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  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited February 2015

    Interesting to read Vit D in the evening. Read elsewhere here that it interrupts some women's sleep. Yogagirl, can you explain the reason for D in the evening

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015
  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    BC - there are good D3 supps. you can take to bring those levels up, independently of calcium/mag. That's what I do, as I need more D than what's in most of the combo supps.

    Re: the salad - I, too, think of making it only in the summer. I'll have to re-think it. Glad to know the recipe is so good!

    Trvlr - I'm glad I wasn't reading that at work. You cracked me up! Thanks!

    Yoga girl and others - thanks for sharing such intriguing links.


  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited February 2015

    *Hormone & Cortisol Testing*

     

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Happy Friday from MN - lake of 10,000 frozen lakes!

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    Hopeful - Yes, I've been taking extra Vitamin D3. I'm currently using the NOW brand.

    Yogi_girl - wow, you are packed with info on health and nutrition. My guess is that you live on the west coast? Here in the midwest we are a little behind on all that like everything else. A friend of mine in Florida sees a 'hormone doctor' but I'm not sure it's for nutrition. As for me, I am searching for an internal medicine doc who will help guide me in supplementing my diet as a cancer survivor. Like everything else with this, you really have to hunt. I don't know why they can't offer more for us in this area.

    I did see a nutritionist at a cancer clinic when I was first diagnosed. She basically recommended the Mediterranean Diet, the book, "The New American Plate" and recipes from this website:

    http://www.aicr.org/new-american-plate/

    I signed up for email recipes and started my own cookbook collection of recipes.

    Any other favorite sites for recipes? I have a terrible sweet tooth so am always searching for healthy treats to help satisfy the cravings.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    Sorry, BC - I realized later that my post sounded condescending and I certainly didn't mean it that way. I know that you know all that about D!

    I picked up a book at the library that I've like: "The Whole-Food Guide for Breast Cancer Survivors" by Bauman & Waldman. It takes an approach that I'm comfortable with and doesn't talk down to readers. It does not have that many receipes, however, so might not be the best choice if that's your primary interest.

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Hopeful - No worries.

    I'm always on the lookout for any tidbits anywhere I can get it. I'll check out that book. I get a lot of my recipes from pinterest. I really missed it when my computer was down for a couple of weeks.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    Thanks for being so gracious, BC.

    Do you like The Splendid Table? Sometimes I find good recipes there that aren't too time-consuming or complex. Pinterest can be wayyy too habit forming for me!

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Oh yes...I always forget about The Splendid Table. Thanks for the reminder!

    I know what you mean about pinterest - and being online in general. I need to put myself on a computer diet, lol!

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015
  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited February 2015

    bc101

    wishing you all the best in finding answers

  • formydaughter
    formydaughter Member Posts: 213
    edited February 2015

    Trvler - you made me laugh. Thank you! I needed that!

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Formy: I am glad I made you laugh. I think laughter is really important if you are sick. Unfortunately, I don't get enough of it. But fortunately, I get to go see the comedian I have been trying to see for 4 years now tonight. I am so excited!

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Who are you going to see?

  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    Don Friesen. I discovered him on satellite radio. He has a Showtime special about a year ago.

  • bc101
    bc101 Member Posts: 1,108
    edited February 2015

    Just goggled him. He's really funny. Not bad to look at either, lol! Have fun!

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited February 2015

    I just want to say a HUGE THANKS to whomever mentioned magnesium for hot flashes. I was unable to do chemo due to allergy (a secret relief since I was onco type 20 and intuitively felt it was not the right course for me), so I went to a new MO who suggested OS plus AI. Last month I had my first Zoladex injection and noticed nothing but the occasional strange feeing headache for the first two weeks. I thought, OK, maybe this won't be so bad. WRONG! Hot flashes started after two weeks and while I was having exchange surgery two weeks ago I was having like 12-15 per day, maybe more, waking me up multiple times at night, at times I thought I had post op fever. I figured I had nothing to lose trying the magnesium and within 48 hours of starting the number of hot flashes has dropped to less than 5 in 24 hours, only one at night usually close to when i get up anyway. This had held for the past few days. Very dramatic change, I am convinced. I take one 500mg tab at night with my vitamin D3.

  • Nash54
    Nash54 Member Posts: 837
    edited February 2015

    Fourminor.....so glad mag is working for you. I was not the one who suggested it for hot flashes but I use it for several other issues. I'm convinced most if not all of us are mag deficient.

    Curious about your 2nd surgery. Were you not able to have lx due to previous rad?

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited February 2015


    American Society of Clinical Oncology

    Wishing all of you the best in finding answers to your questions.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited February 2015

    Nash--yes, once you do Rads, you can't do it again to that body part. You are given the full dose that you can have for your life.

  • Fourminor
    Fourminor Member Posts: 354
    edited February 2015

    Kayb--I'm glad too! Tx!

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited February 2015

    My naturalist doc who specializes in BC turned me on to magnesium. At the time he was trying to help me with my tamoxifen-induced joint/muscle pain. That stuff worked great! Now that I'm 5 weeks into my surgically-induced menopause, i'm starting to get warm flushes mostly in the early morning hours. However they are quite mild and brief which was surprising to me. I expected full on soak-the-bed hot flashes. Maybe the magnesium is what is helping. Doesn't really matter....I'm pretty happy so far. But my point to this is that my doc told me to take SloMag. It can be bought at Walmart for about $10 for a bottle of 60 tabs. The box has a $.75 off coupon printed inside which helps. I take 2 in the am and 1 in the pm. I figure it's a pretty decent price for how much it's helped me. And the cherry on top was that after my hysterectomy, I was back to having my regular BMs on day 3! I'd heard all the horror stories about this and the pain from constipation and was really worried. Shouldn't have been. Magnesium worked like a charm! Of all my supplements, I think this is the best one second only to Vitamin D.


  • Trvler
    Trvler Member Posts: 3,159
    edited February 2015

    I am so glad to hear about the benefits of magnesium and thanks you, I recommended it to a friend today who told me she was up all night because of hot flashes. I wouldn't have known that one unless I read it here.

  • lala1
    lala1 Member Posts: 1,147
    edited March 2015

    Interesting article on turmeric/cucurmin and BC. No mention of Tamoxifen though.

    How Turmeric May Help Fight Breast Cancer | Care2 Healthy Living

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited March 2015

    Add Olive Oil to your diet.
    Research says that Polyphenols (specifically "oleocanthal") in Olive Oil is useful against cancer.
    See the forum section "Clinical Trials, Research Studies, News, and Study Results" for more info, or google: oleocanthal and Rutgers University.

  • DianaNM
    DianaNM Member Posts: 281
    edited March 2015

    Very interesting about turmeric. It's one supplement that I make sure I get every day, though I've started taking the Gaia one. The cost of this keeps going up. I've been making sure most of my supplements are food based, and now I'm looking at mushrooms thanks to this thread. Been taking Maitake for a while, but right now some Chaga tea is steeping in my kitchen.

    For those of you not following a vegetarian diet, I have to recommend grass fed beef liver as a superfood, along with GF bone broth. Liver has so many good things in it. Try cooking it the Venetian way, carmelized onions, some wine, lemon peel, no breading. And if you are not up to making bone broth, Great Harvest hydrolyzed gelatin gives the same benefit. Really helps with joint pain if that is an issue. Always, for me.

    BC101, I subscribe to the PaleoMG blog, and she's big on dessert type recipes. Speaking of, I made some outstanding mint chocolate chip ice cream last summer! Gelato, actually. Got some grassfed whole milk and cream, pastured eggs, used a minimum of organic sugar (1/2 cup for a recipe I think), pureed some fresh mint from our backyard, and chopped up some dark chocolate to put in at the end. I just ate a small serving each day until it was gone, daughter helped. It was so good! Another good one was lavender infused gelato sweetened with a little honey. I cannot tolerate conventional dairy, but can tolerate this very well.

    Guess this would be why I am needing to diet again. Lost about 40 pounds in 2010, went paleo in early 2012, gained about 20 back last year when I got lax. It is wreaking havoc so I am cutting carbs down along with portions, and will start a keto diet in April when DH is out of town for two weeks. It's really the only way I can lose weight, and recent studies indicate it's ok for cancer survivors.

    Cooking it yourself is the only way to insure you know what is in your food. We hit the local farmer's market every weekend in the summer, and try to eat seasonally. It's hard to get a mix of veggies in the winter, but I try to make it happen over the course of a week, anyway. Greens, red, purple, you know. More root veggies in the winter. We are making cioppino tonight! DH chops and I cook, makes it more fun because cooking gets old.

  • Penzance
    Penzance Member Posts: 101
    edited March 2015

    Hi,

    Nobody mentioned pomegranates? In his 'Anti Cancer' book, Servan-Schreiber quotes studies which show some compound(s) they contain may help against metastatic spread. I buy fresh fruit, take the seeds out and put them in a container, and snack on them at work.

    Nobody had cancer in my family so I try to emulate my elders' diet: lots of cabbage, onions, shallots, artichokes, herbs (thyme, rosemary, parsley, sage etc.), fish and seafood, little meat, and the occasional fast. According to some studies, one of the benefits of the Mediterranean diet might be the regular religious fasts: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15333159.

    I had progressively switched to a mostly Paleo diet about 1 year prior to diagnosis, but am still not 100% compliant: I eat about 275g carbs a day (a lot on a Paleo diet even if you do sports) and only about 100g protein. I have cheese once a month or so, and as I live in Europe, I do not eat insects, which I strongly believe made up a good part of our ancestors' 'meat' intake, and which are still commonly eaten in Asia and Africa. I seldom can afford organic, but am looking into buying grass-fed meat once in a while, directly from a farm. I avoid chicken as in the UK about 70% of supermarket chickens are contaminated with campylobacter. I lost about 1 stone in 1 month after diagnosis (probably stress cutting my appetite + starting to drink 3 cups of green tea a day), so tried to regain the weight by eating grain again. I put a bit of tummy fat on (I had lost from the thighs!) but grain really does not agree with me (stubborn cold + blocked sinuses; tiredness; joint pain; acne; digestive problems) so I am going back to Paleo.

    I now drink a mix of green tea (Sencha) and Jasmine: according to this study, the synergy between the two results in a more potent 'anti angionesis' effect than if you drink either of them on its own: https://www.ted.com/talks/william_li?language=en

    I have replaced my tupperwares (for lunch at work) with Pyrex and my aluminium slow cooker with a ceramic one. I was already using stainless steel pans & ceramic/pyrex dishes for cooking. Also switching to 'cleaner' shampoos and soap: I was already doing without cosmetics as I really do not have the time to moisturise etc.!

    My GP is very anti supplements, except for vitamin D, which I have been very deficient in for years. I also take Mg taurate and malate, especially before my periods: it is great against PMS and helps to control the 'munchies' too.

    I have a sweet tooth, so sometimes treat myself to paleo pancakes with berries (various recipes on the web, some with nut butter, some with buckwheat flour, coconut flour, almond flour, rice flour), Dr Perlmutter's chocolate desserts (on his website), Gwyneth Paltrow's avocado/chocolate recipe (which can be made into ice cream) and the Bulletproof 'coconut ice cream' recipe. Today I made granola in my slow cooker, using ground nuts instead of oats: OKish. In my experience, most 'Paleo friendly' cakes and breads are disasters.

    I found Momine's and Yogamama's posts really interesting. Like them, I was eating relatively healthily, and was a low BMI (under 20) when diagnosed. I am not built like the Williams sisters though, and have longish limbs, so 18-20 BMI is my 'normal' range and I still manage 38-40% muscle mass. A couple of years ago, I was eating lots of biscuits, pasta, bread, breakfast cereals and dairy, and not sleeping much (around 4 hours a night due to juggling work + studying), and my BMI was nearly 22. I looked most unhealthy (skinny fat - almost like a Cushing's syndrome), constantly got 'sugar crashes' and was probably becoming insulin insensitive: my HbA1c and triglycerides were still in the normal range, but they were creeping up. I got two cancer scares (not the breast yet) and my three doctors and my physio all insisted I needed to lose fat and gain muscle, so change my diet and exercise more, which is when I progressively switched to paleo. I actually started with the sport (running), then introduced intermittent fasting (not pleasant to run on a full stomach), and only then changed my diet: I guess the physical activity and the fasting made me more insulin sensitive, so I didn't crave sugar and grains so much. I know at least 2 ladies who managed to get PCOS while being a normal BMI: both of them were vegetarians at the time, and ate a lot of carbs (pasta etc.). I think there's too much focus on BMI and not enough on body composition and bloodwork, and not enough acceptance that there is a lot of variation among humans: some are skinny, some are muscular, some have more of the bulky 'explosive' muscle fibres, some have more of the type II fibres (good for endurance running), some are short and compact, some are willowy and long-limbed. As a result, people like me who are naturally skinny allow themselves to become skinny fat, and are even encouraged to do so ('have some biscuits, it's not as if you had a weight problem!'), and before we know it, we have a health problem.

  • yoga_girl
    yoga_girl Member Posts: 234
    edited March 2015


    http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/vitamin-b1-thiamine - see the full article

    University of Maryland Medical Center

    Energy - anti-stress

    Vitamin B1 (thiamine)

    Dietary Sources

    Most foods contain small amounts of thiamine. Large amounts can be found in pork and organ meats. Other good dietary sources of thiamine include whole-grain or enriched cereals and rice, legumes, wheat germ, bran, brewer's yeast, and blackstrap molasses.

    Overiew

     

    Vitamin B1, also called thiamine or thiamin, is one of 8 B vitamins. All B vitamins help the body convert food (carbohydrates) into fuel (glucose), which is used to produce energy. These B vitamins, often referred to as B complex vitamins, also help the body metabolize fats and protein. B complex vitamins are needed for healthy skin, hair, eyes, and liver. They also help the nervous system function properly, and are needed for good brain function.

    All B vitamins are water-soluble, meaning that the body does not store them.

    Like other B complex vitamins, thiamine is sometimes called an "anti-stress" vitamin because it may strengthen the immune system and improve the body's ability to withstand stressful conditions. It is named B1 because it was the first B vitamin discovered.

    Thiamine is found in both plants and animals and plays a crucial role in certain metabolic reactions. Your body needs it to form adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which every cell of the body uses for energy.

    . . .see the full article

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited March 2015

    Penzance, I so agree about too much focus on BMI, to the exclusion of other evidence. I now know I was insulin resistant before my DX, and probably for a long time. I had symptoms that bothered me, but every time I tried to interest a doctor in this, the doc would dismiss any notion of a glucose problem because I was "thin," as they always said. I had a 22-23 BMI, but like you I am of a scrawny build, so although it is totally normal it is not really low for my frame. Besides, thin people can also develop diabetes. In my case I think it started during the pregnancy with my daughter. I was borderline diabetic several times and she was a huge baby.

  • Karz72
    Karz72 Member Posts: 160
    edited March 2015

    The basis of my diet is no sugar, minimise dairy - the little I do include must be growth hormone free - & gluten free. My onc referred me to a nutritionist who is guiding me in replacing my cheese craving (my Dutch blood) with the "good fats" like avocado & oily fish.

    I've never had to worry about my weight - also relatively tall & thin with low BMI - & have found that if I ever get above my average in weight its because I'm a couch potato. Getting out on the road, at least 10km a week, which isn't much, has always kept me in shape. So I've gotten used to a lifetime of carbs & full fat dairy with minimal consequences. Saying that, all indications are I've had the big C for 2 years at least, with metastasis starting early on, but cutting the carbs & sugar to go for a more paleo diet in early 2014 coincided with the lump in my breast growing to a noticeable size.

    At the moment I'm supplementing with a barley grass product & making an effort to increase the amount of berries I eat. Recent article suggested blueberries & ginger increase efficacy of Taxol so building up to starting that at the end of the month.

    I haven't found a turmeric supplement as yet, but brew a turmeric tea every now & again. A nurse at the onc's office recommended 4 teaspoons of turmeric a day but can't bring myself to swallow that!

    Luckily my appetite has increased since starting chemo so my weight has stayed fairly stable, but aiming to gain about 6kg to get to my optimum weight.

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