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  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    What do you want from me wrenn? You want me to be like that pathetic woman on Oprah who said she thanks God for the "gift" of breast cancer because now she knows what a strong woman she is, she feels empowered? Oh please! I'm not the "happy face" type. I don't live in denial and pretend everything is rosy. The surgeon said it's normal for patients to be frightened, angry, and full of hate after getting their diagnosis so don't try to guilt me. BTW, how do you know what the other women here felt after hearing they would need a mastectomy? I can't believe anyone confided in you, you are critical and not comforting. As for your final remark being sincere, I'm sure it was.

  • radgal
    radgal Member Posts: 100
    edited August 2015

    Hi EbonyEyes,

    My tumor is small too -- less than 1 cm. I'm having sentinel node injection on Monday and on Tuesday I'm having a lumpectomy and intraoperative radiotherapy.

    When I saw your first post, my first thought is that I think that there are two biopsy reports...the first one is from the needle biopsy when they take a small sample of tissue through a needle when they are trying to determine if the breast lesion is cancerous or not. The second biopsy report is after the tumor has been removed surgically and sent to the pathology department where they determine more thoroughly the characteristics of the tumor.

    Intraoperative radiotherapy is radiotherapy done in surgery. It was pioneered by my surgeon and is an alternative to external radiation therapy.

    My surgery is this Tuesday. I, too, went through the gamut of emotions, fear, anger, self-pity. They have lessened considerably now.

    If you're inclined to learn more about intraoperative radiotherapy and see if you might be eligible to receive it, you can read about my surgeon here.

    http://drholmesmd.com/bio/


    With you in spirit,

    Evie

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited August 2015

    "I'm going to need a mastectomy(great -now I get to be a freak)" (quote of your words).". It does come across that you are inferring that a mastectomy equates to becoming a 'freak' - wrong - a mastectomy (anyone - including you) does not make ANYONE a 'freak' - including you unless that is your choice to think that. Mastectomy does not change anyone into a 'freak' (whatever the meaning.).

    Surgeons are not the ones who decide what chemo or rads should be. Basically Surgeons cut. Chemo Dr/MO are the ones who are responsible for/do what chemo is done/needed. Rads Dr/RO are the ones who deal with rads. It needs to be a TEAM that works together for the best outcome for each of us. Have you seen your Chemo Dr or Rads Dr yet? It is becoming more common to do neoadjuvant chemo.

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited August 2015

    EbonyEyes, I get it. I have not had a mastectomy, but it is on the table pending scans in September and December. The first thing people do when they figure out I had chemo for breast cancer is look at my breasts. It makes me feel that they will think I am less than a woman if they see something missing. I think women who have been through it understand, other people are not so kind. Thursday I went to work with no head covering and super short hair, and everybody stared. What the heck people, it's only hair.

    We have a forum on here called Crazy Town, and another one called Steam Room for anger. Come there and rant, we all do it there, it is a great outlet for whatever and however you are feeling. No judgment or nitpicking

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    @ radgal:

    Thanks for your response. You are lucky to have someone like Dr.Holmes. I read your link, it sounds like he does some amazing things. I had only one biopsy. I don't know why this surgeon is making decisions that an oncologist should be making. She is head of the team(surgery, oncology,plastic surgery,and counselors) and has a very "take charge" personality. Maybe she just runs roughshod over everybody. I think I'll look for another surgeon.I think I have enough time. Good luck on Tuesday. Will keep you in my thoughts.

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    @Kicks: stop whining, I've explained myself enough, no more.You obviously just aren't going to get it. I am 5'2" and 40DD. Get the picture? I'm huge. If you need a comparison, Dolly Parton is 40 DD, Pam Anderson is 38 DD. I'm already treated like a freak, gawked at and subjected to vulgar remarks from stupid men and even some women. People are certainly going to notice if I have only one. I'll feel more conspicuous than ever. That's what I meant by "freak". Now hush.

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    @Italychick

    Thanks for your understanding, some here just didn't ge it. Maybe I'll check out those other forums but maybe I'll just leave. Some here have been wonderful but you also have to put up with some who are insulting and scolding and like to kick others when they are down. I'm just too tired and worn out to put up with them. Hope your scans in September and December go well. All the best.

  • radgal
    radgal Member Posts: 100
    edited August 2015

    EbonyEyes,

    If you're considering looking for another surgeon, consider Dr. Holmes. If your tumor is small, you may be able to have lumpectomy and intraoperative radiotherapy (IORT) which is radiotherapy done in surgery (20-minute application) in the tumor bed once the tumor has been removed. That's it -- lumpectomy and IORT and done.

    If nothing else, perhaps you can call his office and see him for a second opinion.

    He was actually my second opinion.

    You're in my prayers too sister!

    xoxo

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    @radgal

    I got the impression Dr.Holmes is in LA. I live in Virginia. That would be quite a commute!

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited August 2015

    EbonyEyes, don't leave. Just ignore inflammatory posts. If you end up having a lumpectomy, also check the Lumpectomy Lounge. PeggyPontiac started it I think, and she is super supportive, funny, quirky, and just a joy. There are lots of caring, supportive, concerned women on here. I just ignore the ones that aren't. I even had one send me a personal message chastising me once, I blocked her and reported her to the Mods.

    Hugs, and keep us posted as you go through this bewildering process! And know there are people who care and are here to hold your hand when needed!

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited March 2018

    Hi EbonyEyes:

    If you find the boards helpful to you, but someone is bugging you for whatever reason, there is an option to "block" their posts. This leads to an entry for their posts in the threads, but the text is not shown. Supposedly, it also blocks any private messages from them.

    For example, in any thread, you will notice the name of each poster is highlighted blue in their post. The names are live links to the member's profile page. Click on the name, and their profile comes up. In the first section of the profile, look for the "Block User" option in blue and click it. You can unblock them any time too, right from any blocked post (which has an "Unblock User" option).

    BarredOwl

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited August 2015

    You had not mentioned size - just that a mastectomy makes one a 'freak' - WRONG it does not Even for large breasfed women there are options and no need to be a 'freak' unless by choice. There is reconstruction, prothesis, and with either reducfion surgery can also be an option.


  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited August 2015

    I think some of your earlier (deleted) posts may explain this, but why do you think your surgeon is making decisions that are better made by an onc? If your tumor is small (maybe around 1 cm), and ER positive, HER negative, the tumor board (surgeons, oncs, rad oncs, and maybe others) will have met, and will have agreed, that surgery is an appropriate first step, and your surgeon will have presented that strategy to you, with medical oncologist and radiation oncologist scheduled to meet with you once your surgery is complete and more-or-less healed. If, as you indicate above, your tumor is small , a lumpectomy plus rads offers virtually the same stastical 20-year outcome as mastectomy, without the risks of post-surgical healing issues that diabetics often face.

    For myself, I could not decide between one mastectomy or two, so opted for lumpectomy as an initial step. Once I'd seen the final pathology, I thought I'd know if I had good/bad margins, or any nasty surprises. I'd have the tumor out, and more time to decide between mastectomy/reconstruciton options. As it happened, I was so happy with the lumpectomy,the lack of pain, the easy recovery, the good pathology, that I never went forward with any more surgery. I was not happy about radiation, but I did it.


  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited August 2015

    EbonyEyes,

    I'm so sorry you find yourself here with a BC diagnosis. But "here" on BCO is good place to be for information and support, so welcome to our family.

    It sounds like your other health issues will make your cancer treatment more challenging than perhaps for many of the rest of us. Your cancer is very small; in Cancerland that typically can be very good. It's quite possible that chemo won't be necessary, and perhaps not even radiation. BarredOwl makes very good points; your surgeon may know about - but does not decide - treatments like chemo and radiation. in my town my surgeon (who is a general surgeon but is also known as "the" breast surgeon) is also the head of the tumor board. Once I was initially diagnosed, and my surgery was complete (I chose a lumpectomy), the board met to discuss my case and collectively create a treatment plan. But my medical oncologist talked with me directly about my need for chemo, and my radiation oncologist discussed rads. My surgeon knew instinctively that I'd need chemo because my tumor was larger than 1 cm, but additional testing showed my cancer was aggressive so I was offered a more intense chemo regimen. Sometimes, things change.

    Treatment plans take into account your general health, too - and for you that will be an important consideration. So where maybe someone else with a smaller tumor might be able to get away with a lumpectomy, it sounds like they're recommending a mastectomy for you. Do you know why they're recommending an mx? For instance, do they think this will protect you from needing radiation? If you don't know why the surgeon is making this recommendation, I encourage you to ask, and know, and be comfortable with the treatment decisions being made. Because the most important piece in this whole process is YOU - and you get to make the final decisions. All these doctors - they make recommendations, give you the pros and cons, tell you percentages and potential outcomes. You make the final decision. There are women here who were strongly encouraged (maybe even "told") to do chemo or rads, and they said no. We make decisions about surgery every day -lumpectomy, mx, bmx. I chose not to take Tamoxifen or an AI. My doctor gives me grief still, but understands it's my choice. All of this - it's your choice too.

    Lastly, I want to reach out and hug you, and let you know you won't be a freak. I know it may feel that way to you, especially given your size (my daughter is a 36GG so I think I know where you're coming from). Its life-changing to lose a body part, especially one that has cancer. Please be kind to yourself while you're making your way through this really, really hard time in the diagnosis and treatment process.

    Take care - Nancy

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    BrooksideVT:

    First, I've never had breast cancer before so forgive if I don't know who is suppoosed to see me in what order. Nothing is written in stone, nothing has been agreed to yet. The surgeon was giving her opinion, giving me possibilities based on her experience(and her reputation is the highest) so as to prepare me. I am not stupid enough to let someone "cut" me(as some insensitive person here so crudely put it) without hearing from an oncologist, plastic surgeon, and everybody else. The final, decision,which includes NOT having any treatment, is MINE. Give me credit for having some intelligence, OK?

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    Nancy:

    Thanks for your words of encouragement, you seem to be very sweet but I'm not sure about how supportive this place is. There seems to be quite a few people here who like to insult and make others feel insecure. I suspect they are far more scared than they will ever admit and it makes them feel more in control. Nevertheless, they are unbearable and more than I can handle right now. Best to you.

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    BarredOwl:

    Thanks for the info about blocking. There are a couple of people I'd like to block but you know the old saying: keep both eyes on the enemy.

  • radgal
    radgal Member Posts: 100
    edited August 2015

    Hi EbonyEyes,

    Intraoperative radiotherapy is also offered at the University of Virginia.

    You can also google "intraoperative radiotherapy breast" and the city you live in...that is how I found Dr. Holmes.

    Here is the UV link:

    http://www.uvaphysicianresource.com/intraoperative...

    I'm grateful I found out about IORT -- IORT with a lumpectomy is a lot less scary than all the other treatments I've read about.

    I just went to the above website and clicked on Clinical Trials. I am part of a clinical trial with Dr. Holmes. There is an IORT clinical trial at UV and here is info about it:

    http://www.uvaphysicianresource.com/clinical-trial...

    Hugs still coming : )

    xoxo

  • BrooksideVT
    BrooksideVT Member Posts: 2,211
    edited August 2015

    Ebony, you've completely misunderstood my post. Sorry, I guess I was not clear. I was responding to your mention that your surgeon seemed to be precipitous in thinking surgery was your first step. I was simply indicating that he would not have come to this conclusion without having discussed your case with the other specialists. And yes, I went ahead with surgery before meeting my onc and rad onc. It was not a stupid decision, but a carefully researched and appropriate decision, based on my particular diagnosis. Please do not be so quick to assume criticism--most of us are trying to be helpful.


  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited March 2018

    Hi EbonyEyes:

    From your comment today, it looks like you think your surgeon was more alerting you to possibilities, which is good.

    NancyHB makes a good point about understanding why the surgeon thinks mastectomy is indicated versus lumpectomy in your particular case. I realize you may understand this already.

    I see that many people are sharing their experiences with lumpectomy or intraoperative radiotherapy, etc. Occasionally, I have seen patients here who report that they had a double lumpectomy. With a small area of invasion and two sites of DCIS (and possibly other findings not set forth in the threads), these options may or may not be suitable for you. I have no idea.

    If you need/want more information, these various options could certainly be investigated by further discussion with your surgeon or other team members. If you wish, a second opinion might also be helpful. In any case, you may still choose to be treated by your current surgeon. (My surgeon was all business, and what I cared most about was her current knowledge, skill and experience.)

    When I first received a recommendation of mastectomy for multifocal DCIS, I wanted a second opinion. Some people seek a second opinion about their pathology only. Others (like me) seek a complete review of all imaging (mammograms, ultrasound, etc.), all associated written reports, and a fresh review of the actual pathology slides (which are sent overnight to the other institution), plus an independent recommendation regarding surgical treatment options. There may be additional testing recommended, such as genetic counseling and possible genetic testing under certain circumstances (considering factors such as certain family history, age, and/or presentation). I asked the second institution what they needed, and then followed up with the nurse navigator at the first institution to ask what I needed to do and who to contact to get the materials needed.

    BC.org has a good section about second opinions if you haven't seen it already. There are multiple sections (see menu at left).

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/second_opini...

    Stay with us.

    BarredOwl

  • EbonyEyes
    EbonyEyes Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2015

    Is there a category here for dream analysis and, if so, could someone tell me what it is? Ever since I found the lump(seven weeks ago) I've had the same dream every night. I know it's about this and I believe dreams tell us important things about ourselves but I think I'm too close to it to figure it out. I suspect many here have repetitive dreams, nightmares, and vivid dreams.

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