DIEP pain? Were you scared?

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Trvler
Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
edited March 2015 in Breast Reconstruction

People keep telling me this is VERY painful. For those of you who decided to go through with it, how did you deal with your fear? Why did you decide to do it How WAS the pain? Were you sorry you did it?

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  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited February 2015

    Trvler,

    I am about 9 weeks post Diep, For me (and I can only speak for me). It was not particularly painful. Everything was pretty straightforward. I did not feel very frightened and was pragmatic about the procedure.

    I decide to do it, because I hated the prosthesis. I wanted to feel relatively normal again.

    No, I am not sorry I did it. For me it worked very well.

    Are you considering it?

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    I am but EVERYONE keeps saying how painful it is and I am petrified.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    I am also terrified of having an ALND, for fear of lymphoma.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited February 2015

    Trvler, I did not have ALND, so I don't know much about it. I did just have DIEP in September and the pain was not as bad as I expected,  except for the breast drains. Yes, they were very annoying and hurt, but I'd still do it again. The tummy drains weren't too bad. I didn't even get my Percocet script filled, I just took ibuprofen once I was home.

    The tummy incision, as big as it is, didn't bother me at all. I had a hysterectomy years earlier and that hurt MUCH more. I reasoned thats because they had to cut through muscle. This time they just moved fat.

    There is a lot of weird nerve sensation, its not like pain, but it is somewhat unpleasant Your chest feels swollen and heavy, plus you walk hunched over the first couple weeks because your tummy is so tight. On the bright side, I had such a huge tummy pouch and it was so amazing to look down and see it gone I didn't mind the recovery.  It takes awhile to completely get your range of motion back too.

    Not to paint too rosy a picture, when you wake up in the hospital you will fill like you've been run over by a bus. But the nurses will make sure your pain is managed and everyday you will feel a little better. You will need someone to help you out too for at least your first week home.

    My DH just had surgery to remove 3 large hemroids. Poor guy, he had a whole lot more pain than I did.

    Is there another type of recon you are considering? Have you discussed your options with your PS?

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Thanks, Ladies!

    Debiann: I have not considered any other type of recon. I am not interested in implants. I have them now and want them OUT. I have not discussed any other options. I have a nice little tummy or not so little on some days. I won't have huge breasts…probably a mid B but that's ok. I want them to be ME. I am just so afraid of any permanent, debilitating pain that I can't move forward. But I am also afraid that because my breasts are not that big and most of them is implant, a lx will leave me with a huge hole. My BS says implants will be fine but I will probably have to have a second surgery to remove scar tissue after rads. So the flaps solves a lot of problems, at least in theory.

  • nmh35
    nmh35 Member Posts: 96
    edited February 2015

    I am 6 days post bilateral mastecomy and DIEP. I didn't know what to expect as far as pain. Honestly for me, it wasn't that bad at all. I didn'tpress my pain pump much at the hospital and now that I'm home I take some Aleve and occasionally a Percocet if I need it. The stomach incision is big, but I don't really feel pain from it, more a tightening and pulling. Breasts just feel heavy and swollen, some pulling pain. The drain insertion points are what bothered me the most. But I'm only 6 days out and got 2/4 removed today. So yes, there will be some pain and discomfort but it's not debilitating as far as I've experienced.

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited February 2015

    I am 6 weeks post op.

    The surgical pain can and will be managed! The worst thing for me was bad back muscle spasms when I was trying to walk or be on my feet for more than a few minutes, and they took about 9 days before they really started to ease.

    The only other acute tummy pain was when I sneezed unexpectedly! And also whenI got nauseous and had a few dry heaves - that was a bit scary at the time.

    I came home day 5 post op and just on Tylenol and Advil for pain, although some ladies are given narcotics, and others seem to hardly complain at all of pain!

    One description of how I felt, that amused me anyway, was "like Robin Williams must have felt in his Mrs Doubtfire costume!" The whole of my frontage felt stiff and swollen, and as it didn't really belong to me.

    Now I'm moving quite well with no real pain. Had a cold this week, and sneezing is still not much fun! Have to remember to sneeze open-mouthed into a tissue, after years spent stiffling sneezes! I can still feel a bit stiff/tight when I first get up.

    My shoulder on the irradiated side still needs work to get my range back, and I'm seeing Physio for that.

    It's all quite doable, even if you have to get through a few rough days, but everyone is different.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Morwena: So you did the mx and the flap at the same time?

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited February 2015

    I had left Mx 2012 for cancer. This surgery I had the right mastectomy, and both breasts reconstructed at the same time.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Morwena: I see you had both a SLND and a ALND. How did you recover from those? Were those before the mx/recon?

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited February 2015

    I never completely got full range back in my left shoulder, after my original surgeries, and I also developed mild lymphedema in that arm. Neither of these things had a huge impact on my life, to he honest.

    I do have a glove and sleeve, and I'm currently in dispute with my LE physio as she wants me to wear them fulltime, but I don't feel the minimal swelling I have (only in my forearm) really goes away by wearing the sleeve, nor does it get worse if I don't! So my druthers is to wear the pressure garments only when I am exercising strenuously, or if my arm does feel more achy/swollen from time to time.

    I was concerned that the surgery would exacerbate the lymphedema, but it hasn't at all; in fact for a couple of weeks my arm looked pretty much normal!

    Also concerned that movement restriction post op would have a detrimental effect on my range as I normally stretch daily, and this was the case as I say, but progress is being made, and I have functional range already.

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited February 2015

    What did tick me off, is that AFTER my reconstruction I found out that the surgeon had removed "a handful" of lymph nodes from the axilla on my non-cancer side to access the blood vessels for the flap, and also three more from my left, the original side.

    I don't know if that is the norm. My LE Physio was also a little concerned.

    It seems nobody can really predict who gets lymphedema and who doesn't. It doesn't necessarily correlate with how many nodes are removed, although the more you have, the greater the risk, which is life-long. Some have lots of nodes out, and never develop it!

    My initial flare up happened in the summer, around 6 months after my original surgeries. It might have been a combination of over use plus bug bites, plus extreme hot weather ..... don't really know!

  • Ridley
    Ridley Member Posts: 634
    edited February 2015

    Trvler -- I was really really lucky with pain -- I didn't use the pain pump that much in the hospital and only took a couple of Tylenol once I was home (and one time was for a fever).  I've historically been very lucky with minimal pain following surgery, but I'm not sure, based on what I have read on these boards that history is always a good predictor (knocking on wood now because I have my last surgery next month). 

    I had a bilat mastectomy and diep recon at the same time, with a sentinel node biopsy on my right side that day as well (the left side had been done when I had a lumpectomy a few months earlier).  I had to have the right side done because we found DCIS on my "non-cancer" side (that's a long explanation to note that I didn't have ALND). 

    Best of luck with your decision.  I've been reading the diep threads from 2013 when I was diagnosed, and I think most are happy with their decision.  I would definitely make the same choice if I had to do it over again, and I didn't sail through without complications -- dissolving stitches that wouldn't dissolve, hole in my abdo incision, fat grafting #1 that re-absorbed, etc. -- they seem like mini-blips now)


     

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Thanks so much for your input, Ridley and Morwenna.

  • Morwenna
    Morwenna Member Posts: 1,063
    edited February 2015

    You're welcome, and good luck with whatever you decide.

    I had a fairly major complication, i.e. clots to my lungs, and did find myself wondering whether, given my known high risk for thromboembolism, I hadn't been rather stupid to put myself through this.

    But, y'know, even though this happened, and I have to stay on anticoagulant now, and even though I will need further procedures before my surgeon is happy with the result, I'm already pretty fond of my new shape (having been "uni-boobed" for two years) and the fact that am currently "NED", and long may that last!

    No regrets!

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2015


    Trvler - It has been 3 years since my BMX with immediate DIEP reconstruction.  When asked today if I made the right decision I can answer with a strong "YES"!  However, for a little while after surgery, I was not so sure.  Everything was so overwhelming at that time and my body felt so foreign that I was sure I had made a mistake.  I didn't have much pain per se and I didn't use my prescription pain killers after the first few days.  But the whole process took some getting used to.  I came home from the hospital with 4 drains that stayed with me for weeks.  I could not stand up straight for a while.  Car rides were very uncomfortable and I felt very housebound.  I had some skin necrosis along the scar tissue on one flap that had me worried and my abdominal incision opened up (about 3 inches long).  I had to pack it and cover it in gauze for weeks.  It eventually closed on its own.  My chest felt really tight, someone described it like wearing a turtle shell on your chest.  It was a very weird time!

    I took 7 weeks off from work and just did very little.  I tried to keep walking and doing my range of motion exercises.  No house keeping or cooking or anything that took much energy.  I slept when I wanted and ate well.  Everyday got better and I realized that it was all worth going through.  I have full range of motion and no lymphedema, even with a ALND on both sides.  I finalized the whole process this year by getting nipples and areola tattoos.  It looks pretty good!

    I am so glad It had the reconstruction at the same time as my BMX.  I probably wouldn't have gone through with it had I waited.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited February 2015

    I had one complication from surgery, "drop foot". In my case it was due to compression on a nerve from the boots you wear during surgery. I had neuropathy in my feet from chemo, so there was some nerve damage before surgery. I did a few weeks of PT and the  drop foot issue is resolved.

    About 5 or 6 weeks after surgery I noticed some bumps that worried me. I had one ultrasound and 3 of the areas are necrosis, which is normal. The 4th bump didn't show up at all, but it is believed to be an undissolved stitch. Doing another scan in 6 months just to be sure.

    That is the one down side to any of the surgery options, lx or mx. Lumps and bumps can appear months afterward for a variety of reasons and it can be very alarming when you notice it. Usually they are b9.

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited February 2015

    Hi Debiann,

    We have spoken before about those little bumps and lumps which is a possible downside of recon surgery, although I am sure not everybody gets them. I am scheduled for a biopsy of the little nodule/firm lump that came up at about 5 weeks post surgery. I am surprised he is going with biopsy rather than u/s... but hey ho, I will just do as he says. But as you say, it is a bit alarming, this has made me feel more anxious than waiting for DIEP surgery. .

    Here in the UK we cannot search around for PS, rather we get a doc who is local to the area you live. I think in some ways that cuts out a lot of the stress. I am fortunate in that my surgeon is very highly thought of, but it would have been difficult if not impossible to go to another on the NHS. Trvlr,I can understand your trepidation in hoping you get someone you want and who is the best. Good luck with your search.

    We also have to wait at least six months for stage ll here. I have a larger 'own' breast and it is going to take a magician to hide the discrepancy come summer!

    Oh yes, it is three years since dx today for me. Still holding on tight! .

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited February 2015

    I had DIEP about a year and a half ago and am very glad I did it. For the first day I felt I'd been run over by a bus but there was minimal pain. It was very well managed and each day I got so much stronger. I have an amazing PS and had full confidence in her and her team. Afterwards you have to be careful with lifting and raising your arms. I am very happy with the results.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    I had a long chat with my OB (I think he feels guilty for telling me I didn't have BC for so long) and he said all three of the PS's I am researching are equally good options. It may then come down to logistics. One of them is close to my area and the other two are a drive to downtown Chicago, which might be hard for me to manage early on after the surgery for post op care.

    Please keep weighing in, ladies.

    Jane: Your story is VERY helpful and encouraging. That is where I wanted to be when all this nightmare was over.

  • feelingblessed
    feelingblessed Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2015

    I am 23 days post double mastectomy and DIEP. The pain is not bad. The only thing that hurts is where they had to cut some cartilage to access blood vessels. I am slowly straightening up and slowly am regaining range of motion. I am going to have my breasts augmented as I did not have a lot of fat on my tummy and want my D's back. I am attempting work next week as I have a very sedentary job.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited February 2015

    i was fine recovering from my diep. I was so happy with the results I think that helps.

  • 3BoyzMom
    3BoyzMom Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2015

    Hi Trvler,

    I had my BMX with immediate DIEP last June and was in the hospital Monday-Thursday, followed by at home recovery for about 6 weeks. I think you will perceive the pain to be much worse than it actually will be! : ) I used the pain pump the first night and switched to oxycodone the next morning. Oxy worked better but the pain pump was immediate but didn't last long. I kept up with the pump whether I thought I would need it or not, and really I think that helped the most. Don't let the pain get out of hand and you will be fine. I think the next few days, I was more sore than really painful. When I got home, I was advised to alternate between 3 ibuprofen and the oxycodone. That helped especially since I timed it so that I got an oxy before bed so it helped me sleep. I slept in my recliner in the great room for about 4 weeks because, although it wasn't painful, it was not comfortable at all to sleep in bed. I'm a stomach sleeper and just couldn't do that for about 8 weeks. Don't let the pain scare you. If you can get through the first 24 hours following surgery, I think you will be able to manage the pain and discomfort. As others have mentioned, I had more pain (in my back) trying to do my daily walks around the neighborhood. I did it slowly and eased into the walking and a few weeks later my back started to feel okay for longer periods when I was upright. I am happy I did it and do not regret it! Good luck! : -)

  • kripplinger
    kripplinger Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2015

    Feelingblessed,,Was i t really not that horrible? Just met with the reconstructive surgeon yesterday..I dont know which was to go. I will be having bmx and want to do the DIEP but I am such a wimp...I dont know if I can handle it. I do like how some people say they have even got some feeling back...

    Worried and Confused

  • gale1525
    gale1525 Member Posts: 232
    edited March 2015

    The pain for me was not that bad, felt good enough to go back to work full time 10 days out( minus any lifting). If it wasn't for the drains I could have gone back several days sooner.

  • annieb4
    annieb4 Member Posts: 106
    edited March 2015


    I was really surprised at how little pain there is. I agree with 3boys, it is more sore than painful. I was expecting the worse and it seemed like the nurses where always coming in with pain pills. And yes, if you stay on top of it, it won't be bad at all. Granted it is not a walk in the park, but when you think about what they actually do, it is amazing how doable it is.

    As for the fear, I think any surgery is fearful, just put your faith in your doctors and your decision and you will be fine.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited March 2015

    I feel better about it, especially now that I am not doing it for a while. lol. I am starting chemo. Now I am scared of THAT.

  • annieb4
    annieb4 Member Posts: 106
    edited March 2015

    lol Trvler....I am quite sure we were all a little if not a lot scared . This is a journey that none of us wanted to take and yet here we are. It is all unknown to most of us and it affects all of us so different. You need to just do what it is you have to do to get thru it. Put the trust in your doctor and you will be fine.

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited March 2015


    Trvler - Chemo is doable if you are prepared.  I was able to work throughout chemo and radiation.  There are a number of good posts on BCO about preparing for chemo.  If I can answer any questions, feel free to ask.

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited March 2015

    Thanks, Janetanned. I have been reading a lot in the chemo board so I feel better prepared. I got a second opinion MO because I didn't like the first guy and he was far from home. The second MO is reticent to give me chemo before surgery. Ugh. She wants to see the second set of imaging and asked me to go ahead and biopsy all the other areas I was recommended to biopsy so I am doing that Friday. I am also consulting Monday at the Center for RBS in NOLA on Monday. THEY are the ones saying I should have chemo first. So I don't have a treatment plan in place quite yet. But all of you in this thread have made me feel better about the DIEP. So thank you. :)

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