DCIS Diagnosis with Second Surgery This Friday. I Need Help.
Hi, everyone, I started in the High Risk forum, where I some great people responded to my post. However, I guess I belong here in the DCIS forum since that is my diagnosis. Since sometime in late July or early August, I have been through mammography, ultrasound, an MRI, additional mammograms preceding surgery, and an excisional needle biopsy. The surgeon spent two hours in an effort to remove what he believed were atypical cells characteristic of carcinoma based on the pathology report. He discovered after surgery that I have DCIS, and he found that the very large tissue sample he took still had margin involvement. My surgery was on a Monday, and his office contacted me five days later, on Friday, to schedule additional surgery. That will mean that I will have undegone two breast surgeries in three weeks, as the surgery is this coming Friday. The nurse who called me did not give me any information or share the pathology report with me. I did some preliminary research and determined that it might be best for me to have a masectomy. I have debilitating fibromyalgia, chronic anxiety, and ADHD. I have difficulty performing the basic functions of life, and I don't think it is a good idea for me to have a lumpectomy followed by six weeks of radiation. I could barely tolerate a series of mammograms that I undewent before surgery that allowed the radiologist to insert a needle and an attached wire into my breast to provide guidance for the surgeon. I was in terrible pain, and I cried and cried. Nobody has told me why the surgeon is in such a hurry. I don't know the most basic questions to ask. I spoke with the Patient Care Coordinator at the hospital where I had the first surgery and other procedures, and she agreed that given my health history and risk profile that a masectomy is a rational decision. I live out in the country, I don't drive, and I don't think that I can afford the expense of radiation even though Medicare will pick up some of the cost. Anyway, I simply don't want radiation. I want to get on with my life, and I don't want multiple surgeries that are exhausting. My mother is dying now from metastatic breast cancer, and she lives with me. So, I guess I need to know what kind of information to extract from the surgeon's office before this coming Friday, what factors may be motivating him to push me to another surgery so quickly, and what else I need to know. I have read about the risk and benefits of lumpectomy vs masectomy. I have read the wonderful document on this site that outlines some basic information on DCIS.
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I was in the same boat as you. I have a mental illness which I knew might not allow me to make all the radiation therapy appointments. It sounds like you need to talk to the BS before you get scheduled for any more surgery.
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I would think the surgeon is motivated to get the remainingDCIS cells out, to assure a negative margin, so that you can move on to radiation. I believe that my RO didn't want to wait more than 6 weeks after my lumpectomy before beginning radiation. However, if you don't want a lumpectomy and radiation - I think you need to simply state that to your breast surgeon. It is a legitimate option that many women choose based on a feeling of "peace of mind" you have several additional reasons - medical, family history of breast cancer, your obligation to care for your mom, the difficulty you will have in keeping your radiation appts. You might want to consider discussing a sentinal node biopsy which is often done just prior to a mastectomy - eventhough it looks like yours is totally dcis - if some invasive cells are found, a sentinal biopsy can't be done AFTER the mastectomy, only before. Call the BS office tomorrow and explain what YOU want. Good luck
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Thank you both for your great and extremely helpful and comforting responses. It is very bizarre that the surgeon never even told me what he planned to do during the second surgery. The nurse simply called to schedule the second surgery and said that the path report showed DCIS that would definitely turn into breast cancer. Yes, I have read about SNB, and I will definitely discuss this topic with the medical team. I am highly irritated at the surgeon for not calling me at all to go over surgical options and for not telling me what he intended. I was supposed to show up for surgery without knowing what he planned to do? I am going to take the time I need to consult with an oncologist and probably another surgeon.
The more I read about radiation and its effects on breast tissues and lymph nodes, the more convinced I am radiation is not for me unless invasive breast cancer is discovered that poses a high risk to my survival without radiation. My mother had chemo and radiation, and she ended up with terrible radiation burns that took about 8 years to heal completely. In fact, her radiation wounds finally healed a few months ago right before her 85th birthday, and she was burned when she was about 76 or 77 during cancer treatment. Her diabetes I am certain was a factor in the very long healing time, but nonetheless, her radiation burns were terrible. I know because I dressed her wounds for several years. I have read, incidentally, that women over 70 do not get breast cancer. Not sure if that is true or not, but my mother most certainly had a breast cancer diagnosis at the age of 76 or so. Maybe her breast cancer came from exposure to a hormone called DES when she was pregnant with me. She got a whopping dose of this hormone to help supposedly keep her from having a miscarriage, and I got the same dose in the womb when she took the drug. We think maybe DES exposure raised her risk of breast cancer, but we do not know if it raised mine. As for lumpectomy, if I were young, I might consider it, but my breasts are large, and I think lumpectomy would create a big cave in my breasts that would harden with radiation and create a very disfiguring effect. I would rather lose the breast and reduce the risk of another cancer in the breast down to about 5 percent.
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I think it's a good idea to take some time to talk to your surgeon, another surgeon, an oncologist, and anyone else that might be helpful. Your surgeon may be accustomed to calling the shots, and the lumpectomy+rads route is fairly standard. Wanting to avoid radiation and reducing your probability of recurrence are two excellent reasons to choose MX. I had two lumpectomies and still had involved margins, so I had to have MX. I was relieved to avoid radiation. I opted for reconstruction, which is no picnic and has it's own set of choices. You have time with DCIS to make choices without feeling rushed. With your health problems and the stress of a BC diagnosis while caring for a mother with Stage 4 BC, you have a lot on your plate and should not be rushed and pushed! Best wishes on finding the treatment that gives you the most peace.
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I am not sure where you read that older women don't get breast cancer, but that is not true. your chances of getting breast cancer increase as you get older. It is the unfortunate younger women whose symptoms are still being dismissed because they are "too young to have breast cancer". I am so glad that you are going to put the brakes on this rush to surgery so you can explore your options. Check the boards here on mastectomy with/without reconstruction. There maybe helpful advice for large breasts and the mastectomy decision - for example, might you want a reduction in your remaining breast? With regards to DES - I have not heard about side effects in the women who took DES, only the impact on the sons and daughters born of those pregnancies. DES is not often mentioned on these boards, so I am not sure about its relation to breast cancer - it has been related to abnormalities of the reproductive organs in both sexes. My friend who is a DES daughter - her father was a doctor and I am sure everyone assumed his wife was getting the latest/greatest care when she was given DES. Please keep us posted as you navigate your "breast cancer journey".
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I got up this morning and called the patient care coordinator at the hospital where I have had most of my diagnostic tests and my first surgery. She is a most lovely woman, and I told her I was going to say some not very pretty things, but that I knew she could turn them into the right words. I don't want to get into a tangle with the surgeon's nurse. I live in a relatively small town. I told her that I am cancelling the surgery for Friday, and that I want time to get myself and my affairs in order before major surgery. I cannot imagine why it took me over a week to figure out that I was really facing a life changing event that required a great deal of attention to my finances, my health, my family's health, and my emotional well-being. I am not a girl scout getting ready to report to camp and get my marching orders! I expressed my frustration and anger to this woman, and she felt strongly that I should meet with the surgeon to discuss the issues I presented. I don't hold back when talking with my doctors, and most of my doctors and I have a respectful relationship but we also tell each other what is on our minds. I guess that this will be a hard meeting because the surgeon going to hear my version of the truth. Since he did fail to call me to discuss the pathology report and surgical options, I don't think he will have much to say. The patient care coordinator said that if he gets angry and defensive that he is not the right surgeon for me. He is not the right surgeon for in under any circumstances. After I got off the phone with the patient care coordinator, I called the nurse practitioner in my GYN doctor's office. She is also a wonderful woman who is very diplomatic and subtle. She said, in short, "If I were recommending a surgeon to a loved one such as a sister or my mother, I would send her to Dr. X." Dr. X performed a mastectomy on her sister and at that time he pulled together an expert team that included a plastic surgeon who did a immediate reconstruction. It went very well. I did some research and discovered that Dr. X is a surgical oncologist at a major university hospital with impeccable credentials. I immediately called the hospital and I spoke with the patient care coordinator for Dr. X, and she asked me to pull together all of the images from all of my mammograms and other procedures (ultrasound, stereoscopic biopsy, MRI more mammograms) long with paper pathology reports from surgeries and diagnostic procedures going back as far as I can in time up to five years, and she said to call her back when I had everything together and that she would tell me where to send the package. After that happens, I will set up a surgical consultation with Dr. X. I have decided that I am going to ditch the current surgeon, who has good credentials but who is not a breast cancer expert, and I am going to have my surgery done by a surgical oncologist at the university hospital. Dr. X may know if there is any recent research or any ongoing studies on the children of DES mothers. I did have colposcopy at a university hospital for many years, and I had abnormal cells on my cervix. I have had two procedures to stop uterine bleeding, one of which I had in the past year, and one cryosurgery to remove precancerous lesions along with surgery to remove a uterine polyp.
What a difference a day makes! I went to bed confused and woke up determined to get moving in a new direction. I have been helped and encouraged immensely by the people on this site who responded for my plea for help. I spoke to the nurse in my mother's oncologist office. She did not have good news. My mother's CT scan done last week showed that the disease is not being pushed back enough. Well, we sent my 85 year old mother to a rehabilitation hospital a month or so ago to force her to improve her strength. She went through three hours of physical therapy every day. I told the nurse that my mother was stronger than before and that she might be able to handle stronger chemo. The nurse was encouraged by this news, but I don't know if my mother wants to keep fighting or not. All I know is that I had no idea when I started this process that it would turn out to be very complex and confusing. It really does take human communication with other people who are knowledgeable as patients, as medical professionals, as caregivers - along with talking to friends and family - to sort through all of the information and feelings that come flying at you when you get a diagnosis that suggests you are at risk for breast cancer.
The nurse from my mother's oncologist's office said that my mother was not tested for the BRCA genetic risk factors. She did however say very firmly that she thought I should be tested. Not sure why she said that, as others on this site have suggested that if I had the BRCA gene that I would have had breast cancer by now. I am 60 years young, but if I don't find a way to cope with the stress, I will be an old woman before this ordeal is over. If we don't have Jewish blood, I will bite off my own ear. My mother's father's family were wealthy bankers who settled in Pennsylvania. They had a famous name that persisted as a middle name on my mother's side of the family reflecting their heritage and their role as philanthropists. However, we may not be genetically related to Ashkenazi Jews.
The Chinese say that "Crisis is opportunity riding on dangerous winds." The nurse practitioner in my GYN doctor's office said that I could wait at least three months for surgery. I need this time to get my head in the right place, to get my family situated in case I have little energy to keep the household going, and to become comfortable with my choices. I also need time to pull together some financial resources to have the surgery done out of town, as I am living on a limited income. Within every challenge is an amazing opportunity waiting to be discovered. At least that is what I have found in my life. Am I in the best shape possible to meet this challenge? No. Can I do it? I think so. Why do I think I can do it? Because one of my doctors and mentors has taught me that if I run into a mountain that I cannot climb over that I have to start chipping away at it until it starts to diminish in size. Do I want to fight? I think I do. You never know what lies on the other side of the mountain, and I am still curious.
Thank you for listening.
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HURRAY! YOU ARE UNSTOPPABLE!
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Yup, I am exhausted but that never stopped me. I chalk it up to completing two Master's degrees and working for 18 years in the cruel city of Washington, D.C. I just don't stop. if there is a barrier, I look for another way to slip past the guards and gatekeepers. I am thinking I would be a good advocate for cancer patients because I don't take no for an answer and I am capable of outpacing my opponents. As for possible breast cancer, though, I have met my match. I admit that it is humbling. I have been humbled by many events in my life, but being humbled offers the chance to see where I might improve. Breast cancer, though, is an adversary that has the power to be invisible. I know what I am up against. The only thing to do is to live well when possible. Some days are simply awful, and there is no getting around it. Still, winning has a great deal to do with ceaseless work to find the right people who know the most about a topic, probe them for as much information as possible. love myself in spite of my imperfections, and seek spiritual guidance. I made someone angry discussing my intense belief that we have spiritual guides who speak to us, if we would listen. They can help us understand where we stand, they can warn against anger and revenge, they can speak to us through our loved ones, and they can bring us peace in times of turmoil. I admit to being in turmoil. I admit that this is difficult. However I have learned to turn my suffering over to a higher power, and it is liberating. My way is what works for me. and I don't preach it to anyone else. I simply bear personal testimony that when I am quiet and I listen, I can hear a small still voice that tells me what I need to know.
Onward. I may fall in the road, but I will look at the trees and the plants and the sky as I walk this path.
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