Cancer is just a symptom of disease

Leia, thanks. I tried to listen to find out what his theory is, but it was not easy to tell from the podcast. Also, he is a chiro, not a medical doctor. He was apparently DXed in February 2010, yet there is a video of him talking about bill collection, which appears to be from 2011 and where he seems quite hale and hearty. He also keeps saying things like "I could have went...," and seems confused about the difference between a virus and a bacterium. Let's say I remain somewhat dubious about this guy.

However, in all fairness, he admits that he still has cancer, he just thinks that is OK. Also, I do agree with him that gut health is extremely important, in general and for cancer patients.

Leia, the thing is, most of those tests are not scientific. They are tests that chiros and other alternative practitioners use. The speaker in the podcast is involved in a chiro movement/franchise called Maximized Living. The business works by giving these tests, then giving people more tests that lead to more tests and so on. These are not tests vetted or used by any mainline medical people, as far as I know.

He does talk about vitamin D at one point, and obviously that is a standard medical test. However, the importance he gives it and the conclusions he draws are not necessarily backed by any science.

Leia, my point about most of those being chiro tests was that they are not "scientific," or else have only a dubious relation to cancer.

The reason I pointed it out is that it is basically a scam. There are lots of scam-artist complaints online about the Maximized Living franchise that this guy is part of.

I am not questioning any beliefs. I am questioning the assertion that the guy's approach is "scientific." I am also questioning his credibility. Not because of his beliefs, but because of his apparent commercial interest.

Leia, This is very interesting.  I was wondering if you wouldn't mind stating what alternative medicine has worked for you?  Did you have surgery for your breast cancer and then use an alternative adjuvant therapy?  Thanks for your help.

Leia,

i didn't hear the podcast but when i watched the truth about cancer on youtube, the doc were saying the same thing. i believe human bodies are just very complex. like the doc from anticancer book said our bodies is like a "terrain". we just need to provide our bodies with the right environment so the cancer can't grow.

Wrenn, I've been reading your posts for a long time and it's about time I give credit where it's due. You are truly a voice of reason and I just wanted to say I appreciate it....always. Big, big hugs. 

That's ONE way of looking at it new direction. It is interesting to me how comments made on here are made as declarations of truth. And again, why not stay away if you don't agree? It is like insulting a religion. It is crass and elitist IMO

And, credible or not, this guy didn't have breast cancer.

Well then glad you are on duty Momine. :-)

Labelle, I agree with you about something having gone wrong in the body when cancer appears. However, I think that more often than we currently can tell with tests, that something is some minor genetic fault that sets off a domino effect of tumor suppressors that fail or whatever, eventually leading to cancer. I don't mean that all cancers are genetic, but in my own case, for example, I am sure there is a genetic connection - everyone gets cancer in my family, I was under 50 at DX - we just haven't identified the gene yet.

It is probably still useful to keep the body as healthy and as strong as possible, if nothing else being strong is helpful in tolerating cancer treatment and it may also help keep the cancer in check.

As far as vitamin D, I have read up and down about that. My father, uncle and paternal granddad all had rickets as children, in spite of being relatively well nourished. My dad, uncle and I all have scoliosis. It appears that we have some sort of problem metabolizing vitamin D. It is true that many cancer patients clock vit D deficient or low in D. However, we really don't know if the low D is a contributing cause of the cancer, or if a genetic fault is responsible BOTH for the low D and the cancer (it could be a genetic defect that causes both) or if a genetic defect is responsible for the low D, and thus a predisposition for cancer. It is obviously a good idea to make sure you are not vit. D deficient, but the mere fact of low D being correlated with cancer doesn't mean that having high D protects against cancer.

It's simple. If you are on the alternative forum. You are either here to row the boat or drill holes in it. The hole drillers, seem to enjoy making it "unsafe" for others to travel here. I think they should just paddle with people who they can look at and respect as their equal instead of hanging around constantly waiting to belittle someone with their opinions about them and their choices as if they know the outcomes of their choices. But as long as BCO encourages this, alternative members who need a safe place to share, have to go elsewhere to discuss alternatives, to share about their lives. and their perspectives on cancer. I guess that is how BCO wants it to be since their philosophy for alternative members on the alternative boards seems to be "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Nine twelve, do you think it would work if we also debated conventional users about their conventional treatments, and perspectives on the conventional threads?

It wouldn't occur to me to go to the forum about breast reconstruction and criticize the people who had it done when I didn't.

I had traditional (conventional) treatment but was cut off chemo in the beginning and came to the alternative board to see what I could learn. I very quickly learned that I would be shunned or judged as 'not getting it' so I didn't engage. I am frustrated on behalf of the members here and I think it is shameful that this kind of thing is allowed when BCO runs such a tight ship elsewhere.