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New breast exam nearly quadruples detection of invasive breast cancers in women with dense tissue

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  • RV6gal
    RV6gal Member Posts: 331
    edited January 2015

    Thanks for the link cp418 - I have never heard of that before but will see if the cancer center where I am currently in treatment has such equipment.


  • Manu14
    Manu14 Member Posts: 153
    edited January 2015

    This type of imaging is also known as BSGI (breast specific gamma imaging).


    My surgeon, head of surgery at a major medical center, has all his patients undergo this imaging on both breasts before surgery. He believes it is more accurate than an MRI. I had it done the week after my needle core biopsy. Thankfully, it showed nothing else besides the tumor already biopsied. It also gives one more type of reading on what the size of the tumor is.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2015
    Manu - Can you describe the procedure? Do you get an iv like when one has an MRI? How long does it take? Thanks so much!
  • bridgegal25
    bridgegal25 Member Posts: 60
    edited January 2015

    This is very interesting news to me. I have architectural distortions (no mass)  only which are malignant. IDC less than 1cm.  My breast surgeon gave me my options as far as surgery is concerned but wanted me to get an MRI done before surgery because of the denseness of both breasts. She staged me at 1 and I have estrogen plus, progesterone plus and Her2 neg. I just cancelled the MRI because I know it will be very difficult for me because of joint issues and claustrophobia.   I had mentioned this new test to the my doctor. nurse  but she said not as good as MRI.  I hope I made the right decision but at this moment in time, I feel much better knowing I won't have to go into that tube. I am an older patient (over 70).

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited January 2015

    A friend just had this done.  I posted on FB that Susan G. Komen grants for mammograms were available. She went to that hospital for regular mammogram but because of her really dense breast tissue, they sent her to a large hospital that just got this technology.  Fortunately, she had no breast cancer, but was told her breasts are so dense she needs this test done every year.  She was so grateful that she was able to get this test.  The doctors told her that past mammograms on her were virtually useless.

     

     


     

  • Manu14
    Manu14 Member Posts: 153
    edited January 2015

    farmerlucy - I'm so sorry to be slow getting back to you but I somehow lost track of this thread.

    The BSGI turned out not to be a big deal in spite of my nervousness about it.. There is no IV. You get an injection into the arm of a radiotracer which is necessary for the scan. Then you wait 10- 15 minutes for it to take effect. You are sitting while a machine that looks like a mammography machine (but isn't) does mild compression while a gamma camera photographs everything. From start to finish it was less than an hour.


    Both breasts are scanned. My surgeon does these routinely prior to surgery and says the results are better than an MRI - fewer false positives. The catch is that the machines are super expensive and unless you have enough doctors or the head of the department insisting on having the machine, a cancer center or hospital is likely not to have one. More doctors have experience and feel comfortable with MRIs. I'm sure it will take awhile for this type of imaging to become very common. If I had another cancer or really dense breasts, I would want to have one done again

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2015

    Thanks so much for the info Manu! I think the closest one to me is in the Dallas area. I'm going to ask my onc about it. DD is supposed to start screening soon so maybe we can go together. Not the best mother daughter fun - but hey - I'll take what I can get!

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2015

    I found this article too. Interestingly enough the Dr quoted from OKC is the GC I saw before my preventive mx. He was the one who got the ball rolling for me.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/780708_8

    After you read this article check out the next one regarding the role of each type of imaging

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/780708_9

    I wonder what they mean about dedicated breast MRI systems? Those used only for breast imaging? As opposed to what?


  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited January 2015

    I believe the dedicated breast MRI systems position the patient face down for imaging.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2015
  • besa
    besa Member Posts: 1,088
    edited January 2015

    George Washington University (in DC) offers this technology. Interesting that I when I asked my then breast surgeons (not affiliated with GW) about using BSGI (I had heterogenously dense breast tissue and mammography didn't work well for me) I was told it was not that good a technology and wasn't better than MRI. This was probably sometime between 2008-2010. Just shows how important it is to research everything for ourselves.......

    http://www.gwhospital.com/hospital-services/the-gw...

    I have a friend who was seeing Christine Teal (breast surgeon) and Rachel Brem (radiologist) at GW who was being screened with BSGI and MRIs This was the reason I knew about BSGI and asked about it. Below a link to one of Teal and Brem's recent publications.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?holding=dcgwuli...



  • Manu14
    Manu14 Member Posts: 153
    edited January 2015

    I think you often find a medical center discounting or "poo pooing" so-to-speak a type of test or procedure that they don't currently have available to them in their system.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2015

    Those are some pretty impressive results from that study - The overall sensitivity of BSGI for breast cancer detection was 95.4%. Positive BSGI examinations were present in 136 of 142 nondense breast cancers and 195 of 205 dense breast cancers, for sensitivities of 95.8% and 95.1%, respectively. There was no significant difference in BSGI breast cancer detection and parenchymal breast density (p = 0.459).

    Anyone know anything about its costs relative to mammos or MRI? I think I had once heard around $500 - 600 as it was being promoted as an affordable option for those with dense breasts relative to the cost for MRI.

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited January 2015

    How does this MBI compare against standard MRI technology? It should be noted that MRI systems are also getting better, offering greater speed, clarity, contrast, and comfort.

    In light of this new Mayo Clinic data, perhaps the moderators can ask the breastcancer.org medical expert(s) to update the portion of their site that discusses MBI technology, as it was last updated September 17, 2012.
    See here: Molecular Breast Imaging (MBI)

  • besa
    besa Member Posts: 1,088
    edited January 2015

    Manu14- I agree with your assessment of the situation. To really get good care and be on the right path I have come to the conclusion that I think many in this forum have come to .....I have to figure out what is best for me by reading the published peer reviewed literature and researching things myself.

    http://www.diagnosticimaging.com/articles/beyond-m...

    Not sure if it makes a difference but it sounds like BSGI and MBI use slightly different cameras.From above link "BSGI uses a sodium iodide scintillator technology developed by Dilon Technologies (the only company developing such a technology), and MBI uses cadmium-zinc-telluride digital detectors developed by the Mayo Clinic."

    This is new to me so I need to learn more.


  • new_direction
    new_direction Member Posts: 449
    edited January 2015

    Great for symptomatic women with dense breasts and in the need for exams.
    Can't help thinking if this is just the new screening tool enabling even more unnecessary chemo treatments.

  • Manu14
    Manu14 Member Posts: 153
    edited January 2015

    farmerlucy - As for price, I just checked my files and the un-negotiated cost for the BSGI was $575. The negotiated allowed amount with my insurance ompany was $345. And my final out-of-pocket was $69.

    My surgeon ordered this test prior to surgery to get as much information possible on both breasts. It was pretty simple overall and I'd have no hesitation having it done again

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited January 2015

    Besa - good catch on the subtle differences

    Thanks Manu - very interesting. That certainly makes it more affordable and even possible for many women, especially those for whom mammos see nothing but white. I'm headed for an MRI week after next. Last year the cash price (not insurance price) was around $1000.

    Excellent discussion everyone!

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2015

    JohnSmith - The medscape articles I referenced above do a pretty good job of examining the differences. One has to join medscape to see them but it is free. Thanks for all your input on these boards. I really appreciate all your insight.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited February 2015

    That's a good point about the need for some updates, JohnSmith. I hope the mods are listening!

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