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  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited August 2015

    The link is basically stating eat well and not just for cancer, but for your general well being. Some of the servings are ridiculous imo. Who can eat 8-10 servings of fruit and veggies! Wow. I struggle with 2-3. IMO after marinating on this topic and reading up on it, do the best you can. Some things are obvious to eliminate/cut down like the whites, bad fats/bad carbs, sugars. Those are all basic in a healthy diet to help prevent diseases, not just bc.

    I know people who have a not so great diet and are fine, and others who do all the good diet stuff and still have something up. So who really knows other than to be safe, do the best you can and don't pick apart things. If you want a small piece of cake once a month or whatever, I'm sure it won't increase your risk. That's how I've come to look at it as there is so much eat this/don't eat that. The only thing I've sealed in is to avoid soy the best I can, but if a bit slips through from time to time, I don't think it will be detrimental. :)

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  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited March 2018

    Hi Artista:

    I agree with your conclusion about a reasoned approach, and that most of these things are recommended for other health reasons as well. The explanations do address cancer mechanisms and helped to motivate me to cut sugar (e.g., discussion at pages 11-14 and illustration). They also address exercise (pages 27-29)

    As for the number of servings, I had the exact same reaction initially! I combed the doc for a definition of serving size back then and again today, and found it well-hidden in the chart on page 20, top row, center:

    "One serving = 1⁄2 cup fruit or vegetable

    1 cup raw leafy greens

    1⁄4 cup dried fruit or vegetable"

    The nut serving size is in the chart on page 19, row three, column three:

    "Limit consumption of nuts to no more than 1⁄4 cup with meal or snack to limit total fat and calories."

    The above amounts are quite doable (except for not eating too many nuts).

    I don't adhere completely either (e.g., Vitamin D only, no other supplements, much less flax/chia, and some other things).

    Happy eating!

    BarredOwl

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  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited August 2015

    I'm just not a huge fruit/veggie person. I'm eating more than I have before, but nowhere near what they recommend. So I can't "kill" myself with it. I am trying to decrease the sugars. Omitted bakery goods because they all have soy something in it was tough. Kozy Shack's chocolate pudding stays though. hehe. It has some calcium and iron so it's not all 0.

    I guess I've gotten a bit more relaxed on it since I started this thread but still am pretty vigilant. Now maybe when I go through chemo and the tamox and feel cruddy I'll buckle down more as an incentive, but for now, I've loosened my noose a bit more and am enjoying some things that do have sugar in them, like Trader Joes rasin bran cereal which also has a lot of fiber, b vits, protein. So give and take.

    I just don't know how anyone can really stick to such a strict regimine for so long unless it's more guaranteed that this will come back if you don't- unless you are naturally like that and so it's no effort.

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  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2015

    Live deliciously, thanks for the link!

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  • live_deliciously
    live_deliciously Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2015

    i am also struggling with proper diet. A big one for me is reducing wine which I love a glass with dinner but I've been told to limit to two glasses a week. Boy did i throw a fit about that! I know they don't know everything about this cancer disease or it would be fixed by now. But i really don't want to progress so that is why I asked my health nutritionist for more help. That is when she shared this site with me. I understand about all the vegetables being difficult but the push is to go on a plant based diet and reduce meats, pastas, breads, etc which is hard for me too. One thing I have found to help is a smoothie of vegetables with a couple fruits like a green apple or pineapple give the drink a little sweetness and takes out some of the earthy taste. It's a quick way to get your veggies in. I also eat at least a cup of the chopped brocolli slaw or just cole slaw mix as a snack. Then I do mostly green tea blend from the ted talk that showed it helps reduce blood vessels from forming around tumors. Oh and she also told me to drink a cup of kefir ea day. It is a pourable yogart to help digestion. I understand your gut is key in helping your immune system and she said mine needs to be firing on all fronts. In general all this makes sense to me and it is good for my energy too. I too eat raisin bran and steak, chicken (haha) so i think it's a good general rule to follow this plant based diet and remember when we go out to eat. what I told the nutritionist is the doctors have done all they can and now I have to do my part with diet, exercise and lifestyle. Then I will know if it comes back I did everything i could.

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  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited August 2015

    I had to cave and just had some fried chicken. I'm kind of giving myself a little more treats since I haven't started chemo yet and when that starts, then I'll buckle down more since that's when whatever is left is going to be knocked off. But I'm not going to be able to go straight up healthy 24/7. I'll have to have a treat here and there soy free or I'd burst!

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  • live_deliciously
    live_deliciously Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2015

    artista. You are so funny. I love fried chicken too and don't plan to give it up. Just moderation right? I had many "comfort" foods during chemo. My daughter said do what you got to do to get thru it. You can lose weight after. Besides I felt like I could eat the fridge i was so hungry during chemo.

    I just had a six months follow up with the surgeon and talked about wine. She said I can have more than two glasses a week just don't do it every day and she reminded me there is a quality of life too. So i think again its a guideline and a lifestyle change but has to be sensible.

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited August 2015

    Here's a post from some time ago from Beesie who always researched and did her homework:

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    Jan 30, 2013 06:00PM Beesie wrote:

    I take all the research on alcohol and breast cancer with a grain of salt (well, actually, I take it was a glass of wine!). The studies are all either retrospective, or they are self-reporting - and we know that everyone is always honest about the amount of alcohol they consume! Yet even at that, the links that have been found between alcohol consumption and breast cancer risk have always been weak. In other words, in all the research that's been reported, at the worst, alcohol consumption is weakly linked to breast cancer risk or breast cancer recurrence.

    I am female. I have extremely dense breasts. I have a family history of breast cancer. I now have a personal history of breast cancer. I have never had children. I have so many high or moderate risk factors that I'm just not going to worry about something that might be (or might not be) a weak risk factor. And then there's the question as to whether stress contributes to the development of breast cancer. Maybe, maybe not. But I know that when I have a glass (or two) of wine with dinner, I relax and all the stress of the day floats away. So for me, alcohol cancels out stress. That has to be good, right?

    Here's the alcohol and breast cancer study that I like: www.telegraph.co.uk/health/hea... "They looked at 13,525 women who had been diagnosed and treated for breast cancer, who they followed for up to 15 years. Those who drank seven units a week cut the chance of dying from breast cancer in a decade from 20 to 18 per cent, and those who drank 14 units weekly reduced the chance to 16 per cent." Of course this study is no more reliable than any of the others but it's the one that I choose to believe.

    Dx 9/15/05, DCIS-MI, 6cm+ Gr3 DCIS w/IDC microinvasion, Stage IA, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR- "No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear." Edmund Burke

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  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited August 2015

    Did Beesie do one on foods?

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  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited August 2015

    I agree with Artista: the Kozy Shack pudding stays. Yeah, that's it--calcium! Live deliciously said, "Then I will know if it comes back I did everything I could." That is the way I think, too. So I am mostly "good" about diet, but I also allow for treats. If I am going to a gathering where there will be wine or fancy drinks, I bring something special for myself, like a sweet, fizzy all-natural ginger bear (ginger ale) that I don't often drink at home. The research I did suggested that alcohol was especially bad for ILC, so I went from seldom to never.

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  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited August 2015

    Artista, I'm of the school that the most important thing is just keeping a health weight & exercising, no matter HOW you achieve that. There are plenty of healthy, vegetarian marathon runners here who got breast cancer too. I don't believe there is a magic diet.

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  • soscaredhubby
    soscaredhubby Member Posts: 45
    edited September 2015

    Does anyone know Kombucha is safe to drink while on chemo? Or if it has any effect on the ER+? My wife loves it, but just started chemo.

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  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited September 2015

    I was told not to because it's raw, which isn't good when your immune function is compromised.

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    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited October 2015

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