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  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2015

    Wren- yes, stress produces cortisol which creates the abdominal fat. I would not say I am highly stressed at the moment, but when I have been, the weight does go on fast (I also stress eat which I have learned to stop).

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2015


    Ah  but the weight gain was rapid and out side of normal diet.  It was unusual. It was what the "hell". I have been stable at a weight for x time. Then a rapid weight gain,

    I'm suggesting for a study: Ask if study people noted a weight gain within a short period of time before diagnosis. What has to be determined is time, weight, dx

    What I'm saying is research has said cancer  has a risk factor of obesity. What if the body recognizes that there  is something wrong and tries to compensate by adding fat. .

    Well what if the body in a stressed state --gathers weight.

    If that's normal, then how can we apply it to an abnormal state.

    SORRY my lovelies -----being weird----------lol like Sheldon.

     

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2015


    Just so went off the deep end LOL..........Chevy I'm sure you will make straight what I should be........................................

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited January 2015

    I don't think it will ever be figured out. Size 8, sometimes 6, my entire life. Huge exercise nut too. Stage 4, and to advanced to do much about it. Go figure. I don't obsess about trying to find reasons or patterns. Things happen, no one gets to stay here forever.....I still have a ton of fun and will till I can't . I thought the news said, every ten years or so it's different, Lol, but I thought the most recent was.....we have no idea why people get cancer.

    Our bodies are so complex and wonderful. My wish, prayer, is for the docs to figure out how to make bc patients pain free.....and functional. So many of the pain meds make people sick or sleepy. I can take any pain meds and idon't get sick or sleepy.. Why am I fortunate that my body can tolerate the drugs and others can't .

    On a lighter note...her is the sweater I just finished for my daughterimage

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2015


    Susan can I have some of your drugs?

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited January 2015

    They messed you up big time Sas. If I ever have to do chemo, I will hopefully remember to request yearly urine cytology tests. I probably wouldn't have long enough for bladder cancer to develop, but who knows what will happen in the next couple of years. And I do expect to have a couple of years, maybe a couple of couple of years. LOL

    Let me ask you. Last night I noticed an onion smell on my hands. I had not touched onions. I washed my hands, and the onion smell was still there. So I googled it. There was information about the onion odor being an indication of cancer flare. I have also started to run a bit of a fever, just maybe a couple of times a week, lasting just a day. I read this was a sign of infection and that it could mean the cancer is in my marrow. The thing is, my PET scan came back pretty good. In fact that was confusing in that the area where I have the most pain (right front ribs) has "resolved." Very confusing. Tuesday, I get blood work; and the following week, I see the doc. There's some weird stuff going on though. I'm sure of that. Does anything jump out at you?

    My goodness, my cockatiel is tweetling up a storm. Usually, he talks human or barks like a dog. I think maybe he is mimicking the parakeet. LOL. He's all wound up, and it is time to wind down. hehehehehehe I love that little guy.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited January 2015

    Very nice sweater, Susan. What a talent!!!!

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2015

    I seriously have to get rid of the butterfly..............I had a bunch of things saved.......forget why they got lost. Think it had to do with a virus. Some help would be nice on how to develop a thingy file. Did it once . Forgot how

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2015


    Dunes-------------no clue.........I'll google............ Sorry DBF home and I'm cooking

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited January 2015

    dunes, my doc pretty much goes how I feel now and looks at the tests. We been together a long time now, and I always know about a few months before it shows on a test . Cancer has to,be a certain size, not sure what that is, been told, forgot...lol, before it shows up. I always joke with him about the blood tests. 3 years ago, over 30ish nodes both sides of body...blood tests were perfect. Nothing showed until we were able to actually feel them. And he also only wants one radiologist to look at my stuff. When he is on vacation he waits till,he comes back to view them. I never thought those were open to interpretation , but I guess they are complicated to read. I have always wanted to meet the radiologist. I kinda think I am in his hands. It's his deduction that has my onc making decisions on what to do next. The more I learn the more I shake my head.

    Sas.....I would love to share....I try to,take just one a day...not sure why....I deal with being uncomfy cause I dont want to take to much. Gonna have a talk with onc Wednesday. I need him to say it's ok to,take what I need. Never asked before. Always afraid of addiction....but when you are terminal...why should I care lol

    And I have no bad effects. I told him once how good they make me feel and the energy they give me. He said I was just like the football players....the athletes who get addicted cause they love the way it makes them feel. That's me!!!!!!! So that is why I am afraid to take to much. Sometimes I go on strike and take nothing to make sure I have no addiction . That's when my daughter says....really mom.....doing well are we.

    I go ,to my internist also to manage stuff. Told her my fear of addiction . You should have seen her face when I told her...one a day.....she had that look...you are worried whyyyyyyyhhh look. Maybe I will,go,out on a limb and take two tomorrow.......

    Hope you are doing well SAS. My thoughts and prayers are with you. You are still in my top five, so I get you in before I fall asleep.

    Boy I am long winded tonight....sorry folks

    Nighty night

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Member Posts: 2,951
    edited January 2015

    Susan, love the sweater. All knitted, right? How long did it take you? (Susan, don't say sorry, you can rant or sing, or whatever floats your boat.

    I just read an article last week about why some get cancer and others don't. Except for the heritdary ones, it was just luck. They really don't know why. Is the incident of cancer, any kind, because there's more people or because our environment is bad more now than in the past? It is nice that they can identify different types and better treatment. It's come along way in the last 15 years.

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Member Posts: 3,061
    edited January 2015

    Susan3 wish I had your internist! The sweater is lovely so pretty.

    You know what will make your insomnia worse? Seeing your Mom after 2 1/2 years and watching a vibrant funny strong woman become an entirely different person, flat affect, withdrawn, not communicative and looking utterly different. That will mess up your day and leave you wondering. Dementia sucks. We did have a nice dinner out and she seemed to enjoy it. The Mother I knew and remembered is gone. sigh...

    Anyway, sorry for all your troubles Sass. Hope things are improving for ya'll.

  • Wren44
    Wren44 Member Posts: 8,585
    edited January 2015

    Susan, The sweater is really lovely. I have never managed to finish one for myself. Actually I did one, but it looked so much better on DS that I gave it to him. I think all his GFs loved it.

    As long as you are taking pain meds for pain, I don't think you'll get addicted. Maybe you felt so wonderful because you weren't in pain? When you need to worry is when you're not in pain but want one to feel good.

    I don't think we know whether the incidence of cancer has gone up. It used to be so hush hush and people wouldn't admit that it was cancer when someone died. And for good reasons, because so many people thought it was contagious. Now there are lots of people who have been treated and are still around. I don't think all the chemicals in the environment are good for us though.

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited January 2015

    Susan, my onc immediately gave my oxycontin and oxycodone. I am to to take 1 oxycontin twice a day, and she was not happy when I reported that I was not always taking both of them. So, I do as she says now. The pain is there and the pill helps. Apparently it is a long-acting drug, which is why it is only taken twice a day. The oxycodone is for breakthrough pain. I wasn't using them, but have gradually worked up to actually using 6 of them a day. Then the new onc gave me lidoderm patches, and since I do have a particularly painful area, I can wear that patch and not have to take the oxycodone. If you can point to a place that hurts, the lidoderm patches are a great idea. They are not a narcotic. You wear it for 12 hours, then remove it. Then wait 12 hours to place a new one.

    Now I have to find a psychiatrist who is not going to be such a jerk about xanax. I've been taking them since around 1985. It helps me in so many ways. Now they are all uptight about it. When I first got the cancer, in 2012, I increased my dose for a short time. Then went back to my regular dose. Anyway, this lady I am seeing is really lousy. I'm going to ask the social worker who is part of my "team" to make some recommendations. Hopefully, I will get one that realizes that now is not a particularly good time to take it away from me. This is a major concern for me.

    I think I am starting to get sleepy, so I will give it a try. Tomorrow is "Positive Monday" for those who are participating, so I can't do any complaining starting in 3 more minutes. Yep. Better get to sleep.

    Love y'all.

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited January 2015

    never heard positive Monday...but I'm onboard

    Yes the sweater is all knitted. Took a long time cause my hands got neuropathy for about 5 months so I coiuldnt knit. Then when I went back to it, finished it, tried it on her, she need it wider in the front. So,I had to order more yarn, but they discontinued it. Took I while to find on a site...and walaaaah finally done. I crocheted a flower with a button in the center for a front closing. Now she wants me to make a mug cozy!!!!!craziest thing I have ever seen.

    My sleeping pill is not working. Pooie,.....wow that was just 3 minutes from Monday. Almost blew it. Ok. No more. All smiles

  • M0mmyof3
    M0mmyof3 Member Posts: 9,696
    edited January 2015

    Chevy, your "noodleburgers" is what my family calls either "Hot Dish" (mom and daddy's side of the family) or "American Chop Suey" (stepdad's).

    All ready for that blizzard to come drop snow on us.

     

  • Enerva
    Enerva Member Posts: 3,162
    edited January 2015

    hi, I am behind as usual just want to say happy Monday, well I ll try to make it a happy one. Lol

    Sass your history is very sad, no wonder everything that happened, for me all I know is that my cancer was very aggressive stage 3b and the 6 chemo did not reduce my tumor mo never did an ultrasound to measure between chemos so I had not clue if it was working, by the time my surgery came my tumor was over 10 cm which told me chemo did not stop it from growing.

    Anyway Susan I love your knitting work, I havent knitted in a wile I learned to crochet stitches which look like knitting n it's way faster lol I enjoy it a lot. Crocheting and knitting helped me no to turn nuts during my journey.

    Want you to see a sweater I made for my niece. ;)

    Ll send pictures once I find it. Min time I want to share this beautiful fellow

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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited January 2015

    180??????????? You say go back to page 180?????????? Do you know where we are NOW? I mean WTH! STFU! and stuff. Maybe later when I'm not so busy here, sittin' and talking to you all.

    No Sass, but once I got out of bed, and there was a wall! Ha, ha! I thought I was trapped! I stood there for a moment, trying to collect my senses... and there WERE none!

    So now we have to think about our "obesity" and cancer? But even trim athletes get it... I can't think of his name... the bike guy?

    MY theory is, when something goes wrong, it is because it just does.

    Things happen to us, like falls, or illnesses, or even the growing up things, and even the things we take, COULD have a lasting impression on us for the rest of our lives.

    Like when I fell in the ditch on that broken brown Clorox bottle.. Or me and my Brother smoking that long brown dried up weed we yanked up in that field.. Or EVEN when they threw me, I mean dropped me on my head when I was taking acrobats.

    See those things could have traumatized "things" in side, and at the right time, they decided to become apparent, and raise all kinds of havoc & cause PROBLEMS.

    So what was it you were saying? Guess we got THAT all straightened out.

    Susan! Holy Cow young lady! That is BEAUTIFUL! I don't know how you guys do it... I mean knit and crochet things that LOOK like something! I am really good at scarves, pot holders, etc. Things that don't take counting and thinking!

    No Sass...... no more drugs for you.... That's IT! Pretty soon you are going to be limited... like they do in "those" places. Theresa and Eddy do NOT get any drugs in their rooms! Hah! I mean not even ASPIRIN! Their drugs are doled out at breakfast, lunch and dinner!

    Can't even enjoy a joint for God's sakes! Those care-takers are worse than the Mafia... I mean what fun can they HAVE!

    DUNES! No more smoking weed! Onions you say? I remember one time I was taking Tetracycline for something, and the whole world smelled and tasted like garlic!

    Wouldn't it be funny, if there WERE something going on with you, and it was the onion smell that brought it to your attention? You must be eating or drinking something with the characteristics of onion. That's all I can figure out..

    We need Cammi for this one... Like she would know....

    Geez, I miss her... wish we could help....

    Oh, so SASS! You can't DO anything when DBBBFFFFFFFis home? Hah! You can't cook and talk at the same time? Or anything?

    NOOOOOOOOO Susan, don't go sharing nothing with her! See, that is the problem!

    You gals are just too sweet and caring, and treat us all like we know what we are doing... but we don't....!

    Yes Smarty... You and me are smart! It is, what it is.

    Oh man Rosie... I'm sorry... I know... It's just that you haven't been around her to see this coming on slowly.

    It really hurts... I was with my Grandma, when this was happening to her. And all you can do is be there... It's like you are on this train-ride with her, and you just have to hang on, and go along with it...

    Because there is nothing you can do, except be there for her.. and go along with what she says and does..

    Is someone with her? I mean she isn't alone is she? Some of her days will be better, but some are just "empty".....

    I hope you get your pain meds straightened out Dunes... It's like we KNOW what works for us, just finding someone to help us out, is the problem!

    Morning Wren and Mom2! Yes, the Noodleburgers were good...Ha! Stay warm! I hear about that Blizzard headed your way!

    xoxoxoxo

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited January 2015

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/102/topic...

    Oh Morning Enerva!

    Sass, this is page 181.. Do you KNOW how long it took me to FIND it? I mean you have to start out at page 3!!!! Page THREE, and then go by 2's all the way up to whatever page you want... My coffee got cold.. My finger was sore...

    That WAS funny about Cammi's boat... And sticking that garden hose down her throat... Ha!

    I can't believe Cammi had a boat...

    This was her boat.


    image

    She named it "UpACreek"

  • dunesleeper
    dunesleeper Member Posts: 2,060
    edited January 2015

    Oooooh. The snow is falling in Reisterstown, MD. It's pretty fine stuff, and that's the stuff that can do the real dumping. Mom is worried as she is 24 hours away from boarding her plane to Florida. I just printed her boarding pass. PARTY!!!!!!

    My uncle, in Orlando, says it's only - ONLY - going to be 64. Gee, that's too bad.

    Chevy, you are wonderful nut!

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited January 2015

    Dunes.... I know! Those people in Florida think it's cold when it's 60!

    Spookie even has to put on socks, with her long underwear and fleece robe! Sass just goes and heats up her wine and goes to bed. I don't think they even go out-doors if it is below 60.

    Is your Mom with you in MD? I would hate to take off in the snow.... Have her pack a light sweater...

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  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited January 2015

    And soon, spooks will take a picture of her thermometer.... Anyone want to bet?

  • Jazzygirl
    Jazzygirl Member Posts: 12,533
    edited January 2015

    Good morning insomniacs- you were busy last night. I went to bed early, as I have a visit to the MO's office today for a Prolia shot to help with the bones on the AIs. I have that today and a visit to the BS on Friday, and then am done with the cancer docs until the summer (I hope....)

    Susan- what a beautiful sweater and hope your daughter loves it. I bet it will be one of her favorites, because you made it for her!

    Dune- the onion smell, wow. I hope you can find out what is going on. My invasive tumor was super small (0.4 cm).

    Sas- it would be interesting to see if there is a correlation with weight going on rapidly before cancer begins.

    Hoping everyone else is doing okay here as the new week begins. I know there is a big bad blizzard coming to the east coast, so stay safe my friends.


  • dutchiris
    dutchiris Member Posts: 855
    edited January 2015

    Enerva...my tumor did not appear to be effected much by chemo either. I did have an ultrasound half way through chemo but it was too large to measure by US. The tumor was not visible on mammo or MRI. I wonder if chemo will be very effective in my future.

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited January 2015
  • M0mmyof3
    M0mmyof3 Member Posts: 9,696
    edited January 2015

    Dunes,

    I have relatives in Westminster, MD! 

     

    No snow here yet, expecting it by this afternoon. I said I wanted snow, but not as much as we are going to be hit with! Mother Nature must be off her meds again   lol.

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited January 2015

    And not a snowflake in sightimage

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited January 2015

    http://www.wimp.com/christianlion/

    Ah geez Spookie... You didn't disappoint me! xoxoxo

    "FEELS like 62.6!" Oh sure... rub it in.

  • susan3
    susan3 Member Posts: 3,728
    edited January 2015

    enerva, I crochet to. Haven't in a long time. Crochet is making a huge comeback here. There is a small knitting / crochet shop by me. They have an animal, can't remember what it was...ha....but made with granny squares sewed together. I didn't even notice it was granny squares....I want to take a class there and learn how to do it.

    Chevy, I am not that talented. I compare myself to a monkey...I can be taught anything. But don't make me figure out the instructions. And I actiually write out my pattern rows in a notebook. I can't organize it my head to do rows 2,4,6 in purl and 1,3,5 in knit...or whatever it may say. I number my paper 1-16, or how ever many rows are in the pattern. That is how I follow a pattern. My friends who knit just shake their heads.lol I do more complicated patterns now, and it takes me awhile to write them out. But then it's easy.

    When I was a kid, my dad would check my math story problems. He would always ask how I got my answer, I would explain, then he would say, that's not what they meant...haha kinda the same way with a knitting pattern...thank goodness there is utube.

    Hope the snow isn't as bad as they say. Stay safe east coast


  • M0mmyof3
    M0mmyof3 Member Posts: 9,696
    edited January 2015

    Waiting to see if the governor shuts the state down because of the storm. Hoping hubby gets out early today ahead of the storm.

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