off to chemo first, but he is part of the breast cancer care alliance at the cancer center, so he works closely with MO and RO and presented my case at their bi-monthly conference to ensure that even the doctors not directly involved in my case agreed with treatment.

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited November 2015

    I'm sorry to hear your news. And you've had great advice as you start this journey-no-one-wants -to-take.

    Just wanted to note that this is only the first pathology report you'll have--pathology report on the biopsy sample.

    When you have surgery, you will have a second pathology report (on the surgical sample) which will (for the most part) supercede the current path report. Larger sample, so a more informative report. Because part of staging is the size of the tumor, the biopsy may not give enough information for that. However it will most likely talk about the "grade," which is a separate metric from "stage."

    Another thing to look for on path reports. Your path report may identify the type of cancer: IDC, DCIS, etc. But there may be different components of your abnormal cells. So they might say (for example) both DCIS and IDC (or invasive anything). You'll (likely) be told whether the treatment will address various types separately, or whether treatment of one will handle the other types noted on the path report as well.

    Once you have your path report, come back and people here will be able to help w/ interp.

    When meeting with various surgeons, consider asking whether they will allow you to record the consultation. It's helpful to be able to go back and listen again. If not, try to take another "set of ears" with you. This is so hard to hear (discussions of your cancer) that it's easy to miss something. Some treatment groups provide a "navigator" who (at your request) will come with you to consults and be a notetaker for you. But best to be able to re-listen yourself.

    HTH,

    LisaAlissa

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited November 2015

    Tara-

    We just want to welcome you to our community here at BCO. We're sorry for the circumstances that have brought you here, but we're glad you've found us. As you can see from the responses you've already gotten, you are not alone, and this community is here for you every step of the way!

    The Mods

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited November 2015

    I know it’s all overwhelming, and therefore it’s easy to be intimidated by authority. But the one thing I learned right away was to refuse to take “No” for an answer, or at least be assertive as possible.

    For example, when I got my screening mammo report in my patient portal inbox the morning after, the hospital’s Center for Breast Health phoned me and told me to call the scheduling desk for an appointment for the diagnostic mammo & possible ultrasound. So I did--and they gave me the first available date....which was when I would already be out of town on business. I told them it was unacceptable, especially since they told me time was of the essence. I was told that if I talked to the supervisor the next morning, she might be able to squeeze me in earlier. Sure enough, I did and they were. When the diagnostic mammo led to an immediate ultrasound which indicated biopsy was necessary, I asked if it was still okay to take my trip and do the core biopsy upon my return two weeks later, and they said it was. Then, the evening of the day after my biopsy, when I got my path results from my gyne’s partner, she told me to call my gyne in the morning for details beyond “IDC, grade 2." Before I could call, my doctor called me the next morning with the news that the tumor was ER+/PR+ and HER2-, and that my next step should be to call the surgeon. She recommended several but told me the one she preferred, and that I should call her scheduler as well as the nurse-navigator assigned to me (find out if your system has one). I made the appointment, met with the surgeon and her nurse (we clicked immediately) and she confirmed my tumor profile was quite favorable and though lumpectomy + rads offered the same survival benefit as mx, it was still up to me. I told her I preferred as noninvasive a surgery as would still be effective, so I wanted lx. I then told her of the Mediterranean cruise we booked for the week before Christmas, and she said that barring complications there was no reason to cancel it. She then said to call her scheduler the next morning for an appt.--but when I did, the scheduler told me she operates only on Fridays and that the next available Friday was a month out! I told her about the cruise and she replied “well, sometimes Dr. Y. trades O.R. time on Wednesdays with other surgeons--call her nurse tomorrow.” I did, and was able to get a date 8 days out. Persistence pays off. The kind of persistence you may be reluctant to exert with, say, customer service lest you be seen as a nag or a pest is entirely appropriate when it’s your life and health at stake. Remember, too, that your doctors work for you and not vice versa. That doesn’t mean you should be irresponsible or noncompliant, but repeat after me:

    “Why, yes--it IS all about me.” If not now, when would it ever be?

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2019

    Good advice Chisandy. I never give up on the first try. Love your posts.

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2015

    Thank you so much for all of the amazing advice and thoughtful responses. Will definitely get my hands on the pathology report today, even if it's going to the office and having them walk me through it. Recording the appointments is such a good idea. I've definitely walked out of every appointment so far thinking I heard/understood, and then realized later I had sort of blurred out most of what they said.

    Looking at everyone's dates, it's so surreal that you have to become such an expert at something you never even thought about before so quickly.

    It's a strange time when strangers are the most comforting people to speak with, but I'm so thankful I found this community so early. I had to shop for new dresses this morning for some events next week, as post-biopsy I need a higher neckline. I ended up telling the stylist I worked with very matter of factly, and he had the near perfect response. On the other hand I also told two girlfriends today, and they are basically trying to "you're going to be fine" over me anytime I mention the "c" word. I tried to explain it's not like Voldemort, that it's ok to say it out loud, and actually they need to let me, as we don't know anything until we know, and I need to be able to say it aloud to someone to make it more real for myself. Long story, short, this helps so much. Thank you.

  • TikkasMom
    TikkasMom Member Posts: 83
    edited November 2015

    You've come to the right place TaraL30 Very informative and comforting people here.

    Good luck

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2015

    Thank you TikkasMom.

    Headed to the MRI now (was able to get an appointment for this morning) and thankfully the women there are extremely comforting and informative as well. Now just for the right oncologist and surgeon and I'll be on my way!

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited November 2015

    Hi Tara. Just private messaged you with some doc recommendations. I would be happy to help you navigate this process. You are in the worse part of this journey. Waiting for results and getting all the facts along with the initial diagnosis is horrible! Things will get better once you know what you are dealing with. The best thing you can do is be informed. You will get a wealth of information and it can be overwhelming at first. Take one day at a time. Im so jealous of the trip your parents are on! I think its very considerate of you to hold back your diagnosis for now. Good luck with the MRI. Please keep us posted.....

  • rainnyc
    rainnyc Member Posts: 1,289
    edited November 2015

    Tara, one big question is which hospitals/networks does your insurance cover? You know of course that this dictates which doctors you have access to. No matter what, cancer is expensive, so even if you have a good plan, you don't want your team to be out of network even if your plan covers that.

    I'm also in NYC and like dtad can give you what info I know about local docs, if that helps.

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2015

    Thank you so much dtad and rainnyc. I will definitely take you up on your recommendations. I have Aetna and thus far most mostly everyone seems to take my plan, which is great. Although just had my first insurance bump in the road as I beat my authorization to the MRI and they couldn't take me. Getting in at another location this afternoon.

    I did however get the pathology report, so starting to fill in some of the blanks. ER+/PR+, grade 2, mixed invasive.

    Extremely thankful I live in the Internet age right about now. Cannot even imagine having to get up to speed, get answers, figure everything out without it.

    And yes, you should see their pictures dtad! There are koalas involved!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2015

    Tara, I see you have gotten excellent help so far. I have to tell you that I so remember being where you are right now. Like you, I couldn't get my hands on information fast enough! I also got the official diagnosis on a Friday and I think I spent the entire weekend on this site. I promptly made my doc office fax me my path report first thing Monday morning. My doc (who I really love) didn't want to give me the info at my appt on that Friday because she didn't want me to google things and get myself all worried. She underestimated me. I'm all about knowledge is power. I want to be able to ask intelligent questions. Unfortunately some doctors only tell you what they think you need to know. I happened to be able to get into a breast surgeon that Monday due to a cancellation (they had initially told me it would be a two week wait!) When I saw the breast surgeon I was able to intelligently discuss my tumor, ask if I could be a candidate for nipple sparing surgery, and what her experience was doing this procedure.

    I've also found that docs are busy and have many patients. You are and should be the most knowledgeable about your pathology. I have had to remind/correct various docs of my test results, whether or not I was pre/post menopausal, etc. One doc couldn't remember if I had a lumpectomy or mastectomy DURING my breast exam (hats off to my surgeons to a job well done. ;) ) So continue being your biggest advocate and research the heck out of every step along the way!

    And I also found out while my mother was on a long awaited trip to Germany to visit relatives with her brother. It was hard not telling her but there was no reason to "ruin" her trip when there was nothing for her to do but worry. She had plenty of time to do that after she got back.

    I'm sorry you are forced to ride this BC train, just hang on tight and I hope your trip isn't too bumpy along the way. It's been 5 years this month for me and it gets more and more in the rear view mirror for me every day. :)

  • windingshores
    windingshores Member Posts: 704
    edited November 2015

    I went directly to the medical records department at the hospital that did my biopsy because they don't have a portal. Otherwise I used patient portals.

    You will want to have a folder of hard copies so you can take records from one doc to another doc.

    If you end up getting second opinions, you will need to be involved in moving specimens around by the way. I got to know all the lab assistants in my city by first name!

    It's tough waiting- sympathies!


  • sandcastle
    sandcastle Member Posts: 587
    edited November 2015

    Since you are in NYC you have a GOOD choice of Hospitals and Doctors......Liz

  • knittingPT
    knittingPT Member Posts: 156
    edited November 2015

    I agree with what everyone has said above. For me, my medical oncologist and his PA were my most helpful resource. You might try to look up the Young Survivor Coalition too. They have a GREAT resource book that helps you organize yourself, provides questions to ask each doctor, etc. The MO also gave me info from the "Bag it" program that was helpful. I was very happy that I met my MO PRIOR to my surgery. We opted to do chemo first. Also, just to give you an idea of what may be coming I had

    (1) US/mammogram which said likely cancer

    (2) breast biopsy

    (3) Genetic testing (results took almost two weeks to come back)

    (4) breast MRI

    (5) PET Scan

    (6) Lymph node biopsy

    All of these occurred over about a 5-6 week period. I did not start treatment until about 6 weeks after the initial US/Mammo (which I had because I felt the lump myself). My MO assured me that it was okay to have that delay so that he and the rest of the tumor board could have all of the info they needed to recommend a treatment course. Our tumor board at the hospital includes all of the treatment docs (surgeons, medical oncologists, radiation oncologists, etc) and they discuss the cases together. This first part of the journey was the scariest for me because I was naive/uneducated about cancer types and because there were so many unknowns that no one could really answer my questions yet. It was anxiety provoking to say the least. Once I got into treatment, my mind settled a little bit. Now that I'm out, I am again kind of processing what happened. Do you have support other than your parents to lean on? These boards are an amazing resource!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2015

    Hi Tara. Just wanted to let you know if you need any help in finding a good team I'd be more than happy to help. (I don't know if you turned your PM on- I sent you a message early this morning.) We are lucky that in NYC we have 4 NCI designated cancer centers. I've decided to have my treatment at NYP Columbia, basically because I was interested in having IORT (Intra-Operative Radiation Therapy done at the time of lumpectomy). The other centers are Perlmutter Cancer Center (NYU Langone), Tisch Cancer Institute (Mt. Sinai) and MSKCC. Your brain must be whirling now, but as others have said, once you make your decision and have a treatment plan it does get easier. Hope this helps a bit, and feel free to PM me if you need to hash all this out. All the best!

    Lynda

  • rainnyc
    rainnyc Member Posts: 1,289
    edited November 2015

    And just to add to what Lynda says above, I elected to be treated at Sloan Kettering and can give you that perspective if it would help. Between us, we've got two of the four covered! Likewise, send me a PM if you want to go into detail.

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