Any comments welcome
I was just diagnosed with DCIS, grade 1 last week. I feel completely comfortable with the fact that this is very best case scenario and protocol of clear margins and rads is great. But...
My Grandma and 2 of her sisters had breast cancer (one early onset) and one sister had ovarian. Next generation line...My aunt (mom's sister) diagnosed with BC at 34, died by 40. A cousin died of ovarian. In my generation line I now have BC although 2 cousins recently had ovaries removed prophylactically. Several family members have tested negative for BRCA1/2. I just got tested but I imagine I'll be negative as well. The geneticist that my cousin saw felt there's some other mutation going on, which is why she elected to remove her ovaries.
Add to this, my original diagnosis from stereotactic biopsy was ADH and my lumpectomy pathology showed DCIS, AFH, prolific fibrocystic changes with florid duct hyperplasia. Don't know where the ADH went because that wasn't mentioned (and I'll be asking the surgeon Wednesday). Is that a lot of Benign high risk stuff in one small sample or am I just freaking out?
I hate the idea of BMX prophylactically but I hate the idea of having a new cancer show up even more. If I do radiation to treat the DCIS now, it seems I'm at high risk for another cancer eventually and then I may just not be so lucky. I don't know if I'm making a bigger deal out of the history and benign breast issues than needs to be made because I'm scared or if I'm kind of on track with the concept that I have some high risk stuff going on.
I've been reading a lot on the forums here and appreciate everyone's input and stories and suggestions and support. So I'm throwing out my little piece of "freak out" and would love to hear what y'all have to say.
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Dear TriChick:
The doctors do not seem to be very concerned about most of the benign findings although the names of the findings sound very scary. Googling all of the benign diagnoses causes one stress and anxiety. It is best to listen to the doctors rather than googling. It seems that doctors are concerned only when there is a finding of atypia along with a benign finding. I would discuss your significant family history with your doctor. You may want to get a second opinion and genetic testing as well.
Your dx of ADH is concerning and it sounds like the AFH is concerning too because I think that the A stands for Atypia. I know that ADH is a red flag but I do not know what AFH is. Sorry.
I have had numerous benign findings over the years. (I have had 6 excisional biopsies/lumpectomies, 6 core needle biopsies, and 1 cyst aspiration over the years.) Doctors call my breasts, "busy breasts." In addition, I completed my bc tx in Octobe 2014 and my follow up MRI in May 2015 showed 2 suspicious areas to the breast that was radiated. One area was biopsied and 7 benign findings resulted. My MO is completely unconcerned. I sent my MRI report for a second opinion because of the 2nd suspicious area which could not be biopsied in May 2015. I am on a 6 month wait and watch protocol. The 2nd opinion RO also was not concerned with the 7 benign findings.
That being said, when I google the findings, 2 of the 7 findings are terrifying according to google. I have prominent sclerosing adenosis, and prolific epithelial hyperplasia. According to google, those 2 findings increase my chance of bc. The other 5 benign findings are not concerning. However, my MO and 2nd opinion RO are not concerned in the least. It is best to trust your doctors.
I wouldn't worry about the benign findings. Your family history is, however, a source of great concern, as is the ADH, AFH and the DCIS. Ask many questions of your doctors and have the tx that you feel is right for you. Get a copy of your pathology report. Have someone go to the doctor appts with you so that they can listen to your dx and tx plan. That will help tremendously.
I am sorry that you find yourself here. Good luck with your tx. The diagnosis, the waiting, not knowing, and wondering about your tx is very difficult and anxiety provoking. I wish you the best.
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TriChick,
I guess we're the same age. Probably pretty active. I CrossFit, I ride my bike to work. I have had biopsies since 2011 due to all first degree female relatives having bc. When it got excisional it was all over. No more. I'm getting a prophylactic masectomy on 10/12.
It is a very difficult decision.
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My sisters were BRCA(-).
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When were those BRCA results received? If over two years ago, a consultation with a certified genetics counselor should be requested, as 614 suggests above. At least ask whether rearrangement testing was also performed.
There has been a great deal of advancement in this area recently. Almost anyone can now submit samples and get analysis but knowing what to look for and how to interpret is another story. It certainly sounds to me as though both Trichick & Marg could have something hereditary going on, especially when relatives are diagnosed young.
Often, the best candidate to define a deleterious mutation is a person in the family who has confirmed disease. Otherwise, you are simply an "uninformed negative". Regular doctors, surgeons and even oncology specialists have a difficult time keeping up with all the developments in the field which makes the service of a trained professional dedicated to helping sort everything out is critical. Get a referral as soon as you possibly can.
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hi Marg64,
I think the 64 in both our names gives away our similar age
. And yes, I'm active as well (thus the tri part). Although I don't do triathlons any more because I hate to run. Ha!
I'm sorry ti hear about your family history of BC. That's a lot to go through for any family. I hate this disease. I wish you the very best for your upcoming surgery. I will follow along with you and cheer you on from the side lines.
Did you have any Prob with insurance approval? Are you going to have reconstruction? Do you mind me asking?
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trickchick---I don't know what AFH would stand for; I'm wondering if it was a typo, meant to be ADH or ALH? I would agree with 614, don't worry about all the other benign "stuff" (even though it sounds scary); what is of more concern to your future risk is your family history of breast and ovarian cancer, so some of your decisions will depend on the results of your BRCA testing. The ADH may have been all removed during your biopsy. The DCIS is what the radiation would be aimed at treating, that would lower your risk a certain amount, and then you would have the option of taking a preventative med like tamoxifen to further decrease your overall risk.
Praying you get good results soon from your testing.
Anne
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trickchick---(sorry, I just read an older post of yours and it mentioned ALH.) While ADH is more localized, ALH is thought to confer increased risk to both breasts, so while lumpectomy and radiation would address the DCIS (which is the most serious of the 3--ADH, ALH, DCIS) in the affected breast, you would need to take tamoxifen to decrease the risk in both breasts.
Anne
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I just had second go round of genetic testing through Color genomics. It reconfirmed negative BRCA. 1 test done in study over 20 years ago, the cost was $250.00 and 19 mutations were evaluated. It took a couple of months to return but it works and may help me/ you make decisions about PMX. It might not but I'm happy to at least have the inf
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Hello - I just wanted to chime in about something a cancer buddy said to me.
I started with lots of cancer in one breast and lots of lymph nodes that went undetected for many years and became aggressive. So getting the other breast off was suggested by my doctor and was something I knew I wanted because I would worry about getting cancer in it all the time.
My dear friend talked to me shortly before she passed away about her treatment. She had a lumpectomy and radiation that was it. She never asked many of the questions she had or had enough answers to comfort her. Her cancer came back in her organs. She said she always wondered if she had a different treatment like mine and they gave her double mastectomy would she still have been dying. She said she would probably wonder till her end.
I am not saying go ahead and do it but definitely make sure you ask as many questions as you can to your doctor. Write the questions down at home if there are 50 questions and they don't have time to answer all your questions in detail make another appointment till every last question is answered in detail.
Then you will know better about your decision to make. Everyone's body reacts different to their cancer I started with a lot but am still kicken around. Unfortunately they cant give anyone a definite cancer will never return answer. I had much more cancer than my friend but am still here. like I said you never know.
Whatever your choice make sure you are comfortable living with it in your mind and heart.
Hugs to you
- Beth
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Thank you all for your responses and input. This community is awesome.
614 and awb...that AFH was a typo. Part of the biopsy diagnosis was ALH. So yes, the concern would be ADH and ALH in my right breast.
vlnrph My cousins test were done in the last year or two, mine were just done last week. She did consult with a top geneticist at Northwestern, and if you knew my cousin, you'd know that she had as thorough testing as is humanly possible. She's a doctor as well, so that gives her a leg up in some regards. Even with everyone being BRCA negative, it's still a pretty hefty family incidence. Interestingly, I didn't even think about this, but several of the other women in the family had already had their ovaries removed years ago for other reasons, so we really don't know who may have developed ovarian cancer. It's all interesting (although I'd prefer not be having to think about it at all).
beth1965, Im sorry for the loss of your friend. It sucks and hurts so much. You know, my feeling is similar to what she was saying...I need to ask as many questions as I can to have as much understanding as possible and then I need to make decisions that make sense for me, not just what the doctor recommends because it's protocol. I may end up doing the protocol, but I'm leaning away from it. I don't think I can live with going conservative and then having cancer show up again and being handed a different fate. My kids need me and I need to know I did everything in my power to remove as much risk as possible. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but if I can reduce my risk in some way that makes sense, I think I need to do that.
Best thing today is that I got a call for a second surgical consultation and they scheduled me for Thursday. I literally cried with relief that they didn't make me wait longer. I see my surgeon tomorrow for a post op follow up but I'm not confident that I will walk out of there satisfied that my questions were answered to the extent that makes me comfortable. I'm not that high maintenance but he's got to be on the spectrum so conversation is interesting with him. He's a great surgeon, everyone says so, but for the communication part, he's fairly limited. I'm hoping that come Thursday I will have a much clearer picture of my own risk, as well as process of bmx if I so chose that option.
I need a nap
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You might talk to your surgeon about a second opinion on your pathology. In my org biopsy one pathologist called it ADH and ALH and another called it DCIS and LCIS. It was sent to Vanderbilt for a second opinion tie breakerand they called it ADH and ALH. Apparently the cells for either look very similar and are sometimes hard to call.
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Dear TriChick:
I am glad that you have appointments scheduled for this week. The waiting and wondering is terrible and very anxiety provoking. With DCIS, ALH, and ADH, plus a significant family history of bc, I would be very concerned. Please talk to your doctors and ask many questions. Bring someone with you to your appointments. Make sure to get a copy of your pathology report. Then, trust your gut as far as the treatment goes. You also need to trust and believe your doctors. Follow your doctors recommendations and talk with your doctors about what your concerns, fears, etc. are. If you feel that a bmx is the right treatment for you then you should do it. It will alleviate your stress levels to have a plan in place. Once you know what your treatment will be, things become much easier. At least, that is how I felt. For me, the not knowing and eternal waiting was awful. The tx was not bad at all for me in comparison to the stress of not knowing and waiting for appointments.
Good luck and I wish you the best.
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I think the 64 in both our names gives away our similar age
. And yes, I'm active as well (thus the tri part). Although I don't do triathlons any more because I hate to run. Ha!
I'm sorry ti hear about your family history of BC. That's a lot to go through for any family. I hate this disease. I wish you the very best for your upcoming surgery. I will follow along with you and cheer you on from the side lines.
Did you have any Prob with insurance approval? Are you going to have reconstruction? Do you mind me asking?</quote>
I did not have any problems with insurance approving the mastectomy. I'm having a nipple-sparing DIEP flap reconstruction. My sister had DCIS in both breasts and got a double mx with implants.
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I don't mind you asking at all.
I briefly considered no reconstruction. Least down time in getting active, plus I hate bras. That said, I realized I'd be happier having breasts. Less reminder of what is going away 10/12.
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Hi Marg64,
I understand the thought about not having reconstruction. It's the reconstruction that freaks me out the most. I have a consult with plastic surgery Monday so hopefully I learn all my options and then make a decision on how to proceed. I really just don't like any of it. I'd like to rewind
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am in the same place as you are. Met with breast surg a few days ago. Waiting for appt confirnation for coming week with PS. I just don't know what to do. no recon seems so much less stress and i am frazzled enough. I do not want implants. If anything i would like flap but the long surgery is what holds me back. I am not worried about recovery time. Did anyone else worry about surgery?
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There is a delayed reconstruction option. Doctors advise against it as it involves another round of general anesthesia. Plus your breast skin/nipple could not be used were you to wait--but you won't feel the nipple anyway for years if you do feel it, and it won't be the same ever. That's a sacrifice. I am very sad.
\ I'm meeting with a trust guy on Monday to make sure all is in order to dispose of my property in case I die. I'll be under for 10 hours. It is a risk to remove "healthy" tissue, though they won't know until they've dissected it.
The prospect of dying to remove/reconstuct what could be healthy seems radical. I sometimes feel I'm jumping the gun. But if not now, when? When my boobs are dented and disfigured and their state considered merely cosmetic 15 years from now?] Or go on Tamoxifen now as advised and lose what remains of my sex drive and the good years I could spend pursuing this? When I get bc and have to deal with radiation and chemo as well as surgery, maybe when I don't have a good job, parents in good health, etc.? I don't like any of my options but for me, this was the least bleak.
I concluded it has to be now and this way.
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Marg64...such a tough decision and a brave one and certainly one that only YOU can make for yourself. I'm over here thinking of you, praying for you, and cheering you on!!
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All decisions are personal and each one of us has to do what is best for our own needs and personal situations.
However, I just want to throw out there that I am taking Arimidex (Generic - Anastrazole) which is an Aromatase Inhibitor. I have no side effects. I have not lost my sex drive and I have absolutely no other sexual symptoms from being medically induced into menopause or from the Anastrazole. I have been taking Anastrazole for 1 year (I am 1 week short of 1 year.)
Don't plan on having side effects because you may not have any. I am not taking Tamoxifen because I was not able to take it. Therefore, I do not know how Tamoxifen would have affected me. Regardless, Anastrazole is a better treatment for Lobular Carcinoma then Tamoxifen.
Good luck with your upcoming surgery and with your recovery. I wish you the best. Your decision should put your mind at ease and stop your anxiety.
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