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  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited October 2015

    There is a new drug for preventing reoccurance for her2+ . You can check it out in the forum below.

    Topic: Anyone see the phase3 for puma (neratinib)?

    Love, Jean

  • ang7894
    ang7894 Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2015

    I had a mammogram done yesterday, My results just come in negative for cancer another year down !!!

    Winking

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2015
  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited October 2015

    I've been on Arimidex for over 3 years now. Have joint pain and neuropathy. The worst part is trigger fingers. I had a cortisone shot in my dominant hand because my fingers locked when I picked anything up. I had o physically open my grip with y other hand. I have 2 trigger fingers n my left but they don't bother me as much so I didn't get the cortisone shot for them. I have joint pain and neuropathy from other things so can't blame them all on Arimidex. LOL

    I've stuck with it as better the problems I know. I have diabetes and a pacemaker and take meds for the big D still giving me issues 3 years out from chemo. I am low on magnesium and still take 4 supplements a day and still below normal so I feel sluggish. Oh well. I get along pretty well.

    Someone was asking about cutting doses on Carbo. I had to have my TCH cut by 30%. When i asked my MO if it was still going to work he said, and I quote "You have to be ALIVE for any of this to work!" Good point! LOL

    We all do the best we can do with what we've got. My EF dropped from 60% to 42 right after I started Herceptin only so I had to stop after my first H only infusion. Since all the studies show it works best with chemo I have to hope it's enough!

    I just lost my SIL to mets last month so I know anything can happen but I WILL LIVE MY LIFE. I don't know how long I have but then no one really knows that anyway. So ill just live.

    Much love to all


  • Eileenohio
    Eileenohio Member Posts: 460
    edited October 2015

    Congrats Ang.. Love to hear good news..


  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited October 2015

    Good news, Ang! I know I must be crazy, but I really don't mind getting mammograms.

  • ang7894
    ang7894 Member Posts: 540
    edited October 2015

    Thank you! everyone

  • jumbledbamboo
    jumbledbamboo Member Posts: 158
    edited October 2015

    I am still wating for my suppression meds. They are doing a bone density scan first. What does this entail or tell them as far as my options? I am 35.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited October 2015

    The bone density test will provide your MO with a baseline reading of where you're at right now. It will be compared to future readings so that your MO will know whether you need meds to bolster your bone density. I was found to be osteopenic after three months on Aromasin and Zoladex. My MO told me to up my calcium intake at that point.

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited October 2015

    Besides taking calcium and vitamin D, weight bearing exercise like walking is one of the best ways to keep bones strong. Love, Jean

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited October 2015

    As always, check with your doctors particularly your MO before taking any supplements. There has been recurring discussion that is now being revised with recent trial data that anti oxidants speed the growth of cancers. Ask your doctor :)

  • furiosa
    furiosa Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2015

    Hi all,

    I'm newly diagnosed (10/15) with stage II, grade 3, +++ bc. Not quite sure how to dive in here, and generally feeling a bit overwhelmed.

    Treatment plan from the local community hospital's cancer center is neoadjuvant TCHP, then surgery, then rad (depending on type of surgery). I have a second opinion at a nearby academic medical center on Wednesday, but it sounds like the plan I have is pretty much standard of care for this kind of cancer.

    I'm 39, and very worried about the long term effects of chemo and other drugs. Research usually calms my fears, but when I started researching, I thought hair loss was going to be my biggest problem! Now I'm trying to find a balance between being informed and totally freaking myself out. And mostly failing! Ha!

  • zjrosenthal
    zjrosenthal Member Posts: 2,026
    edited October 2015

    Furiosa, we all seem to struggle to find a balance between needing to know and scaring ourselves, especially at first. My only advice is once you choose where to be treated, try to trust your doctors and come on here to share with us. We understand. Love, Jean

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited October 2015

    Furiosa, I understand completely. I have a research brain, and since my diagnosis in early July (followed by a UMX four days later), I've learned more than I ever cared to know about BC, +++ BC in particular. Sometimes I freak myself out to the point of near-paralysis; there's a fine line between full-immersion research/learning and obsessing. I'm still trying to decide what to DO with everything I've learned (I'm a pragmatist in a lot of ways), too. If it matters, I'm 36 and have had similar thoughts/feelings regarding the long-term effects of chemo, but here's the thing: with +++, chemo is a given. We pretty much just have to do it, because the other option is much worse than long-term effects of chemo.

    I second zjrosenthal's sentiments. Build a medical team that you trust, and don't be afraid to ask your questions--that's part of why they're there. Given that the treatment for +++ is relatively standard (the big variables are neo-adjuvant chemo or adjuvant chemo, AC-THP or TCHP as the chemo itself, rads in certain circumstances and not in others), what may be most important for you is feeling a rapport with your MO.

    I, for one, went with the academic medical center, but several factors figured in to that decision. Go with your gut.

    This board has been fantastic. I've learned a ton from reading through this entire thread, and from asking specific questions and getting answers (thanks, SpecialK, Iago, and others!). In short, you're in the right place.


    My own dilemma: I've all but decided to have my other breast removed. I've always had dense, "lumpy" breasts, but I've noticed the remaining one smoothing out since I started chemo, which freaks me out a little. The big question is how to get my insurance company to pay for a surgery that isn't "medically necessary." Since I don't plan to do reconstruction, I wonder if any of you have any advice; perhaps I could pitch it to them with an argument for symmetry? My partner, family, and friends seem to think I'm being a bit over-zealous with this plan--in their minds, we're treating the cancer that was there, so why not just wear a prosthetic?--but losing lumps that I've had for years makes me wonder if those lumps were made of cells that had sinister intentions. Thoughts?

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2015

    kate - I have never imaged well - mammography missed my palpable 2.5cm cancer, and MRI missed my 6mm cancerous node - I had already decided on a BMX - even though my BS offered a lumpectomy, and even though I only had documented cancer in the one side.  I didn't feel I could trust imaging going forward and I didn't know about the positive nodes when I made that decision.  Turned out that I had loads of ADH and ALH in the "prophy" breast - and I had busy breasts for years.  In fact, they had been watching the prophy breast more closely in the lead up to the most recent mammo, not the one that actually had cancer.  I always had multiple cysts in each breast, had a large one adjacent to the tumor, which made self-exam pointless.  I think your plan has merit and is not an overreaction, and if your insurance company covered your original MX they have to cover "symmetry" surgery even if your plan is not to reconstruct.  With an aggressive dx like TP, they shouldn't give you push-back.  Dealing with family and friends is another matter, but unless they have walked in your shoes they won't understand.  This is a decision that you have to make for yourself.

  • ashla
    ashla Member Posts: 1,581
    edited October 2015

    Kate

    There is long established federal law regarding mastectomy and reconstruction. My understanding is that you have legal right to have the other Breast removed and reconstructed

    Don't recall anyone in the forum having a problem with insurance on this matter .

    My Breast surgeon actually told me that if I changed my mind. Now...4 years later..I could have double mastectomy approved by the insurer.

    http://www.cancer.org/treatment/findingandpayingfo...

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2015

    Kate, I'm right there with you! I have my last round of chemo on Nov. 2nd. I'm looking to meet with the surgeon on Oct. 27 (Tues) and I'm already decided on BMX, unless there is some radical change in my MRI after this last round... They found a "shadow" in the good breast when they did my MRI, biopsied and found A-typical cells, but not cancer in that breast. At this point, I can't see having UMX and then waiting to see if the other breast decides it wants to kill me. I'm not going to do reconstruction either, and it's the docs who are giving me push back.... "You're only 47, you're young, do recon" Uh, no. My husband is fine with my choice and so am I, so Tuesday will be an interesting meeting....I agree with Special K, your insurance company shouldn't give you much push back, as it's for symmetry, even if you choose no recon. I'll be praying for you about that....

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited October 2015

    Kate,

    Even though contralateral breast cancer is pretty rare, lots of women choose to have their "healthy" breasts removed. They often do so because like you, they don't trust mammograms or other scans to pick up any new cancers. Some also don't want to get regularly scheduled mammograms and to endure the anxiety that such tests entail. Finally, some want to achieve symmetry -- either matching implants or matching flatness -- in their appearance. Of course, BMX is no guarantee that there won't be a local recurrence because there's always some (small) amount of breast tissue that remains. However, some women who get BMX end up worrying whether they are getting enough "follow-up" care because they no longer see their medical team as often. As a triple positive, you will probably be seeing your medical team plenty, because of that year of Herceptin. By the time you finish that year, you might be happy to have limited interaction with your team.

    For me, I opted for lumpectomy out of sheer laziness. I wanted to have some boobs present but didn't want to undergo reconstruction, which can entail several surgeries. I do have to get mammograms every six months, but that's OK with me. My MO is also a heavy scanner so I will probably have an annual MRI as well. I've always figured that if I have a local recurrence, I can get a mastectomy (or BMX) then. But, once a boob is gone, it's not like you can grow a new one, so I held on to my "healthy" breast.

    Best wishes! I agree with the others; you shouldn't have any problem getting insurance to pay for an additional mastectomy.

  • LakesideWLabs
    LakesideWLabs Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2015

    It's been a long road. I don't post often but please know that I am reading, grateful for your wisdom. I am at the point of treatment where I'm having herceptin only ... Until March. My question is about pain ... Feel like it's everywhere- head to toe. Still have neuropathy that started with the Taxol. Have severe joint/muscle pain and weakness ... So much so that my PC is also treating me for Lyme/ tick borne illness (MO agrees to treat this). Have had 2nd shot (every 3 months) of Lupron to suppress ovaries... And started the AI Aromasin so now headaches and dizziness have started. I am starting acupuncture, love reiki, and committing to practice mindfulness meditation. I'm so sick of talking about how sick I am.... Especially when everyone I know is so happy for me that I'm "almost done" (I know they mean well but this drives me crazy). Pain is so bad I don't know how I'll continue some days. I see my MO this week.... Any recommendations that I should discuss with her

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited October 2015

    Well, definitely tell MO about the joint/muscle pain and weakness, and see what she says. Has it been definitively determined that you have Lyme/tick-born illness? I also developed mild neuropathy on Taxol, but it went away. When are you taking your Aromasin? I have to eat before I take my Aromasin, or I'll have a headache.

  • LakesideWLabs
    LakesideWLabs Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2015

    ElaineTherese, thanks for the tip re food with Aromasin. I'll try that. I had been taking it at night before bed.

    I have been telling my MO, RO, and Primary about the pain which is how they ended up with the lyme designation. At that time the pain felt a lot like lyme (I had it a few years before). They opted to not do any blood tests as they are notoriously inaccurate and instead relied on a clinical diagnosis. My neuropathy got better for a month or two but now is back and really bad at night in my feet. My hips and back are so severe. I've reached my limit!

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited October 2015

    Lakeside,

    I would ask MO about whether or not she could order some scans to try to determine the causes of the hip/back pain. Also, she may be able to refer you to a pain specialist who might have some ideas about how to manage the pain you have. I'm not sure about what can be done about neuropathy. I have a friend who has been diagnosed with Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP) and he's being treated with intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIg) therapy. Best wishes!


  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited October 2015

    Sorry I've been MIA. Went to NYC to meet 2 of the gals in the October 2010 chemo thread. One came all the way from Australia. We had a blast. It was like we were old friends. We were celebrating 5 years of life and more to come.

    FYI I was on Anastrozole for 3+ years before I made the switch to Exemestane. Been on Exemestane for 1.5 years now. Spoke to my MO about the 10 years on AI study. She says that nothing had been released yet. If something significant happened it would be published but it takes time to publish. We might know more at the San Antonio Conference but maybe not. Even though the group may have finished the 10 years on AI we still need to see how they do in subsequent years. I don't believe it's been that long after the 10 years.

    Will be seeing my MO in 6 months. We'll discuss the 5 more years again then but I know she wants me to do the 10 due to tumor size making me high risk for recurrence.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2015

    lago - just the 10-year convo with my MO in June - he wants to do the Breast Cancer Index test to see if it indicates continuing AI benefit for 10 year recurrence prevention.  I am not sure how my insurance company will feel about paying for this, I don't believe it is currently FDA approved - so I have a feeling they will consider it "experimental", but he may have some thoughts about how to get it paid for if they deny.  I did broach the subject of changing to Tamoxifen after five years on AI drugs, but he was meh about it.  He did mention that we have to weigh whether benefit from Femara outweighs any damage it may inflict past the 5 year point.  Here is a link to the BCI test, I am curious about other oncs feeling about it: 

    http://www.answersbeyond5.com/


  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited October 2015

    When I was considering quitting AIs and switching to Tamoxifen my MO's reaction was "Well, it's better than nothing." She really hates Tamoxifen. Let me know if you find out anything about how to get this paid for, or at least some of it. I doubt my insurance (United Health Care) will cover it.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2015

    Will do!  One of the better things about Pinktober here in my area is that organizations are starting to donate directly to oncology treatment facilities to be used for things unpaid for by insurance, and I know my center has one of these funds.  When I first got Prolia they had not yet received the auth from my insurance company, they had me sign up for the drug maker replacement plan - it covered replacement of their supply of Prolia if my insurance company denied payment, so I would not be out of pocket for it. My center's folks seem adept at the workarounds. The Prolia was covered so it was a non-issue, but I know my insurance denied my Mammaprint test early on due to their interpretation that it was "experimental" even though it was FDA approved at the time, so who knows.

  • Amstar15
    Amstar15 Member Posts: 41
    edited October 2015

    First time writer... wife was diagnosed with Triple Positive breast cancer back in May 2015. She went through 6 rounds of TCH and has Herceptin to go every three weeks until next summer.

    Next week we go back and see her OCN about the next steps -- Tamoxifen, etc treatment. I have seen things such as ovary removal and tamoxifen, or zoladex w/adromasin. Just curious to some of the pros and cons of each or other treatments that might be out there for estrogen therapy. Seems to me her OCN is set on Tamoxifen right now.

    Right now being under 40 we (she) isn't real sure about having her ovaries removed (she is BRAC-1 and BRAC-2 negative)

    thanks for your input/insight and keep your head up everyone.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited October 2015

    Amstar a friend of mine is doing Luprin with Anastrozole (generic Arimidex) and doing fine. She's now 54. Can't do Tamoxifen due to blood clots. I switched from Anastrozole to Exemestane (Generic Aromasin) and found the side effects to be less on the Exemestane. I was peri menopausal and kept my ovaries. Be sure to ask about taking a bone density test before making a decision. I was osteopenic before chemo but I felt the Anastrozole/Exemestane, etc had less serious side effects than Tamoxifen and a little more effective. I did not do the ovarian suppression because my oncologist felt I was close enough to menopause she also tested my estridial levels to be sure I stayed in menopause for 5 months.

  • amylsp
    amylsp Member Posts: 188
    edited October 2015

    Last Herceptin today! Port malfunctioned for the first time and they had to inject something to breakdown fibrous tissue buildup. Figures it 'breaks' the last time it gets used.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited October 2015

    Lucky you, Amylsp! Congrats! I'm still weeks away from my final Herceptin. I'm supposed to get an infusion tomorrow, but something went wrong at my local infusion center and I'll have to drive to a different branch in the city. Then, they keep changing the time of my appointment. Argh!

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