Multifocal DCIS - do SNB or not?
Hello ladies,
I was just diagnosed on Monday (5/18) with multifocal DCIS, meaning there are 2 places in my right breast where DCIS was found. In addition to a mastectomy, my surgeon wants to do a sentinel node biopsy, but I'm wondering the following:
1) If there are 2 locations of DCIS, will they both lead to the same node?
2) Is it possible to go ahead with a mastectomy, have the breast checked by a pathologist, and if it turns out I have true DCIS, not do a lymph node biopsy at all? Is this a smart option, especially considering I have multifocal DCIS? What are the chances that the pathologist will miss any IDC?
Thanks so much for your advice! I'm still reeling from the diagnosis. For some reason, I'm emotionally fine with the thought of a mastectomy, but the SNB gives me some pause if it means I'm at risk for lymphedema at all in the future.
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Hi wencit,
Sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis. We know this is a scary and confusing time for you but you're not alone. The kind and caring ladies and men here can help and support you through this.
We always encourage members to discuss their treatment options with their oncologist/doctor first and foremost.
While you wait for other members to chime with their personal experiences and knowledge, you might like to read the section on 'Treatment for DCIS' from the main site on Breastcancer.org.
Here's what it says regarding SNB for DCIS patients.
"Checking the lymph nodes for any signs of cancer spread is not a standard part of treatment for DCIS, although it does happen in some cases. Early research shows that in some DCIS cases, there may be a benefit in having sentinel node biopsy (removing only the first 1 to 3 nodes closest to the cancer). Some factors that may lead to sentinel or underarm lymph node biopsy:
- The breast has widespread areas of DCIS.
- There is a significant amount of high-grade DCIS in the breast.
- microinvasion (small amounts of cancer have spread beyond the milk duct)
- Diagnosis of DCIS happened at a young age (under 40)". Read more here...
Keep posting and let us know how you get on.
Warm wishes,
The moderators.
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I don’t know the answer to your first question, but to answer your second question about waiting until after the mastectomy to see if a SNB is needed, they can’t do that. Once the breast is gone, there is no way of identifying the sentinel nodes. I believe there is a new technique used by Angelina Jolie where they do mark them prior to surgery just in case, but that is not really being done anywhere else yet. You could always ask your doctor about it, but as I said it is not in common use at this point. I suspect part of why it’s not is that the pathology would need to be completed before all the dye (which marks the nodes) passes out of the body and most places are not equipped to do it that quickly but that is just a guess.
Regarding your first question, my mother had a mastectomy with SNB and they only removed one node. She did have two separate areas of cancer - one DCIS and one IDC. I believe they were fairly close together though, and since she had a known IDC they may only have tried to identify it from that one spot - I really don’t know.
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I also don't have the answer to your first question but confer with the above poster. I can tell you that I also had multifocal high grade DCIS but I also had a microinvasion so I had to have an SNB done and it was no big deal at all. I haven't had even a hint of any issues, lymphedema or anything like that. I just get blood tests and blood pressure in the one arm but it hasn't been a problem.
Sorry about what you're going through, for me its been almost 2 years since my DX and since then I had a 2nd child. You will be okay just like I am!
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The "sentinel" node is the first node or first few nodes in a chain that lymph fluid drains to from the area around the tumor. The theory is if cancer has spread it will show up in those lymph nodes. They used to remove a lot more nodes but now usually just do the sentinel node(s) and while you are still at risk for lymphedema its less common. A blue dye is injected into the nipple a few hours before the surgery and the surgeon removes any nodes that are blue for testing. After the breast is gone as Annette 47 noted, the sentinel nodes cannot be identified. I think the confusion may be that if you have DCIS and are having a lumpectomy they don't remove sentinel nodes because you still have your breast and it can be done in future if needed. I had a mastectomy for widespread DCIS and 2 nodes removed. Haven't had any problems so far! -
I think the answer to your first question depends on the location of the two DCIS, i.e. if they are close they might be 'on' the same sentinel node but if they are in different quadrants they might lead to different sentinel nodes.Since you have multifocal DCIS and will be having a mastectomy anyway I think it makes sense to have SNB as part of your surgery. I had the same surgery as your doctors are advising and have had no problems as a result of lymph nodes removal.
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I have heard of a woman on this site that had her sentinel nodes marked during surgery so that they could be identified post-MX if anything invasive was found. I had 2 nodes originally taken at my BMX and have dealt with stage-0 LE since. I think the low probability of LE that they tell us (1-2%) does not include Stage 0, which involves small amounts of swelling and arm pain. I have to be careful with my arm and protect it from blood draws, blood pressure cuffs, bug bites, hang nails, cuts, sun burns, and other injuries. I do lymphatic drainage massage and wear a sleeve if I have problems, and the pain is usually gone in an hour. Anyone who's had lymph nodes removed should be careful.
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I wondered about that too but it seems that a SNB is standard for grade 3 DCIS. I wonder what the chances are that a person also has invasive cancer with grade 3 DCIS?
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