Some advice please?

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alant Member Posts: 3
Some advice please?

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  • alant
    alant Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2015

    Hi. I really need some advice. A couple of months ago the doctors told my wife they found something in her left breast during a routine screening, they did the needle thing but it came back negative. A month ago they booked her in for a mammogram and bio. Got the results today and they said it's DCIS intermediate. Now they are saying she needs the have a sentinel lymph node biopsy while doing a WLE? I don't understand. If she has DCIS intermediate (where the cancer is in the duct right and not broken through) then why would she need a sentinel lymph node biopsy cause I thought DCIS doesn't spread to the nodes? Or are they doing a sentinel lymph node biopsy just to make sure it hasn't spread? If there is cancer cells in the nodes, does that mean it's no longer DCIS and is now IDC?

    Sorry for asking, my wife is a mess and isn't talking to me about it and everything online isn't making sense.


    I appreciate any help you all give me. Thank you.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited August 2015

    Sorry--what's "WLE"?

  • alant
    alant Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2015

    Hi, it's a wide local excision.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited August 2015

    Hi alant:

    If she had a biopsy, there should be a detailed pathology report available describing the full findings of the pathologist. In addition to the diagnosis of DCIS, it should include things like the grade, estrogen receptor (ER) and progesterone receptor (PR) status, and comments on whether there are signs of invasion or micro-invasion, the size of the surgical margins (i.e., how close is the DCIS is to the edge of the sample if it was a surgical biopsy), etc. In the US, your wife is entitled to receive a copy, and should immediately request one in order for both of you to be fully informed, before making decisions about surgery.

    Your understanding of DCIS is correct. "Ductal Carcinoma in Situ" or DCIS is a non-invasive form of breast cancer that is confined to the ducts. It is by definition a "Stage 0" cancer, or the lowest stage with the best prognosis. However, over time, some of the cells may gain new skills to become "invasive" and break through the wall of the duct. Once they do, the rogue cells are "invasive ductal carcinoma" or "IDC".

    Here is a short summary with pictures about DCIS and how it can progress to invasive cancer (breaking through the wall of the duct), from this site. Scroll down a ways to the illustrations to see:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/types/dcis/di...

    A biopsy is just a representative sample of the lesion. There will be an additional pathology assessment of the tissue removed in surgery. In some cases, areas of invasion are found.

    If they are now recommending a lumpectomy with concurrent sentinel node biopsy, I have posted on a similar situation discussing the option of doing a lumpectomy, obtaining the pathology, and then doing a sentinel node biopsy only if indicated. Please note that this may not be available in all cases, as explained in more detail here:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/68/topic/...

    I recommend reading the entire thread at the link above, as other members provided additional views, information and perspective, and then reviewing the pathology report from the biopsy and following up with the surgeon with questions about whether medically she has the option to defer SNB and undergo a second procedure for SNB if invasion is found in the post-surgical pathology, or if not, why not.

    If you have doubts about what is being recommended to you and your wife, I encourage you both to please consider obtaining a second opinion, which will include a review of all imaging, the pathology slides (sent overnight), a review of all associated written reports, and an independent recommendation regarding treatment options preferably from a breast surgeon (not a general surgeon).

    Don't hesitate to ask more questions if this doesn't address your questions fully.

    BarredOwl

  • CAMommy
    CAMommy Member Posts: 437
    edited August 2015

    I'm wondering if they are expecting there to be some invasive in there? What is the size of it so far? Mine was thought to be small, less than 2CM and the did not take any nodes. I turned out to have 6CM which fortunately was all pure DCIS. Usually in something that big they expect to find some invasive, but I was lucky.

  • ChristineT
    ChristineT Member Posts: 29
    edited August 2015

    I had a wide excision lumpectomy with sentinel node removal July 17th. My surgeon opted for the node/biopsy removal in case the DCIS had invaded out of the duct. The biopsy is never 100% accurate, mine said my DCIS was 0.7 cm with micro invasion absent. My surgical pathology report says the DCIS was 2cms big with invasion. So I agree with your wife's surgeon better to be safe than sorry and do the sentinel node.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited February 2016

    Hi Christine:

    Thanks for sharing your experience. Looks like a good decision for you. I note you posted elsewhere that you are having a reexcision on Aug. 14, so I guess you would have had the option of having the SNB done in the upcoming second procedure (after the area of invasion was found), had that been your preference. It must be a huge relief to have the good news about your nodes in hand. Congratulations!! Hoping for clean margins this time!

    For others still considering their options and making personal risk/benefit decisions in view of the lymphedema risk, it should be noted that current US clinical guidelines from the National Comprehensive Cancer Center (NCCN) and American Society of Clinical Oncologists (ASCO) generally do not recommend SNB for a patient undergoing breast conserving therapy ("BCT", lumpectomy) with pure DCIS (as assessed by biopsy - any grade)) (do not have invasive disease). Still there are situations where the SNB should be done (if surgery will disrupt the lymph channels) and situations where various factors lead doctors and patients to decide to go ahead with SNB under such circumstances per my link above (copied here again for convenience):

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/68/topic/...

    BarredOwl


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