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Marg64
Marg64 Member Posts: 64

Question 1: Has anyone else done one?


Mine is 10/12. I'm scared. I realized that I"m going to have bx after bx every year, some more invasive than not. Every year. All my first degree female relatives were dx'd with bc. They're BRCA negative but with other factors it's a huge lifetime risk.

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  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    Question 2: How do you go about saying who you want visiting and who you don't? For example, I definitely want my bf to visit. He is enmeshed with his mother to whom he's told details.She is a support system for him. We frankly don't reallly get along and I don't feel like seeing her in recovery. How to handle

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited September 2015

    Not my personal situation but I'm sure others will come along with more relevant experience. I do find that deep breathing usually helps when thinking about anxiety provoking events! Hoping your risk reducing procedure and recovery is totally unremarkable. Will you be getting physical therapy to regain range of motion?

    You might want to request pre-op limb measurements for later comparison in case any swelling develops. Although rare when no nodes are removed, any trauma to an area can set the stage for lymphedema.

    Another place to consider posting your second question would be in the forum titled Relationships, etc way down the list here. My only thought is, should the boyfriend ever become a husband, the mother issue becomes even greater. Perhaps giving her a chance by allowing a visit as she supports him might surprise you, in a good way...

    My primary reason for responding to you is to ask whether any of those female relatives had recent genetic counseling. If their negative results were more than a couple years ago, someone may need to get an update. There has been an explosion in the field of mutation testing, with much more to consider than just BRCA 1/2.

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    Vinrph, thanks for these very good situations. Lymphedema is a potential complication and it'd be good to have as much pre-op data as possible.

    My bf's mom is a nice lady, just kinda high maintenance;-)

    My sisters both tested negative around 2012...

  • kellyd69
    kellyd69 Member Posts: 1
    edited September 2015


    I just had double mastectomy with reconstruction but with reduction also. I was high risk. My aunt & little sister has breast cancer. My surgery was 4 weeks ago I am still on medical leave. The first week home was the hardest for me. I was so sore and swollen. They had to take my lymph node also. I still even have 1 drain .

    As far as visitors it's up to you. I work at the hospital so everyone was coming to see me.... but yes you will need tons of help that's for sure. I still get week and very emotional. I need help all the time. Good luck and take care

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    Kelly, thanks so much for replying.

    I told my work, including about the drains. We agreed that it would be best to stay out until they go out. The medical leave itself will be stressful as I enjoy work and with disability involved will probably be a total out.

    I'm scared, Kelly.

    I have an 85 percent plus lifetime risk. I know it has to be now.

    What was your pt like? Pain management?

  • BethRickJack
    BethRickJack Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2015

    well...I'm ready to sign to have a bil mastectomy...was told 6 weeks but that I may only need about 4 weeks off...thoughts

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    Hey Beth,

    I was told I could maybe go back <4 weeks. However, I'll have a bunch of drains and it may freak out the staff. Realistically 5-6 weeks. I'm ok with waiting till they come out

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2015

    Hi Kelly and Beth-

    We want to welcome you both to our community here at BCO. We hope you find the support you need!

    Kelly, we hope your recovery continues to go well, and Beth, we wish you much luck on your upcoming surgery!

    The Mods

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    Beth, from what I've been told 4-6 is realistic if you aren't having reconstruction or having implants. My sister had the latter and it took her about that long.

    Ab flap is about 12 weeks or so I've heard.

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    It depends on the kind of work you do. Lifting even ten pounds could be a work issue for some months, from what I been told.

  • new__me
    new__me Member Posts: 128
    edited September 2015

    i am brca2 and will have prophylactic bilateral mastectomy in a few weeks... date not set yet -i am very unsure about whether to do recon or go flat. Frightened at the thought of so many hours in surgery for the recon. I am 60 and healthy and 21 days ago underwent 3 hrs surgery to remove ovaries, tubes, uterus, cervix. It went very well and i feel great. That surgery was also prophylactic. I lost my grandma to ovarien cancer, one sister to breast cancer and have another sister newly diagnosed bc. I would welcome any advice, personal stories readsurance!

  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited September 2015

    Hi New

    Good wishes. I'm your age a few years older. I had prophylactic ooph at 41 before there was any genetic testing for BRCA. My case it was very difficult because I am not nor never have been well. I was one of first people in US tested for BRCA 1. Family sounds just like yours. So many of my beloved people dead from either BC or ovarian. I knew it couldn't be random and it wasn't . I don't have this gene that they all carried and I'm thankful for that but go figure I'm right around the corner from bc anyway .


    All I can say it that you are doing what you must do. When I need to do pbmx I

    Think I'm going to flat route because the surgery alone will kill me. You sound healthy enough to hack it. There are forums and pages here specifically about these recon or ot questions. I totally hear your anguish though. I would and do feel the same . Keep us posted please . Good thoughts. I know you are doing the shocking and hard thing but the " right" thing

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited September 2015

    I didn't want to live "post-sex" and on Tamox. I don't want years of biopsies and scarring coming up, and no options to correct dented and disfigured boobs after Medicare. Or I would have bc and if I were older might not be afforded the options I have now.

    I am sad about it. I wish I could keep my natural breasts and their sensation but as above, that would be not likely to happen anyway.


  • new__me
    new__me Member Posts: 128
    edited September 2015

    My breast surgeon wants to do a sentinal node biopsy on each side durong my prophylactic bilateral mast. I do not have bc (at least to my knowledge -had mammo in July and it was clear. Is the node removal common with prophyl surgery? It just sèems like yet another stresser. But then again she is my sister's surgeon and did the bilateral mast when her cancer was gound 3 months ago. Has anyone else had this procedure done during their mast?

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited September 2015

    new - Angelina Jolie had the dye put in but no nodes taken. If they have to go back in apparently the dye shows up for days or weeks. Someone else on these boards had the dye put in and a clip placed beside the node. I had no nodes taken and invasive was found. My surgeon was able to do it after the fact - I had to wait 3 weeks to heal. There was another lady on here who had a recurrence after a Bmx and her surgeon was able to do a SNB.
  • jkbrca2
    jkbrca2 Member Posts: 67
    edited September 2015

    I had a preventative bilateral mastectomy July 10, 2015. I chose no reconstruction for many reasons and haven't regretted having the mastectomy or being flat for one minute. I wear clothing to disguise I'm flat, or bralettes with molded cups and fiberfill or silicone prosthetics with mastectomy bras, and no one can tell the wiser! Even without reconstruction I can wear lots of tops, even some lower cut tops. Nothing cleavage showing, but I'm married and not wanting to dress like that at work or out anyhow. I just look thin if I go flat.

    I tested at 35 and camecback BRCA2 positive and it's been a major relief that I will no longer wait for BC to happen or worry about when a surveillance test would come back positive for BC. I had a scare last fall with increased blood flow in an MRI that lead to a core needle biopsy that came back benign but after 4 years of tests and being 39 it was time for the girls to go. I feel much more at ease. My surgery was 2.5 hours. I stayed overnight for pain and nausea management. I went home the next day and used Rx painkiller 3 days followed by Advil with surgeon's permission the 4th day. I needed my mother or husband to help me with food prep and changing clothes and bandage changing the first 3 days. Because this was preventative no nodes were tested but pathology was done. No node testing and no implants meant I healed quickly with less fluid and my drains were out in 5 days. I went back to a desk job but hour-long commute both ways after 4 weeks. I could even lift my 35 lb son at 4 weeks! I felt completely healed at 6 weeks.

    You shouldn't need nodes taken from the armpit area unless cancer is suspected. I think Jolie's test was to ensure her niplples and areolas were cancer free in order to preserve them for a nipple sparing mastectomy. You can also chose a skin sparing mastectomy but remove the nipples and areolas, then have those reconstructed too. If you keep the nipples, know that they won't be sensitive, just for looks.

    To you and to newme, If you do this preventatively, take your time to research all your options. Ask the breast surgeon lots of questions. Meet with 1or 2 plastic surgeons about reconstruction but remember they'll show you pics of the best work not the average. They also do the type of reconstruction they know. Seek out women who've chosen that option so you have a realistic view of the outcome and what setbacks you might encounter before you have a result you are content with. If you look at being flat check out breastfree.org, which is maintained by a woman who goes by the username "Erica" on this board. Read the boards about "Living without reconstruction" to see what people say and the boards about reconstruction. Whatever you decide you can change your mind later if you want to. And do whatever YOU want. It's your body. If you're not comfortable with a doctor, seek a different one if you can. Tell the operating room nurses you only want to see your boyfriend in recovery and they will only let him in. His mother won't be able to just walk in. Usually you can only have one person anyhow. Best of luck to you ;-)

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited September 2015

    Hi New_me:

    I would recommend that you ask your surgeon for the particular reasons that he is recommending sentinel node biopsy in your case (e.g., possible findings from imaging? family history? other?).

    As you may know, intact lymph channels are needed for a successful sentinel node biopsy (SNB), and mastectomy will disrupt the lymph channels. Therefore, if SNB was not performed at the time of mastectomy, it may not be possible thereafter. You should confirm this point with your surgeon.

    If SNB was not done at the time of mastectomy, I would inquire how axillary lymph nodes would be assessed if invasive disease were found in the post-surgical pathology, and how the morbidity of that procedure compares with that of SNB in terms of lymphedema risk.

    The below text is copied from the National Comprehensive Cancer Center (NCCN) guidelines for Breast Cancer Risk Reduction (version 2.2015) (emphasis added by me):

    "Women considering RRM [Risk-Reducing Mastectomy] should first have appropriate multidisciplinary consultations and a clinical breast examination and bilateral mammogram if not performed within the past 6 months. If results are normal, women who choose RRM may undergo the procedure with or without immediate breast reconstruction. Bilateral mastectomy performed for risk reduction should involve removal of all breast tissue (ie, a total mastectomy). Axillary node assessment has limited utility at the time of RRM. Women undergoing RRM do not require an axillary lymph node dissection unless breast cancer is identified on pathologic evaluation of the mastectomy specimen.

    Some patients may be at risk for an occult primary tumor, such as patients with abnormal imaging findings on either mammogram or breast MRI who do not undergo biopsy, and patients with familial history who have not had a breast MRI prior to surgery. In such patients, a sentinel lymph node biopsy may be performed to stage the axilla for an occult cancer during the RRM, and a secondary axillary lymph node dissection could be avoided if an occult invasive cancer is discovered. . ."

    Again, it appears that at least in some cases of prophylactic mastectomy, SNB may be appropriate, so it is best to inquire with your surgeon. If you are still uncomfortable about it, you can consider obtaining a second opinion.

    BarredOwl

  • new__me
    new__me Member Posts: 128
    edited September 2015

    thank you so much for that information. It was helpful as well as enlightening. I understand now. If surgeon suggests sentinel node biopsy i will defer. I simply want this all behind me.

  • new__me
    new__me Member Posts: 128
    edited October 2015

    are you really comfortable being flat? I have been inching my way to that decision. The idea of not needing a bra is so refreshing. I was stunned by my breast surgeon's reaction when i told her i was considering no recon.. She strongly encouraged me to at least meet with PS. I definitely DO NOT WANT IMPLANTS. And not sure about the other options. I will meet with PS but i am getting a gut feeling that flat is best. I have been reading the information on breastfree. Your comments are so welcome. I am 60 and my daughter is pregnant with my first grandchild... she does not want me to have reconstruction. Neither of us likes anything not natural. I am brca2. She will test after baby. She is 30. She has already said if she is brca2 she will do bilateral mast without recon.

    So cruel that we women have to make such choices in order to live. And then there is my mom who is brca2, 89 yrs old and never had bc she beat the odds. 2 sistersbof mine have had bc.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited September 2015

    Hi New_me:

    I sympathize with wanting it all behind you! I should emphasize that I am just a patient, so I have no idea whether SNB would be appropriate or not in any particular case in the prophylactic setting.

    I was just saying that there are some occasions when SNB is recommended. Yet, I do not have a clear understanding of what factor or combination of factors would truly support it and whether they exist or not in your case. The guidelines are extremely top-line in this regard (not detailed).

    The question of SNB in the prophylactic setting seems to be an area of some controversy, and often SNB is not performed. The guidelines also state: "Axillary node assessment has limited indication at the time of risk-reduction surgery."

    Given that SNB does not appear to be the usual course, and there can be complications, I do encourage you to investigate the basis for this recommendation with your surgeon. You have time to ask about the reasons, the most current research on this question, to understand the pros and cons of doing or not doing it, and to make a fully informed decision for yourself!

    BarredOwl

  • swimmersmom94
    swimmersmom94 Member Posts: 38
    edited October 2015

    Best of luck to you, pink sister. I had bilateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction and nipple sparingSept. 18, 2015. It's no walk in the park for sure. The first 3 days were the worse for me but I am doing much better now. I actually walked 3 miles, drain tubes still intact, for the Susan G. Komen race for the cure. Wore out now!

  • CateM
    CateM Member Posts: 39
    edited October 2015

    Marg64 - My PBMx is exactly one week after yours on the 19th Oct. I too was tired of abnormal mammograms and recalls, biopsy's and ultrasounds. I have tonnes of micro-calcifications with dense breast tissue. I'm 45 now and have been on a surveillance programme for 7 years now and grew tired of waiting for the dx.

    I have tested inconclusive for the BRCA mutation. All my first degree female relatives on my Mothers side have been dx'd with BC and none have survived passed 46.

    I know I'm making the right decision by having the PBMX and can't wait until its all over with.

    I have also told my DH who I am happy to have visit me when I'm in hospital, he's a bulldog and will take the brunt for the decision.

    Marg64, you are not alone my thoughts are with you.

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    my surg got postponed till 11-10. I was asking questions about computation (putting nerve endings together) bc I'm v worried about hurting myself and not feeling it. I'm a klutz. My surg encouraged me to speak w other pts and perhaps seek a second. Which I'm doing.


  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    I thought it was appropriate to ask if reconnecting nerve endings would be SOP in 2017 or so, in which case I would wait. There doesn't seem to be a clear answer. There are people in Houston who do it but their practice hasn't been adapted by the larger community.

    As a result, I got delayed a month to 11/10 I am looking on the bright side of things but kinda was prepared to go 10/12. Talk about asking stupid questions.

    Meanwhile, my bf's mom had the gall to get him over there to finish her gutters as soon as she heard it was postponed. For free. She then proceeds to email me telling me about some friend I don't know who she talked with who have breast surgeons this and plastic surgeons that and to mention her name and her friends nameand to pull all my EPIC records. It was condescending and I felt completely violated. I never told her personally and was unhappy but accepting that bf told her due to their close relationship. I didn't think she'd pull this.

    I ended up telling her that look, i recognized that she was trying to help and the best way to do that would be to minimize chores, distractions and obligations on my bf's part. She hasn't replied, which I expected.

    I really don't want to see her. At all.

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    This whole thing has been aggravating. So aggravating that knowing myself, I would just stop getting tests altogether and roll the dice and roll in every 4-5 years or so.

    I mean, I don't have bc (well, that'll be confirmed when they do the frozen slices of the tumor and the rest before consigning my breasts to medical waste.)

    My insurance won't test me for BRCA b/c my two sisters w/bc tested negative after 2010. But 100 percent of my female first-degree relatioves have had bc. The consensus is that it's a mutation yet undiscovered.

    In the back of my mind is the niggling thought. I could wait. It's a fun run in the park. For charity. Wear pink. It's not really real for you yet. Why don't you wait?.Forget the nipple eroticism part. I just want to be sensate enough to know whether I ripped it or my boob off. Maybe I could feel more if I waited two or three years for sensory nerve surgery. Five, ten years? What's the harm?

    Or maybe I'd get cancer.Tick tick tick.

    I'm consigning myself to the SOP of 2015. Because I can't take this any more.



  • Ddw79
    Ddw79 Member Posts: 533
    edited October 2015

    Marg64

    You don't need a doc or insurance to agree to genetic testing anymore . If you can spare $250.00 and feel that this info would be helpful to you in some way. You can get a panel of 19 mutations tested through Color Genomics. It's so simple. All web based, a simple saliva test . I just did it and received results about two months later

  • BethRickJack
    BethRickJack Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2015
  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    anyone go it alone

  • Marg64
    Marg64 Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2015

    1. My surgeon looked into attaching the sensory nerve and doesn't think its a good idea. I talked to a lady who hasn't had sensation for sic years and a couple who got it back after 1.5 to 2. If you have experience let me know.

    2. Anyone have shoulder pain after their diep


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