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  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2015

    Hi Janet and all peeps,

    I am really intrigued/confused about these 'crop circles' - I don't have them! Am I supposed to at this point?? What are they and where do they come from?

    Janet, it's really lovely to hear how thrilled you have been getting the nips. It really sounds like the icing on the cake, or maybe the cherries??

    I am super exited when it gets to be my turn although that is some way away yet. I am four months post diep now and i really cannot believe just how fast it has gone. I am due to see my ps in May and I guess he will tell me what's what. I am also down for the gynae, the gastro and my GP. Oh yes, I forgot to say I am also going on a holiday! my GP has arranged this for me as she says I really need it. It's no good to anyone here as it is in the UK, but, I will tell all when I return on the 24th but here are the details http://www.odyssey.org.uk/ I might even post photos!

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited April 2015

    Wintetsocks,

    A crop circle is the round area of skin/nipple/areola that is removed during immediate DIEP recon and replaced with the tummy flap. Its slightly larger than the areola.

    When you have delayed recon the flap is usually football shape.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    I was wondering what that was, too. :)

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited April 2015

    Winter - SO glad that you're having a holiday, and three cheers for the GP that arranged it for you! You so deserve it, and I'm happy that you have someone in your corner. By the way - I googled Odyssey and it looks like fabulous organization. Have a wonderful time, and give us an update when you get back.

    Janet

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2015

    A good friend of mine was diagnosed with breast cancer a few days ago. My heart has been very heavy, thinking of all she will go through. The general surgeon said the cancer is near the chest wall, so they are doing an MRI tomorrow. I advised her to go to the breast center at the Cleveland Clinic and see my BS, but she doesn't have an opening until mid May. My friend is worried about waiting that long.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    i am so sorry about your friend, JMB, but she is lucky to have you as a resource and a friend.

  • TinaHoff
    TinaHoff Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2015


    I'm so glad you are all talking about nipple reconstruction.  I haven't been on the discussion board for a while, and I've got that coming up at the end of this month. So I'll be doing some reading tonight to prepare.  Also, I just started working again - I'm super excited!  To those who have had the nipple reconstruction, how soon did you return to work? I'm planning to be out the day after my procedure, but return to work two days after.  Does that seem reasonable?  Thank you in advance for your excellent advice!

    Hugs to all,

    Tina

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited April 2015

    Tina - I had nipple recon and fat grafting to fix some symmetry issues, so I took a few days off. I had no pain with the nipple recon. Just had to figure out a way to hide the nipple guards when dressing. You don't want to compress the new nips. I was ok with a blazer, but I don't think a sweater would have worked. Maybe a strategically placed scarf

  • TinaHoff
    TinaHoff Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2015


    Thanks, Ridley! I appreciate the tips. :)

  • StillStanding66
    StillStanding66 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2015

    I'm scheduled to have bilateral mastectomy and Diepflap reconstruction in ten days. I am completely terrified of being under anesthesia for eight hours. I've never had surgery other than installation of my port for chemo. Can anyone offer me some advise on what to expect?

    Thanks

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited April 2015

    Still - I remember someone who had surgery before me writing that when she talked to the anaesthesiologist, he said diep was a boring surgery for him. No major organs involved and long. I think boring for him = good for us!

    I just had my forth surgery since I was diagnosed (lumpectomy, bilateral mast and recon, and 2 revisions). Ranged from 1 hour to 11.5. Made no difference to me. Once you are out you are out, and when you wake up, you have no sense of how much time has passed. Long ones are just harder on your family in the waiting room.

    Have you had your pre op yet? I would encourage you to talk to them about your fears. They might have some suggestions.

    Good luck - and there is a diep 2015 thread that is more active than this one.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited April 2015

    Well to start, prepare your family that it may take longer. My expected 9 hour turned into 13 hours. It felt like a minute to me, but to my family at home waiting for a phone call it was nerve wracking.

    If this is your first major surgery I'm sure this is very scary. There will be many people there to take care of you, just let them know what you need. This may include help washing, dressing or using the bathroom. Don't be embarrassed, they are used to this, its their job. At first you may feel like you were hit by a bus, but you'll be out of bed before you know it. 

    When you wake up you will likely have a catheter so you won't have to use the bathroom the first day. Throughout the first night a nurse will come in frequently to check that there is adequate blood flow to the flaps and offer pain meds. They will also strip and empty your drains. The drains suck, btw, but they are necessary because you wouldn't want all that fluid in your body.

    For me, time went by soooo slowly the first 24-48 hours and I cursed myself for doing this, but that feeling passes and I'm now VERY happy with the results!

    Prayers for you for a sucessful surgery and a speedy recovery.

  • StillStanding66
    StillStanding66 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2015

    thanks so much Ridley and Debian for the encouraging words! I know it's not going to be easy or fun but I agree that I will be glad I did it when it's all over with

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited April 2015

    Still, I was terrified too -- I'd never had any surgery before BC. I learned to appreciate the anesthesiologist! When that person arrives, the long stressful wait is over. They are so good at what they do. You will probably be given an incentive spirometer when you are out of surgery. When you are feeling up to it, you inhale through it and it measures your air intake. It helps you remove the anesthesia from your lungs. My PS said that the anesthesia can sit in little folds of the lungs and deep breathing helps clean it out. The sooner you can clear it out, the better. I made sure the spirometer and a huge glass of water were always nearby to flush all that stuff out. Best wishes!

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited April 2015

    Still Standing - When I told my PS that I was terrified of the long surgery he asked why. Then he said kindly, 'A long surgery is my problem, not yours.

    Being asleep for eight hours is pretty much being asleep for 20 minutes. You close your eyes, then open them, and its done. This is your time for your body and mind to take a break while your fabulous medical team takes over and do what they do so well. Let yourself take a time out, and realize that you are in very capable hands, whose only goal is to make sure that your are safe, and healthy.

    And also remember that this isn't a deep surgery involving organs and stuff. It's fairly superficial - and as one woman described it - a 'frontal realignment'. Is was my anaesthetist who described the surgery as boring. Because, as he said, there's nothing for him to do. No highs - no lows - just a long steady light sleep. I got the feeling this fellow wanted a bit more drama, and my bilateral DIEP surgery was just way too dull (sorry, doc).

    When you wake you'll be groggy, but you have a whole bunch of people that will take care of you. When I woke up I was so relieved that it was over and that feeling of relief carried me a long way. I also remember my recovery as being surprisingly pain free. There were definitely restrictions of movement and range of motion, and sitting up on the first day was tricky, but also manageable. The nurses like to get you sitting on the first day, and it may seem unappealing - but you'll get help. And its the best thing for you. But for that first night you'll just be lying in bed while doctors check up on you every hour or so to make sure that all your blood is moving around the way that it's supposed to .

    Within a few days you'll likely graduate to short walks, taken down hospital corridors leaning on your IV stand. Nothing to worry about though - you'll have help. And you'll probably look forward to these little walks, because you're bored. Between sleeping a lot, walking a bit, watching movies on my iPad, the four days in hospital passed quickly.

    As someone else mentioned you'll have a catheter. It was my first experience with one, and I didn't know what to expect, but I loved it! I begged to have it a little longer so I wouldn't have to walk to the washroom, but the nurses wouldn't budge. And speaking of washrooms, mine was outfitted with a raised seat for the toilet, so that sitting down wasn't too difficult. I was hunched over, and walking like a slow turtle, but it wasn't too bad. In fact, I found that the hunched over-ness was the most frustrating part of the entire recovery. It took me ages to stand up because they pulled my tummy so tight, and my lower back ached. If anyone offers you a back rub during your recovery - take it. In fact, take all the help you can get because you'll be moving at a different speed than you're used to.

    I hope you can find some calm and/or excitement amidst the nerves. I was a basket case for my lumpectomies and pretty anxious about the surgery, but it was a smoother period than I expected. One thing that really helped me was a guided mediation. I downloaded 'guided Meditation for a Successful Surgery' by Bellaruth Naperstak. She helped take away the fear factor, by making the whole procedure seeing less lonely and intimidating. She talks about the role of the patient, and how to make the OR seem like a safe, welcoming place using visualization. And she helped me let go of control and just basically, join in the fun. I can't explain it very well without sounding like a flake - but it worked for me and I went from being a big hairy chicken, to feeling confident and (almost) relaxed.

    Oh, here's the other thing. An Ativan before the surgery is also pretty fantastic. Ask your doctor if he can give you something to make the butterflies go away.

    Good luck with everything,

    Janet

  • mefromcc
    mefromcc Member Posts: 188
    edited April 2015

    LAstar, how true about anesthesiologist. I had surgery yesterday to release a trapped nerve in my foob. I had heartburn that morning, and he gave me something in my IV to stop that! So not only do they take care of anxiety and pain, they are willing to take care of any discomfort 😷.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    Janet: I am not having my surgery until August but your post was very helpful. You don't sound like a flake at all!

  • Janet_M
    Janet_M Member Posts: 1,068
    edited April 2015

    Trvler - Luckily I stopped short of talking about my 'magical friends and allies' that Belleruth suggests we travel with. She also suggests you picture the OR room and picture people you know coming in, those you love, and those you have once loved - and then picture someone catching your eye and nodding their approval. I always pictured my grandmother nodding, and letting me know that I was doing the right thing and that she and everyone else was there to support me. I found it immensely comforting.

    My first surgery was so horrible (I was panicked) and I tried to figure out what scared me so much. I think it's because felt lonely, and exposed. The visualization definitely helped. Also - I don't like like lying flat on the OR table looking up at all the faces, so I asked for two pillows so I could pretend I was at a spa.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    I like the idea about thinking of your grandmother. I am happy about the fact that when we visited the hospital, they showed us the facilities. I can picture where I will be and it helps me to know. The nicest part is that it was not a typical loud busy hospital.

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited April 2015

    Janet -- I listened to the Belleruth before my big diep surgery too -- you pretty well have that sucker memorized!!  Made me chuckle, but I agree she really helps. 

    Had my stitches out today -- have to protect the new nips for another 4-6 weeks.  Still haven't decided what I'm going to do about tattoos, but the Fellow I saw today said I could book them in 10 weeks, and she said they look pretty good.

  • StillStanding66
    StillStanding66 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2015

    Wow! Janet & LAstar, you have made me feel so much better about all this. I will definitely try guided meditation for surgery. I have used it for the last few months to sleep when the chemo was keeping me awake. It certainly does help. Anything to calm the mind I'm all for

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited April 2015

    If I buy one of those meditation things, are they going to put me on a mailing list of some kind? I hate buying anything anymore because I just can't cope with the associated junk mail. The LAST mailing list I want to get on is some cancer list. A woman in our chemo group got a solicitation in the mail for a burial plot. Ugh.

  • StillStanding66
    StillStanding66 Member Posts: 22
    edited April 2015

    A lot of the meditations can be found on YouTube for free

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited April 2015

    I'm pretty sure that I bought my Belleruth guided meditation off iTunes.

  • beachgirl501
    beachgirl501 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2015

    I too listened to Belleruth before my BMX and flew through that surgery June 2014. I am having unilateral DIEP on April 29 and just started listening again. Thank you Janet for you post as the unknown is always scary and you made this surgery sound doable. Thank you for your post.

  • beachgirl501
    beachgirl501 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2015

    go to KaiserPermanente podcast and listen for free. They are all Belleruth.

  • Zenful
    Zenful Member Posts: 599
    edited April 2015

    Janet, you nicely explained the surgery and what to expect. Someone should save it for reposting when the question comes up again.

    Jmb, I am so sorry to hear about your friend's diagnosis. Does she have the option of chemo first? That was the route I went and it allowed me extra time to decide on a surgery plan.

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2015

    I went to get the result of the little lump I got removed on Friday and it is fat necrosis.   I the had to report  that I have another and I have to get that biopsied too, although she did say she thought it was nothing to worry about but 'as you have had cancer'. So off again I go.

    I am in London visiting my son and spent 3 hours at the A&E as I have yet another urine infection. On abx.  I am off on my cancer holiday tomorrow.  

    Sigh.....

  • jmb5
    jmb5 Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2015

    Still, My hardest point before surgery was right before they took me into the OR. I was in a bed and they wheeled me what seemed like half way across the hospital, then left me alone laying outside the OR. The anesthesiologist came out to talk to me, and then I laid there alone some more. I felt very alone and afraid, so I started to pray, and then I softly sang a favorite song from church called Whom Shall I Fear... "I know who goes before me, I know who stands behind, the God of angel armies is always by my side." That just kind of popped in my head, and I found a lot of comfort knowing God had gone before me into that OR.           I agree with the advice to warn your family it could be more than 8 hours. My husband, parents, and his parents were all at the hospital during surgery, and when it hit the 8 hour point and they didn't hear anything, my mom got pretty worried. It took 11 hours for the BMX with immediate DIEP reconstruction. I remember being very groggy and thirsty when I woke up. I had asked for the nausea patch for surgery, so that was part of the reason I was so thirsty. My catheter wasn't as pleasant when it somehow got a kink in it and I felt like I was going to wet the bed. I asked the nurse if I should feel the urge to pee, and she said no, and fixed it.

    Tina, If you're just having nipple reconstruction, you should be able to go back to work when you're planning. If you're having any fat grafting, you might want to wait a couple more days. It hurts! The nipples didn't hurt (even though they looked like they should!), but Ridley's right, you have to get creative with clothes. It's kind of a pain, but was so worth it to me. It was nice having nipples again. I got my tattoos at Vinnie's a couple weeks ago, and I LOVE them!! I look in the mirror and can't even tell they're not real. It's pretty incredible.

    My friend's MRI went well. There were no surprises and they think the lymph nodes look good. The BS told her she would remove 3-4 lymph nodes during the lumpectomy and if they aren't clear, she would remove all the nodes. Did anyone else hear this from their BS, or have it done? The general surgeon told her if he did it, he wouldn't remove anymore nodes, because she would have chemo and rads. She's pretty upset at the thought of all the lymph nodes being removed.

  • Tan72
    Tan72 Member Posts: 52
    edited April 2015

    Hi all, hope everyone is doing well. I had my 3 month follow up from phase 2 and the ps and I discussed de-bulking the outside of the breast (armpit side) has anyone else had fat removed only on the outside to take off some bulk, if so, are you happy you did? She will also be doing some scar revisions and lipo on the upper arms. A little worried about touching the breast, they are a little bulky and hit my arms a little, just curious if anyone else has done this, everything else looks great and glad I had the DIEP.

    Thank you everyone and happy healing.

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