Lumpectomy with breast reduction
Hi - I'm newly diagnosed with Triple Negative Stage 2a. I'm little nervous about posting this question but it was posed by the first surgeon I met with and I'll be meeting with oncology and plastic surgery to discuss my options. I am a candidate for a lumpectomy and since I have very large breasts (40 M), the initial surgeon suggested a reduction to increase my chances of more successful radiation therapy after surgery. Has anyone had any experience with lumpectomy + reduction surgery? The second surgeon says its a possibility but plastics would have to make the call. I'll be having appointments over the next two weeks. Not sure what questions to ask?
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It is what I had originally. dcis found in right breast, I went in for lumpectomy and then plastic surgeon then fixed it up nice and lifted it, and then did a reduction on the left side to match. Its called oncoplasty and is considered medically ok and covered by insurance. I was thrilled to hear that and was happy to have it done. Outpatient surgery for it all. I was ready at about 2 weeks to start work again, carefully. In my case path report from it was not so good and ended up having them off 10 days later. But I enjoyed them in the mean time! Go for it!!
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Although my situation was quite different (a DCIS dx, which was downgraded to ADH after the third pathology opinion), I opted to have an excisional biopsy (essentially a lumpectomy) along with a reduction. I actually was able to dig up some research that strongly suggests this lowers future risk as well, which was my primary motivation. Found a great oncoplastic surgeon and went from a 34D to a 34B. Over 800 grams of tissue were removed. Cosmetically, I couldn't be more pleased and hope I have helped myself from a medical perspective as well. Dr assured me that, worst case scenario, should I need a BMX in the future, I am now a better candidate for a nipple soaring procedure being smaller breasted than I was before. Also, so far at least, imaging has seemed to be easier.
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Thanks that's good to hear that it's an option. Everything I read has been about mastectomy and reconstruction with implants. The first surgeon I met with acted like I was some medical oddity or something.
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phillygurl, my own experience has been that doctors who do not do this procedure themselves (and it's not widespread, by any means) typically look at me like I have 2 heads when I describe the route I have chosen. It's been remarkable to me that even in NYC, where I live, my doctor at NYU was dismissive of this procedure that is done frequently at NY Presbyterian Cornell.
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Hello momoschki,
Who are your doctors in NYC?
Who operated you?
Did you heard about Dr. Bernik from Lenox hill?
I'm considering double mastectomy with nipple sparing when I'll finish the chemo treatment.
Do you know if there any specific criteria except the location of the tumer?
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phillygirl (I am a Philly girl too!), I totally agree with momschi. You will find doctors who can only do certain types of surgery only recommend those types. If this is what you want, then go with a doctor who can do it. I had completely different circumstances, had to have a mastectomy and radiation. I was told by my ps that the flap surgery was the best way to go because it is the best chance of not failing because of radiation. A woman from my chemo thread had implants with radiation. They did fail like my ps said was a good probability. She went to a small hospital where implants were the only option, so of course they recommended it. I think it sucks that doctors would not be forthright, but make sure you get your questions answered and good luck with your surgery.
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katnat,
I'm an unusual case, I suppose, since I did the reduction from a strictly propylactic angle-- no BC dx, but ADH, which puts me at high risk. Because I had already had an excisional biopsy which came back clean (needle biopsy removed everything), I did not need a BS present for the reduction surgery, which is usually the case. My BS was at NYU, my PS (Mia Talmor) at Weill Cornell. I have only good things to say about her-- she listened to me when I showed up with folders of research I had found, affirmed that this choice made sense for me, and I'm thrilled from a cosmetic viewpoint. Plus, she is just a lovely person. When a BS is needed when cancer is actually present, I believe she generally works with Dr Swistel. I know a couple of people who have used him and been pleased as well.
I am not familiar with Dr Bernik. My understanding so far as the criteria for this particular oncoplastic surgery is that it can essentially be considered a lumpectomy with extremely large margins. I imagine that you would not be a candidate if the cancer is multifocal throughout large areas of the breast, or if you are small breasted to start out-- hence, not enough tissue to spare. I'd estimate that I'm about 1/2 as big as I used to be.
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Hi all, I haven't been here in a while, but I've been off trying to heal. I've had the lumpectomy 2/13 and now the reduction 2/27 and I'm healing from that surgery. It's been slow going but I'm getting there. The doc opted not to put drains and allow things to drain on their own. I think I may have some build up on fluid, but we are getting there. One of my boobs looks a bit square. I have my post-op on Friday. I'll try to update afterwards.
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This is really interesting as I am having a lumpectomy on the 25th and if margins come back clear I will meet with the PS for a reduction. I have already met with him once. And he thought it was no problem. In fact his words were "I can do that".
My Oncologist said it would make the Rads easier. And my BS indicated it could help reduce the chance of recurrence.
Interesting Phillygirl that they opted for no drains. I just assumed there would be. Won't know until I meet with PS again.
They didn't make it sound like an unusual request. I am going to an Banner MD Anderson cancer center.
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I had a bilateral reduction and no drains either... 3 weeks later I went for a 25 mile bike ride. Recovery was really not nearly as bad as I expected.
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Phillygurl, how did your post-op go?
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When I was first diagnosed with DCIS, I asked my BS if lumpectomy + reduction was an option. She stated we would do the lumpectomy first, followed by rads and then ultimately meet with the PS to discuss reduction. After two lumpectomies with + margins and now considered high grade, multi-focal DCIS, I'm scheduled for BMX in two weeks. I guess that means I'm getting a reduction after all . Hope you are all doing well post-op.
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Hi all - I'm still healing. It's a bit slower than I anticipated. I had my post-op appoint on March 14th. I still have quite a bit of swelling, some pain around the incisions and some areas that are still open and slowly healing. I'm still not allowed to drive. ( I tried last week and it was all I could do to get home and rest my arms).
I'm hanging in there. I'm moving my arms around so I don't loose range of motion.
I honestly thought I'd be farther along by now and be ready to start chemo next week.
So I'm hanging in there. How do I prepare for chemo?
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Glad to hear you are still hanging in there. Can't help with the chemo question. But I am sure it's somewhere on the board. I'm surprised you still have some open areas. Make sure you tell your Dr. before you start chemo, don't know if it matters but I would check anyway.
I go in for Lumpectomy on Tues. Not so worried about the surgery itself as the margins after. Hugs to you. Stay in touch.
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Surgery went really good. Better than I expected. Had a little scare with the margins. One stain they weren't sure if it was in or out of duct. After closer review it's all Good!! No drain so my boob started sloshing last night. . What a freaky feeling.
Already scheduled for Monday for reduction. Little sooner than expected. But it will be over with.
Opted to stay overnight. I think that is the best for me. Plus my sister is a nurse and she advised it also. Dr. totally agreed and seemed happy for that decision.
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Hi all,
I am newly diagnosed with Stage I Grade 2 IDC. I just had an MRI this week to make sure nothing else was amiss, and the results showed that we are dealing with just the one tumor in my left breast, 1 cm. Still waiting for the results of PR and ER tests.
I met with my breast surgeon last week and he offered the possibility of a lumpectomy with breast reduction, done at the same time. He would perform the lumpectomy and sentinel node biopsy, then the plastic surgeon would take over for the breast reduction. I was concerned that there was not a "medical" reason for the reduction, but he said that it can help during radiation and for future mammograms. My breast tissue is quite dense and lumpy and I could not feel my tumor. It was the mammogram that found it. Even the surgeon said he couldn't really feel it, (It's deeper into my breast.) The breast surgeon is not "pushing" this surgery, but he is offering it as an option.
I noticed that many of you had the reduction done at a later date, well after your lumpectomies. My surgeon spoke as if it was a normal procedure to have both done at the same time. I meet with my surgeon again tomorrow, during which time we will determine what kind of surgery I will have. Any thoughts?
I was also happy to read that some of you recovered from the breast reduction surgery in a matter of a few weeks. I am a pre-K teacher and I don't want to miss too much time from work!
Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Mine was done about 5 days after my lumpectomy. They wanted to be sure the margins were clear. However, my surgeon decided that she wanted a little more clearance and when I went for my reduction she went first and did a little bigger margin. Then the plastic surgeon took over. The tissue was clear. But it make her feel better. And me too.
I also have very dense breasts. Having the surgery was the best decision I ever made. They took over 5 pounds off between them not including the lumpectomy. I believe my DCIS was a little larger than yours, so thats probably why they opted to check first. Just check with your breast surgeon to make sure he/she does a good wide margin. And I would go for it. I actually wanted to do it all at once. But they wanted to be sure first. My insurance did cover it. The breast fat holds estrogen so reducing the fat also reduces the amount of estrogen. At least that is the way they explained it to me. If they do radiation you may have to wait for about 4 weeks to allow for healing. Not knowing how large you are I had to have drains. They didn't really hurt except of course the first few days but they were just a PITA. But totally doable. I would count on a few weeks depending on how well you heal then even if you still have drains you should be able to return to work just be careful.
They will also usually do a "clean up" surgery 6 months or so after the original. Just to take care of any little issues, like where the drains were I had little "wings" LOL and if any unevenness. Usually caused by the radiation. But that was NO Biggie. Was in and out in 45 mins or so.
My only suggestion is if you have it, opt to stay over the first night. I was glad I did. I would not have felt up to going back the next day.
Sorry so long
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
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Thanks for your answer, rettemich. It was reassuring to read that you are glad you made the decision to have breast reduction.
Since my original post, I have seen a plastic surgeon who agreed that I'm a good candidate for the lumpectomy with reduction. I will have to wait 4 weeks until I begin radiation, like you said.
My surgery is scheduled for a little under two weeks. I've been told that I will have drains and that I will go home the same day. Yeah, I would probably feel better spending the night in the hospital, but I might not have a choice. I'm already freaking out about any added charges, copays, "allowed expenses," etc.
I told my school that it would be "at least" two weeks before I return to work, but I am concerned it may be longer. Yesterday, I had to deal with a combative little boy who hit me a couple of times, and as I knelt down on the carpet to talk to him, he stomped on my fingers! Yikes!
How long did you have your surgical drains? I was told it would be only a few days. I have a follow-up with the plastic surgeon four or five days after surgery and it was my understanding that the drains might come out then.
Can't think of anything else right now.
Thanks again!
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I had large breasts and the surgeon suggested that the plastic surgeon do a reduction at the same time as the surgeon did his lumpectomy. Glad I did - went from a "G" cup to a "C" cup. Clothes fit much better. A year later, after I finished chemo, I did the other side so that I would match. The first surgery had a longer recovery because they also did a sentinel node biopsy and port placement at the same time, and ended up puncturing my lung. Second surgery was much easier and quicker to recover from. I think you could be back to work within 2 weeks if there are no complications. good luck!
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Update:
I had my surgery the morning of Sept. 24. After reading some of these posts, I was so happy to learn that my BS waited until after I was under to inject the dye and place the wire!
I have a follow up appointment with my BS (or, actually, one of his colleagues in a different office because my BS is traveling) this Wednesday, about two weeks post- surgery. However, I saw the PS five days post-surgery, and he removed my bandages and drains. I see him again next week.
So, what should I be looking for/asking when I see the BS this week? Because it isn't the BS who did the actual surgery on me, I feel like I may not get as much info as I want. I will get the results of the sentinel node biopsy, find out if my margins were clear, and I want to ask, what's next? I have not had the Oncotype DX test, and it has not yet been discussed. After reading about it recently, and hearing from a friend of my husband's that she's glad she had the test, I feel like I should ask for the test.
As for how I am feeling, I mainly just feel "tight" and a bit achy from under my armpits to the center of my chest. Tonight, I started feeling a few quick, sharp pains in/around my right nipple. I'm guessing it's just from my nerves starting to wake up. Some of my breast skin is sensitive to the touch, and some is numb. Some of my sutures are quite noticeable, and in other areas, I can't see them under the skin. I'm still sleeping on my back for the most part, because it's a little uncomfortable on my side. I am wearing Moena cotton bras 24/7. I unhook them for an hour or two a day.
I am supposed to return to work a week from tomorrow. I am a preschool teacher and I'm worried about all the up and down activities and occasionally having to physically engage one or two children who are still learning that they can't barrel through the classroom knocking over everyone and everything in their paths. Not to mention the group hugs I often receive!yikes! Also, do you have any idea how often preschoolers poke their teachers in the chest? Lol.
I know this is rambling. If anyone wants to ask me more about my experience, I'm happy to share! Feel free to offer advice to me, too!
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