Metformin study
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I forgot to add that I put on 25 pounds!!! Yikes!! Do I ask my Endocrinologist or my Oncologist? Thanks sandcastle...
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Pam...good! You go to an endro that is a big help been going to mine for about five years......I think I would ask your endro about metformin...in my case I am diabetic and have been on metformin for a number of years......I try to keep it under control ......Liz
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I will definately ask my Endo. about this. I really need to do something. I have never felt so out of control about my weight in my life. I honestly never had to worry about what I ate. I have two sisters and they used to laugh at me and say, you eat more than we do and never put on weight. I noticed my weight change prior to my breast cancer dx. I kept telling my endo that something was wrong, my levels for my thyroid are off again, and she said they were on target. Now with taking this tamoxifen,, OMG my midriff is so bloated looking..... anyway, lol,, thanks ,,, Pam
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I have been taking metformin for nearly 3 years now. Not diabetic and no BC dx (high risk from ADH dx)-- dr has me on it for prevention. I've lost about 20 lbs, but this may also be due in part to exercise and diet changes. No side effects at all.
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I found a site to order inexpensive Metformin w/out an RX...But, I see there are two kinds...Metformin and then HCL Metformin...which one was used in the study? Does anyone know...I cannot seem to find the info! Thanks!
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My Metformin is free at my Meijer pharmacy.
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Dulci...w/out an RX?
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No. I do have a prescription.
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Jojo,
I do not know which type of metformin was used in the trial, but my onc has me on HCL ER, 500 mg, 2x day.
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I just wanted to post this information for everyone on Metformin, and I will post links with reference materials for you to print and take with you to the doctor.
Metformin works by controlling glucose in non-diabetic as well as diabetic women and it also lowers androgen receptors - and it is in several trials right now to test effectiveness when administered with chemo, or without chemo, with diabetics and without diabetics and currently it has made it all the way to Phase 3 of the trial. Metformin works by reducing circulating insulin cells which they feel can be very beneficial to TNBC women. Metformin induces cancer cell death at the earliest stages of development via metabolic pathways. It can help stop or slow the spread of metastases if the person has a high expression of CD24 positive cells and it can lower the Ki67.
Metformin has been on the market for 25+ years and they discovered that women who had been taking it had much lower incidence of breast cancer.
While it has not been approved for taking as preventive measures for bc, it can be written off label. Off label means taken for a reason other than what the FDA approved it for. (Much like how birth control pills are prescribed for someone who has acne - that's not the original purpose of birth control pills, but it helps control some people's acne).
Clinical trials are conducted in a series of steps, called phases - each phase is designed to answer a separate research question.
- Phase I:Researchers test a new drug or treatment in a small group of people for the first time to evaluate its safety, determine a safe dosage range, and identify side effects.
- Phase II:The drug or treatment is given to a larger group of people to see if it is effective and to further evaluate its safety.
- Phase III:The drug or treatment is given to large groups of people to confirm its effectiveness, monitor side effects, compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect information that will allow the drug or treatment to be used safely.
- Phase IV:Studies are done after the drug or treatment has been marketed to gather information on the drug's effect in various populations and any side effects associated with long-term use.
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Here are Metformin Links for you to print and take with you to the doctor:
METFORMIN:
http://strittermed.org/breast_equity/?p=44 This
is an authors recap of the impact Metformin had a 2010 San Antonio Breast
Cancer Symposiumhttp://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/feb2012_Can-Diabetes-Drug-Prevent-Cancer-Death_01.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3282095/ "Metformin:
This is detailed information about how Metformin works and information about
AMPK signaling.
Mulit-faceted Protection Against Cancer" - This is the more technical
medical journal type
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Thanks for the links, Inspired! So interesting what Metformin can do. Learned a new word: pleiotropic. It works on different pathways, including aromatase!
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Inspire......The Information YOU posted is Wonderful.....I have been on Metformin since 04 and was diagnosed in 10.......do my best to stay in range with my readings....will not let them take me off this drug.....will bring it to the attention of my Endro.....Liz
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I saw my endo today,,, She immediately noticed the weight gain and was happy when I asked her about Metformin. She is sending me to have a glucose test done first and then said she will start me on it no matter what the results are. She said that she was just at a conference and this study was discussed. I told her how miserable I have been with all of this weight gain and I feel like I can't even move. She told me not to get rid of my jeans just yet, that there is hope. I go next week for the test and then see her again April 1st.
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Pamela1204, that is great news! Debra was kind enough to email me lots of studies that I could take to my GP. My fasting glucose level is 6, so I didn't think it would be a problem getting on metformin. My dr. Wouldn't even look at the info. She just stated I don't need it! I'm looking for a new Dr. one who is more open to working with me to achieve better health. Problem is, where I live there are few dr. taking new patients.
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Yes, I am finally able to look forward to something,, I've been so depressed that I have stopped looking for things that make me happy,, I just exist. My children keep me going. When I start the metformin, I will check back here to show if I have any kind of progress. If I can get back into some of my clothes, I may just leave my house alittle more. Right now I basically live in my sweats and baggy shirts.
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Pamela, just wanted to let you know that I have been on metformin for 3 years-- my onc Rx'ed it as a preventive measure-- don't have BC but have ADH and am considered high risk. I wasn't really overweight to begin with (I think my BMI was 24), but I have lost 20 lbs. It feels to me like the metformin decreases my appetite and I am just satsfied with less food now. I also stepped up my exercise, but it's been easy to keep the weight off.
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I've been on it for several years. I've not been much overweight and have fought my way back to my prediagnosis weight. I would like to lose 10 more pounds and it is very, very hard for me to lose. My dosage is 500 mg twice daily so that may be a factor. Metformin has not helped me with weight loss. I also was prescribed it for insulin resistance/PCOS so maybe the fact that my body needs the insulin help negates some of the weight loss benefit. It has helped me with many other concerns, but I don't want anyone reading this thread to think it's a magic weight loss bean. :-)
Exercise and proper nutrition are best for that.
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I don't quite understand how the metformin worked for me. I'm not at all diabetic and don't have PCOS but am insulin-resistant. I had been within recommended weight range my entire life up to age 52 at diagnosis, and gained 25 pounds with treatment. Then with onset of chemopause/menopause, it took me 6 years of very very very strict diet and daily exercise 7 days a week to get back to my pre-dx weight. I could not eat at all normally. I could not enjoy anything about meals, and my husband and I ate meals separately to help deal with it. It was becoming impossible, a social nightmare, and I was slowly regaining weight even with all the effort I was making. Every day was deeply depressing and terribly difficult, with many days going hungry and feeling very angry about it.I saw an endocrinologist, who performed a batch of lab tests and said that they showed I was eating what he would recommend. He said that in order to maintain at my pre-diagnosis weight, I should exercise 2 hours per day. I've been physically active all my life, but that would be unrealistic unless I quit working. This was when I'd heard a bit about the very start of metformin trials for breast cancer patients, so I mentioned the trials and asked him for a prescription for it on a trial basis. He prescribed it for me.
I was actually a bit hesitant to use it, so introduced it very gradually over time after reaching a weight that appalled me. I fasted for 4 days, and then ate like a normal person but used the metformin occasionally.
It has made a huge difference for me. I only take it when I'm eating things that are starchy (that I wasn't able to eat at all after treatment), or if I eat more than a small amount of food, and I only take a low dose of it (250 mg). But now I can eat with my husband again, eating the same foods he is eating, and I can eat in social situations and not avoid them entirely while going hungry.
My impression of what it did for me is that it somehow helped to "reset" my digestive system back into a more normal pattern than the pattern I had after treatment. I am very physically active now but don't have to take on focused exercise -- I just enjoy keeping busy with my friends and family.
I can't say whether it would work that well for anyone else, and I do not think it would be as helpful for someone who is normally sedentary.
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Wow momoschki,, 20 pounds!!,,, that may get me looking "close" to where I should be. I weigh as much as I weighed for my kids at 9 months pregnant. It has been so difficult to "heal and move on" from breast cancer when you can't even recognize yourself in the mirror. It's a constant reminder of the whole experience when nothing at all seems the same. I do not have my breasts, nor do I have implants, my hair is still very short from just growing back from chemo, so the last thing I need is to have all of this unwanted extra weight dragging my self esteem down even more. It's bad enough how the tamoxifen makes me feel like I am 90 yrs old with the pain in my feet, the fatigue from insomnia and the horrible hot flashes all day long, I don't want to spend the "rest of my life" being miserable.. I'm trying to look forward to getting some of this weight off and enjoy this summer since last summer was spent having surgery after surger and the chemo!!
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Pamela...Just want to pass along some personal info. I, too, have/had lobular...I currently take herbal Tamoxifen from Dr. George Wong in NYC and feel great. I could not take Tamoxifen due to my family history of uterine cancers...please PM if u like. xxoo
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I am so eager to start Metformin. I have been reading all of the positive reviews and I will feel like I am having double protection, between that and the tamoxifen. I hope it is the "wonder drug" that I keep reading about!
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Is there still as much excitement about Metformin? I am trying to decide whether to take it or not (just started, actually, but have only taken 3 pills so far). I found some more recent articles that sounded disappointing:
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Although I was "too far out from diagnosis" to participate in the clinical trials when I started it to help deal with weight gain after menopause, it has been helpful to me.
This may provide helpful information about the question of metabolic management in general, not specific to metformin, for you to consider. I posted this elsewhere but I do think it may be relevant:
"Is the concept of implementing standardized annual metabolic monitoring by labs as a standard practice just too simple (or too complicated) for our medical providers to use? Could it be applied as an inexpensive way for patients to be monitored in preventing the development of breast cancer, and perhaps be helpful in early detection?
Instead, we just keep depending upon the hit and miss of annual radiation exposure applied based on age, which is also a matter of controversy.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/288152.php
Maybe if somebody dressed the idea up with expensive modern technogeek equipment it would become more "popular" with medical providers?"
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