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MusicLover
MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
edited November 2015 in Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results

http://www.kesq.com/news/local-doctor-kills-breast-cancer-with-unique-procedure/35985362

Sueris found this and I just had to create a thread on it hoping that many see this. This is a story on a breast cancer procedure that does not include chemotherapy, radiation nor surgery of course there can not be any spreading of the cancer for this to work. Time will tell if this procedure will truly be successful. If it is this guy will go down in history. The tumor stays with the person, it will be dead but it stays there, I wonder if over time a person's body will make it dissolve? The medical system will loose thousands of dollars on treatment but I think women will want to get tested more often so this procedure would be available to them, not to say that getting screened more often insures that the cancer will be found before it spreads. I also wonder if this procedure is applicable to other solid tumor cancers?

Make sure that you view what is on the second page which includes a small statement that the cancer must be found early. There are also additional videos, two which include statements about deaths from breast cancer.

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  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited November 2015

    Is there a scientific name for this, other than the "Lavender procedure", so readers can verify the legitimacy of this news? i.e. peer reviewed studies, pubmed articles, clinical trial results, etc?

    I understand there have been experiments with liquid nitrogen to freeze cancer cells in a procedure called "Cryotherapy" described here, but it's in experimental phases. Perhaps this technique falls under Cryotherapy.
    I can't imagine this to work effectively in diffuse cancers like Lobular, where neoplastic cells invade the stroma in a single-cell fashion, often without a significant desmoplastic reaction. This is a reason why ILC is often discovered in later stages, which works against Dr. Bretz's requirement of "early stage" detection. (i.e. "Heterogeneity is the cause of treatment failure. The key is to preempt heterogeneity.")

    It sounds interesting and definitely requires deep research to validate the claims. If validated, fabulous!! If not, this news will fit nicely in the "Alternative" section, where Dr. Bretz will be deified. ;)

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  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited November 2015

    JS, I love your insightful posts. I forget about lobular breast cancer some times and I apologize for that. This absolutely sounds risky at this time and the doctor admits he only has 14 patients and has been doing this procedure for only 2 years. Thank you for commenting.

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited November 2015

    Good post, johnsmith. I googled both the procedure and Dr.Brett, and found little beyond the info contained in the link that musiclover post. This is an interesting beginning but I too would love to see clinical trials, peer reviewed studies etc

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  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited November 2015

    Please don't shoot the messenger, remember the

    Full Definition of INCREDIBLE

    1

    : too extraordinary and improbable to be believed <making incredible claims>

    2

    : amazing, extraordinary <incredible skill> <an incredible appetite> <met an incredible woman>

    My motto is knowledge is power.


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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited November 2015

    No shots fired! Just healthy scepticism 😊 .

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  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited November 2015

    Caryn, Me too and I was joking about the shoot the messenger comment. I have to admit I forgot about clinical trials until JS posted, the patient must need to sign some sort of waiver if this is not FDA approved, correct? That is a scary thought but I guess 14 very brave people decided to go for it, not sure that would have been me. I wonder how he reassured the first patient of it's success?

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited November 2015

    Musiclover,

    Yes, they are brave, but remember, people do all sorts of tx, approved, unapproved, trialed or not if they think it will help them and if it fits with their ideas of what they think tx should be, both conventional and alt. As you can see, I am a very committed sceptic :)

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2015

    This looks like regular cryosurgery to me - just used on very small breast tumors that would standardly have lumpectomy and rads.  Cryosurgery is already used for a number of cancers - predominantly skin, some prostate, liver, and cervical.  I have had it a number of times for skin cancer.

    http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/types/surgery/cryosurgery-fact-sheet

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  • MusicLover
    MusicLover Member Posts: 4,225
    edited November 2015

    SpecialK, Yes, I should have said I know that it is used for skin cancer but thank you for posting that link I was not aware of it being used for prostate, liver and cervical cancers. Good info.

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  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited November 2015

    music - using it for small and discrete breast lumps would be excellent if it is something that can work in those specific cases - sounds like progress!

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