Fat Necrosis or cancer?
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask...but I'm going for it. Just about an hour ago I was feeling around my chest and along my mx scar. I have lumpy tissue there which I know is normal, however above that on my skin flap I feel an actual lump. Of course I'm panicked, but trying to not freak totally out. I had a mx and my reconstruction failed so I still have skin flaps and this is where I am feeling it and yes it is on my cancer side. Also, which is concerning that the lump is close to where my original one was if I still had an actual breast....if that makes sense.
So, how do I know if this is fat necrosis or something like that? What does fat necrosis feel like as opposed to the cancer? Any help or insight is appreciated.
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Tang, hi, I wonder the same thing. I have a spot right underneath my scar, that they are calling fat necrosis, and that they are watching. It feels EXACTLY like the first bump, that I found with my own hand. I hate that I have to trust them, but I guess I do. And mine has even gotten bigger, and no-where does it say that fat necrosis gets bigger. And I missed my follow-up appointment after my mammo and us, and mri with my bs, and I read the test results, Probably benign, and so when i called to talk with bs to reschedule so i could ask questions, she hasnt called me back. I gave her a whole month, so monday, I am calling them again. You can call yours right? And they will probably want you to come in...just to be on the safe side. The good thing is, even if it was something, it takes quite a while to get big enough to harm very much. Good luck, and let me know what you find out, okay?
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About a year ago I found a little nodule, about pea-sized along my mastectomy scar line. I was convinced it was cancer, and showed it to a doctor who said it didn't feel like malignancy, but we should get it checked.
I had an ultrasound and the radiologist said he also thought it didn't LOOK too suspicious, but he would biopsy it to be sure. Biopsy came back as scar tissue. This was just over a year post mastectomy.
In summary, take your lump to be checked out, and I hope it is benign, as mine was!
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Thanks Morwenna......I am definitely calling doctor Monday on this. This lump is not on scar line, it is above it. I also remember that I just had a chest CT in December and nothing showed up on that at that time....surely if this was something sinister it would have??
uggg, I'm gonna just try to stay busy this weekend and then call MOnday and try to not to obsess.
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I had the same last autumn, bent down to do something and for some reason touched my breast and realised there was a significant hard lump there. Immediate panic & as always just before bed so a horrendous night! Anyway they said to come in and get it checked. When the surgeon felt it he said he was almost 100% certain it was fat necrosis but for peace of mind to have an ultrasound. As soon as the radiologist put the probe on it she said its fat necrosis, just a big bit! She said it was quite common especially if you have had quite a bit of surgery.
It is still there, hurts/is tender sometimes as I think it pulls on the tissue around it when I move but it will hopefully be removed when I have the final stage of my reconstruction. I also had a failed reconstruction previously, plus a similar diagnosis.
I would go and get it checked, good luck.
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I always wonder though, I mean fat isn't really LIVING, now, is is??? Maybe it does have lille threads of tiny blood vessels in it, I don't know. Weird. And what does something in your body thats dead, DO??? yuck
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Just got a minor op to remove such a lump yesterday. my surgeon seems unconcerned but said for peace of mind to get it out. I did not feel happy to leave it. I waited for it to resolve, it didn't, so my surgeon and myself agreed to remove it. I get the results in four weeks.
I have a dressing on it now, but when I touch it I feel happier that I can no longer feel the lump/nodule.
Tangandchris - we cannot determine what is fat and what is cancer. Take it to the doctor.
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There is only one way to know...to get it checked and BIOPSY it. I had a lump near my original tumor which felt just like scar tissue to the docs. I insisted on a biopsy and they said after excising it that it STILL looked just like hard, crusty scar tissue. They were wrong. You can see below how it turned out. You need peace of mind and definitive answers. Advocate for yourself to get them.
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I just went through this last week. Felt a lump about an inch above my lumpectomy scar. I'm in radiation and I showed it to my RO. He said it felt like fatty tissue but said lets do an ultrasound which I did the next day. The technician felt it and she too thought it was fatty tissue. She did the ultrasound and nothing showed up but tissue. I have had three ultrasounds at different times because something felt weird. I now consider myself a hypochondriac when it come to lumps - thanks a lot BC. Hoping it turns out to be nothing for you.
Nancy
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So, I know I'm playing a dumb game here, but I'm trying to calm my fears. How long after cancer tx ends is it "normal" for recurrence to happen? I mean I just ended chemo in June and Rads in August....seems awfully soon after tx to have this come up....right? uggg
thanks everyone I know I gotta see the doc on this.
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Tang, are you taking an anti hormonal? Although I can see that tamoxifen didn't help KBeee. I think this week I am going to call my breast surgeon, and insist I want that out, just out, and also this place on my side under my axilla, first they said it was a reactive node, benign when biopsied, and then they said benign glandular tissue, then they said nodule/complicated cyst. Thats the one that worries me most, this has been going on for over a year, and as it is just barely out of the range of the mammo as it is just outside the curve of my breast at the nine oclock position on my right, it is a hard and lumpy thing that actually hurts everyday, and reminds me all the time of bc. As soon as I wake up. I really just want that one out I have decided. I am hoping they wot say no. I have had MRI's, and supposedly, it is not cancer, but a biopsy of it would make me happy. Just plain out, and slice up the whole thing.
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TB-I am on Tamoxifen....I guess I should update my sig. I'm not understanding the node thing completely. Looks like you had 30 taken out, I had 25 out....then I've seen some with only 2 or 3. What is the deciding point on this? I'm confused about nodes! I feel soreness under my arm as well, that is what got me feeling around and I felt the lump.
I don't blame you about wanting it out.
((hugs))
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I have heard two seperate stories on the node thing. One, that the nodes are in a kind of "pillow" of fat, and that they all come out together. Two, and this is what my lymphedema therapist says, and it is drawn on charts that way too, that they are spread out everywhere, and run alongside your blood vessels. I think the women who had conservative breast surgeons are the more enlightened ones, taking fewer, because the famous Z11 trial showed that it was ok to take out less, especially if the woman was going to be doing chemo, and radiation, and anti hormonals, in which case those modalities would help mop up any cancer in the nodes. I think mine took out so many, because she took a dislike to me. And at that time, I didn't know that I could refuse any part of treatment. Anyway, to answer the other part of your node question, yea, that's how I found new scary node r bumps myself. They explained that since the other nodes were removed, the one that are left have a bigger job to do, and thats wha makes them harder, bigger and more reactive. They are part of your immune system, and clean stuff up, and they can sort of like get backed-up. That's what they tell me anyway. What I have heard though also is that there is something that they call chemo protective, meaning that the chemo that they did, has an effect for quite a while, to make your local "environment" unfriendly to any new cancer cells for quite a while. I think that is why the docs don't worry about recurrence as much as we do. A big hug for you, too, and I always wanted to ask, are those dogs dressed in clothes looking out the window, or kids? I can't see them that clear at all, or one kid and one dog? is that tang and chris?
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i thought they took all of mine....I really need to get a list of questions again to take when i see BS. What did you mean by you didn't think our BS liked you?
So the pic is of our dog and baby standing in the window looking out. Baby is 5 now and doggy is a mini schnauzer
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There were several of us who had reconstruction at the same time who, about a year later, found small lumps in the area above our flaps. For all of us, the lumps were oil cysts from necrosis. Mine were a little sore and sometimes made the skin a little red. They have since resolved. I had a MRI to diagnose and made sure that a BS who is savvy about flaps reviewed it (my local team did not interpret the images correctly because they are unfamiliar with flap recon). We always have to check with our doctor to be sure, but I hope it gives you some relief to know that oil cysts seem fairly common after any type of breast injury. Best wishes!
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Lastar,
This does make me feel better having just had such a lump removed on Fri.
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As far as nodes, if imaging shows cancer is possible within any nodes, they will do ALND and take a bunch because they already know it's in the nodes. If not, then they will do a sentinel node biopsy where they inject blue dye and/or radioactive tracer into the tumor and see which node(s) it flows into. If these are negative, they do not take more. If those are positive, they do ALND.
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Unless you really insist. I found out my friend refused to have her nodes touched at all, because of another pre existing condition, and they did comply with her request. And even my new breast surgeon said more and more, they are only taking enough to correctly stage someone. Because of all the adjuvant therapies.
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well I got in to see BS and she sending me for ultrasound. She said it is solid, bit it moves around. I think I'm going to insist on biopsy.
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So I just got home.....radiologist did biopsy to be sure but she thinks it is just fat necrosis. I'm exhausted and still scared, hope to have results by Wed.
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tangandchris,
wow, that's quick results! I have to wait for 4 weeks!
I can really relate to your anxiety and exhaustion. It's awful to have to have further biopsies.
Well done for going and asking for a biopsy. You will be much happier when you can finally put this to bed.
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Yes, I was amazed at how quickly this all happened today. Grateful and amazed!
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Crossing my eyes, fingers, thighs and toes for you, Tang.
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Thanks for the good wishes!
I'm sick at my stomach today with worry. Am I just being ridiculous, I mean if the radiologist and tech said the biopsy was to jus be completely certain why am I so worried? Is it still possible for it to come back malignant? Okay..okay, I know the answer to this...that is why I'm scared. Always a chance, right?
uggg, wishing I had some Zofran left.
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I do, want some? They could probably give you some. I was always wondering whether they just provide them for chemo, I think they also give them to pregnant women with severe nausea? Call Doc!! When my BS had told me last time, we MAY do a skin punch , just to make sure, I conveniently "missed" that office visit for follow up after the MRI, and have yet to re schedule. Let's wait until we can just SEE it.
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I got the all clear this morning....benign!! Not sure if surgeon will say leave it or want it out, she is supposed to call tomorrow. Not sure how this works to be honest
So TB, were you supposed to get biopsy?
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Congrats on your good news!
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congrats!!!!
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Yay, Tang! glad to hear that. I wasn't sure tho if she did want me to do one or not. since i had to miss the follow up visit, i called her receptionist and told her if she thought i needed to be rescheduled or not. she said she would give her the message, 6 weeks later, no phone call yet from BS. Am i falling through that crack? I guess maybe i could call tomorrow, just to be sure.
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yes....I think you should. I would be climbing the walls after 6 weeks!!
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Normally, that's me too!! But, I was leaving that ball in her court. But now that you have done it, I gues she will be getting a call from me tomorrow, I am sooo happy that you are fine! I was only a little reluctant, because I had read elsewhere here on BCO, that biopsying can actually CAUSE more fat necrosis. eeeew.
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