Is it just me?
When you were first diagnosed did your mind go to bad places? Did you think it was too late and it had already spread? I've been obsessing over every weird ache or pain I get and I've practically convinced myself it's spread. I think about this almost every waking hour. My onc will not scan me unless my lymph nodes have cancer.
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Hi Shelley,
This is very common! I did the exact same thing and ran to the doctor thinking it had spread to my bones when I had an ache. My doctor said that I had anxiety over and it manifests itself in many different ways (which for me was am achy body).
I know it's hard but keep positive. Wishing you the best!!
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When I was first diagnosed all I could do was think about the cancer and what decision to make if I was offered treatments. I never did think it had spread any where else except maybe my lymph nodes. I had my mastectomy Dec 11 and my report came back good, no cancer in my lymph nodes or outside margins. Everyone has different thoughts.
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Teri, glad to hear I'm not alone. I have terrible anxiety and everyone keeps telling me that all the weird pains, etc are just from anxiety.
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You are not alone. I also have IDC and have done the same obsessing.
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you are not alone. If it makes you feel any better... during my first treatment yesterday my DH told the nurse to not spend a lot of time going over the potential SEs since since diagnosis I had already had them all just by reading about them. We all had a good chuckle. So yes your mind can go a little crazy. Ask your doc for anti anxiety meds.i don't take often but on those days where my mind is in overload it helps. Good luck
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Today, I feel like that...overwhelmed, wondering whether it's spread...or rather where? I'm just stuck. I was feeling ok this morning until a friend whom I told last night that I had BC called me back and was so worried/negative It was not what I wanted to hear. -
hi shelleym1. I'm 2 years out and I still think about it...a lot but not everyday anymore. It does get a little easier as time goes by. So far, so good. I'm from NC too. Just outside of Winston-Salem.
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wrmbrownie, a lot of people don't know what to say so they end up saying something stupid. I've avoided a lot of social situations for fear of someone saying something negative and it getting me down. I don't know why, it's not like they're my oncologist. lol
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I obsessed in the beginning...not so much any more. I also didn't tell a lot of people...I didn't want to deal with their anxieties too. I rarely discuss it except on these boards.
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not only did I fear it had spread but in the beginning, I would just have overwhelming feelings of fear. I would sit along and cry and just say out loud, I am so afraid and believe me, that is normally not my personality. I am usually one to meet something full steam but this was just so shocking and you feel so out of control of anything and to think that something is taking over your body and you dont' even know it. Its been 6 months and I'm doing a little better but I do still read the stats and just about assume, at some time, its going to come back. Just scary.
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Shelley, my lymph nodes had cancer, but I had no scans - My onc waits until there are symptoms... many do. Hope your nodes are clear. I am pretty sure that we all worry about metastasis. I think that the worry just lessens over time, until it happens (if ever). Grieving for the loss of innocence (so to speak) is natural. You will find that after a time you reclaim the joy in daily life.
When I was diagnosed, I shared with my best friend (and neighbor) who was delivering daily meals from our church. She stood at the door and handed us the food and didn't come in for a week! For the first month, she cried every time that she saw me! It was difficult, but at least I knew that she loved me. One day she sat in my car after lunch with friends and tearfully said, "We're going to be OK." And, we are. A year later, last night, we went out to dinner and laughed the evening away! And, I was wearing my wig outside my home for the first time. She just told me that I should color and cut my hair like that when I get it back and that I looked so young. After dinner, we sat and talked in my car for an hour - alternating taking off and putting on jackets due to mutual hot flashes... We are both getting better at living with my cancer. It gets easier. And, it's nice to know that people care.
On BCO, you will meet many kind, caring people who truly understand this crazy roller coaster ride. And you can tell these women your saddest, weirdest, or scariest thoughts; because chances are, they have experienced the same! Take care.
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I had one known malignant node at diagnosis, so did have scans and follow up scans. I was having a flare up of some bone pain from a much earlier fracture as well so of course my mind went to all sorts of dark places. It was a terrible time.
I didn't want to tell anyone (other than my husband) yet as we didn't know how bad it was nor what the treatment plan would be and did not want to inflict that uncertainty on anyone else, so BCO stood in for my sister, my best friend, my dad (!) and anyone else I would have turned to.
I've gotten better at re-directing my thoughts when I find myself drifting that way and, of course, as you adjust to the diagnosis the terror diminishes.
Hang in there. We all get through this part of it, somehow, but we all know it's not easy, either. Chances are it hasn't spread and that your mind/body connection is in overdrive. Ask your MD for some Ativan or Xanax if you need to. I'd never taken anything before but it certainly helps to have it on hand.
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I too obsessed over every ache and pain when first diagnosed. I struggle with anxiety for the first time in my life. Meds help and my joining the boards has started to ease my fears. My clinical stage was 2a with 0 nodes involved. After my BMX I am stage 3 a with an 8cm tumor and 3 +nodes and close margins. Was then sent for scans and as of now remain stage3. The more I read the stats the more depressed and hopeless I feel. In the space of 2 months i went from carefree and healthy to feeling broken and uncertain. Trying to take the advice of dealing with this one day at a time, one TX at a time, and breathe.
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oh yeah...and stay away from stats they do not dictate our paths
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No definitely not just you. Thinking back I was a mess in the beginning. Couldn't believe this was happening to me. So much anxiety the first few months. I was in shock. I ended up going on lexapro and Ativan as needed. The lexapro has really helped. I do think about cancer every day and hoping with time I won't think about it so much. I have some aches and pains that are hopefully just from the 5 months of chemo I just finished, but I sometimes think "what if it's C?" I try not to go to the dark side. I definitely don't as much as I used to, but sometimes I do, but then I remind myself where would I be now if I hadn't gone in for my routine obgyn appointment (dr found my lump had no idea it was there)
Nancy
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what I found really helped was some of the best advice I got from my husbands aunt who had gone through this, she told me to start a grateful journal. I really didn't feel too grateful but figured I would try. The beginning was the hardest and sometimes I would just post a picture I had taken (I used an online journal app called Maxjournal). But pretty soon I started writing a bit more. Before I knew it, I was excited to find something each day that brought me happiness. This totally changed my perspective and the dark scary thoughts left me. I'm happy to say that this serenity has stayed with me. I no longer journal (after a year ) but may again because I found it so beneficial. I think it would be nice for my kids to read at some point. It's only normal to feel the fear and each of us has to find a way to deal with the uncertainty. For me it was realizing I have a really great life and there are so many things to be grateful for.
In the beginning I did something out of character and unanimously paid for two police officers breakfast. It wasn't much but made me feel good and unselfish. Stay strong ladies!
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hi shelly and everyone,
I am so glad to have found this thread. It really expresses how this disease screws with our minds, and how I have felt. Now, after chemo amd BMX, starting rads next week, I am finally relaxing a bit from that fear of spread. It helps that I had CPR to chemo, but I did have one node completely taken over prior to it. I am no fool and do not think I have won forever, but hope for the best. I fear recurrence but am able to manage by knowing we are all leaving this earth one day - it is the time before that matters. I try not to ruin my good healthy time by worrying. Also, Lexapro does help.
Trying to add more exercise and adding soul enriching things to my life too, working less, appreciating the little things. Love the idea of the gratitude journal!
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Not just you, completely normal, and if anything, based on my own experiences, I think it is healthier to express these feelings in the beginning. I tend to bottle my feelings and so I kept a lot to myself during treatment (although I did blog). Part of that was the rush of going from diagnosis to surgery to treatment etc, and generally being a little naive about everything. I remember going for my CAT scan and muga tests, bloodwork etc and I remember concern, but not like what I go through now. Everything sort of hit me like a ton of bricks months out of treatment. Around that time, I got hooked up with a therapist, but the focus was so much on getting me back to work (it was linked up with my insurance/disability/RTW etc), that I never really dealt with anything either, and left it after I went back to work (the therapist wasn't really a fit for me either, another story).I encourage anyone going through this now to ask for help in the early days if you are experiencing this, and feel comfortable doing so. Usually oncology units have a Psychologist on staff or know who to refer to, but find someone else you're comfortable with if you don't like them. Just because someone works with oncology, doesn't mean they'll be a fit for you.
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"Just because someone works with oncology, doesn't mean they'll be a fit for you." Amen to that, Chemical World!
I found that some of those most insistent on cancer being a gift, you'll come out of this a better person, etc., were the LCSW at the breast center and her cohorts. Not a good fit for me at all and it was extremely unhelpful, and almost traumatic.
I think women are more vulnerable than we realize during the dx. and treatment process and we really have to watch out for those who aren't a good fit, whether it's a therapist, support group or medical provider. One of the best things we can do for ourselves at that point is walk away.
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I agree, but I guess the problem is sometimes, we are so vulnerable, and not necessarily at our strongest at that point. It can be hard to stand up for ourselves. All the more important to have advocates on our side that treat us properly, with respect and knowledge.
I also recommend a cancer patient navigator if your hospital has one. I wasn't hooked up with one until just this past year, but she was very helpful, and I'd wished she'd been around in the beginning !
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shelley - I am in NC, too...I am about 45 minutes outside of Charlotte! You are definitely not alone. I felt like I had a pretty good attitude going through testing, surgery and recovery. I did my exercises faithfully, went back to work and, except for being troubled early on about a spot under my arm, for the most part, I was doing well. Then I had my six month checks with the MO and BS in the last two weeks and I am feeling myself stressing more now. There is definitely a lot of uncertainty and it is scary. I think the journaling idea is a very good one as is focusing on the things I am grateful for...I need to make a bit of an attitude adjustment and I am hoping I can do that as I get further away from my appts. I expect this will come up every six months when I have my check ups!
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I went from possibly being stage 0-1 to stage 2b after my lumpectomy. I did have node involvement so chemo and a mastectomy were next. The worst time was the first 30 days. I had a PET scan after surgery and there was a small nodule on my lung. Too small to measure so the MO felt it was just a scar from bronchitis or something I was exposed to. She did order two CT scans after that, one in the middle of chemo and one last month. There was no change so she won't scan me anymore. I was so sick to my stomach until I got the PET scan results and it had not set up shop in another organ or my bones. Since then I have felt confident that I am cancer free.
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Hi, everyone. I just wanted to say thank you for helping me feel welcome and normal. I wanted to let you know I am doing much better. I had my lumpectomy and re-excision last month. My Oncotype came back a 15, so no chemo. I will start radiation next month. I still wake up in the morning and think "what the heck has happened", but I am able to function unlike before. I too believe this will come back and get me someday. I am only 35, and it seems impossible that I will make it to 70 without another breast cancer. I guess in a way I have just accepted it and try to be happy for as long as I can.
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Shelley, I am comforted to know that I'm not the only one who feels like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, so thank you for starting this thread and expressing that.
I see so many women on here who seem to believe that doing 'everything possible' means that it's gone and there's just no guarantee of that. that just isn't. Sometimes I wonder if those women are kidding themselves or whether I'm the one with the overly-cautious mindset?
Particularly for ER+ cancers, the recurrence rate years from now is still a LOT higher than I'm comfortable with. Additionally, as I read this board, I see so many women who were stage Ib or IIa, IIb at dx. and a few years later they're back as stage iv, despite having done all recommended treatments. That really gives me the heebie-jeebies!
I hope you WILL do great and go another 70 years without a recurrence, Shelley. Maybe at sometime during those 70 years a definitive cure will be found and we won't have to live with that brick hanging over our heads. Hang in there, friend.
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Hopeful, that is what I hope and pray for. I hope that we all can hang on NED long enough until they find some major treatment options for Stage 4 or a cure. Like you, I have noticed the number of Stage I-II women going Stage 4. It is really heartbreaking and discouraging. I have been given a good prognosis for which I am thankful. A 10% chance of recurrence in 10 years with Tamoxifen alone. I try to look at it as I have a 90% chance it won't come back in 10 years. I also had a 1 in 233 chance of getting breast cancer under 40, so I'm not going to hold my breath that I will avoid that 10%. lol.
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Shelley, yes!, that's my thinking about the percentages, too. I am so glad to know that there's someone here who understands my thinking. (Not that I'm glad you're on here, of course.) Sometimes it feels pretty empty to be surrounded by all these women saying 'I can beat this' or 'I've beat it' when we know there can still be stem cells floating around just waiting...
Thank you for understanding. I hope you're healing well from your surgeries now that they're over. And I am so glad to see your low Oncotype score. Thank goodness for small mercies, yes?
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I agree with you, Hopeful. When my life changed six months or so ago, I kept thinking my emotions would get better with time. Now that I am on the hormonal therapy, I pray for good results and a difference in my attitude and frame of mind. I know that there are no guarantees in this fight we're in. There is so much even on the local news about women who have lost the fight after doing all of the treatments, and some are so young with children. This awful disease breaks my heart. I read somewhere (maybe on this board, but I am not sure), that it takes at least a year to get even halfway back to normal and not obsess constantly. That gave me hope.
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