Need your help! Atypical lobular hyperplasia

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Shelly1974
Shelly1974 Member Posts: 21
edited February 2016 in High Risk for Breast Cancer

Did biopsy in three areas, two on left and one on right. All came back atypical lobular hyperplasia. Negative genetic mutations. Doctor recommends excision surgery on those three ares and tamoxifen for five years. Just from the idea that not only my breast will have holes and scars in three places, I will need to live with anxiety and checkup every 6 months not to mention horrible side effects for tamoxifen. Doctor thinks double mastectomy is too radical. I am just so confused. Why is it radical if I have ALH in three areas? Did any of you was in that situation? Please help. I am 40.

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2014

    You may find the following articles on our main site to be of interest in further discussions with your Doctor and people on here.

    See Benign Breast Disease Increases Risk and Certain Breast Changes .

    We are sure you'll have other members give you the benefit of their experiences.

    We wish you the best.

    The Mods

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited December 2014

    I have both LCIS and ALH, which was found on a core biopsy. (LCIS is normally regarded as higher risk than ALH, roughly almost twice the risk. Histologically, LCIS is a more 'extreme' case of ALH; some places group LCIS and ALH together and call the group 'lobular neoplasia'. This is partly because it is sometimes hard to draw the line between ALH and LCIS because its a continuum.) I had a subsequent excision of the area, which removed about 2 tablespoonfuls of tissue, and showed nothing worse than what I already have. I have a weak family history, with several aunts and a grandmother on the other side of the family having postmenopausal breast cancer. My breast surgeon refused to do any further breast surgery on me. I was given a lifetime risk of breast cancer of about 30-40%, though that is a very soft figure (in other words, they don't know that number well at all.)

    It took a few months for the swelling and bruising to go away. After about year 2, I have to really, really search to find the faint pink scar, which is less than 1 inch long. (I have a B cup.) I had every 3-6 month screenings for the first 2 years or so (because I had 2 additional breast biopsies, and at my place after a biopsy they do more imaging 3-6 months after each biopsy.) I haven't had any more breast biopsies or imaging call backs after year 2. After about year 3, I'm down to twice-a-year clinical exams and yearly mammograms. (That's what the NCCN recommends for LCIS.) I took 5 years of tamoxifen. Last year my oncologist said she doesn't want to see me anymore.

    Most LCIS is multifocal (meaning it occurs in multiple spots in one breast) and is often bilateral (meaning it occurs in both breasts.) They know this because before about 1990, they used to routinely treat LCIS with prophylactic bilateral mastectomies, and they could look at the mastectomy specimens. So, even though they removed my one spot of LCIS and a spot of ALH, it is highly likely that I have other spots of ALH and LCIS in my breasts.

    We don't know what causes ALH or LCIS, or how it confers increased breast cancer risk. But just because you had 3 spots of ALH does not necessarily mean you are at higher risk than a person who only had 1 known spot of ALH. I probably have 3 spots of ALH and/or LCIS, but the only way they could tell is if they biopsied all of both breasts, which essentially means a mastectomy.

    I took tamoxifen for 5 years. It really wasn't bad for me. I had benign endometrial polyps every 18 months while on tamoxifen, but I also had benign endometrial polyps before I took tamoxifen. At first I had some mild 'warm' flashes, but I was peri-menopausal anyway. Tamoxifen experiences differ; some have no adverse effects whatsoever, and some have horrible adverse effects. If you have little to no adverse effects on a medication, you are much less likely to post about them. So you can't take the number of posts on this board and say they represent the population of people who take tamoxifen.

    So, depending on your particular risk factors, you may not need to be screened with imaging every 6 months for the rest of your life.

    In the study cited by the moderators above, roughly 16% of the study group (both ALH and ADH) ended up getting invasive breast cancer. Yes, since this study covered women diagnosed from 1967-2001, the 16% is probably an slight underestimation of the risk, since it is likely that many of the women diagnosed in the latter portion of this period are still alive, so they didn't measure their lifetime risk. (The average age to diagnose LCIS is in one's 40s or 50s.) But still, it gives you an idea. Remember, the lifetime risk for 'average, run-of-the-mill' women in the USA to get breast cancer is about 13%.

    Remember, most women who get invasive breast cancer will not die of breast cancer, but will die of something else. Of course, no one wants to get breast cancer. But depending on your other risk factors (mainly family history of breast/ovarian cancer, particularly pre-menopausal in 1st degree or 2nd degree relatives), you may have a lower risk than you think.

  • Shelly1974
    Shelly1974 Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2014

    thank you so much for taking the time to reply.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited December 2014

    Shelley I won't worry too much about side effects. If the side effects bother you can always stop the medicine take a break or try a different drug. I am currently taking a break from exemestane. The ringing in my right ear has been driving me crazy it is getting better.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited December 2014

    Hi Shelley - When I was diagnosed with ADH/ALH my BS sent me to see a genetic counselor to put an number on my risk. I also have a scary family history that compounds the risk. You could also consider a second opinion from another BS, though it is likely they'd think it extreme to have a PBM for ALH. I imagine you'll be getting yearly MRI's right? Mammos are not great for those with extremely dense tissue. Honestly IMHO I think you are very young to have this presented already. Tamoxifen really is a wonder drug, though I loathe taking it. None of this is all or nothing. As Meow says, you can try it and see how it works. You can also try the alternating screening. Leaf is a great example of someone who opted to do surveillance and Tamoxifen and has not had any further issues.

    It really stinks AND it is very disconcerting that you have to deal with this. Take it step by step. There is a ton of good information on this website and I am glad you found it. Take care!

  • www2b
    www2b Member Posts: 16
    edited December 2014

    Shelley, I was diagnosed with ALH too. Over the past year I had two biopsies which both showed ALH and one showed ADH. My breast surgeon recommended PBM. I got a second opinion who recommended the same. I lost my mother to BC when she was 56, I am 53. So I went ahead with the surgery last September. Surgeon said both breasts were full of ALH. I got tissue expanders and I haven't had my exchange surgery yet. It's not easy but my decision will certainly take some of the worry away.


    Good Luck!

  • treetoo
    treetoo Member Posts: 43
    edited January 2015

    this study is the most current.

    http://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-...


    google atypical hyperplasia and select news

    alh is now considered a higher risk than previously thought

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited January 2015

    Hi Treetop, thank you for this fascinating article. It is interesting that ALH is considered as high risk (or even more) than ADH, and that both ADH and ALH put one at greater risk for IDC than ILC.  Also that most of the patients who were diagnosed on follow-up had intermediate to high grade cancer diagnoses.  I had ADH/ALH diagnosed at a relatively young age (43).  It was described as "severe" in terms of the pathological changes, and was re-read at MSKCC as the same diagnosis.  Nothing showed up in subsequent biopsies until 17 years later.  And with that, it was only DCIS, although multifocal, extensive and high grade.  There was also adjacent ADH, which was what was found on core biopsy (DCIS found on follow-up excisional biopsy and additional surgeries to get clean margins).  Anyway, since so many patients went on to IDC, including a number who were node positive, it is important to realize that ADH/ALH are high risk markers (especially if multifocal-and with higher grade pathology).

  • treetoo
    treetoo Member Posts: 43
    edited January 2015

    Hi Ballet12!

    did you take any preventative meds like tamoxifen?

    for me 7 years ago, no excision, no meds.

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited January 2015

    Hi Treetop, when I was diagnosed back in 1995, the Tamoxifen was only in clinical trials for high risk patients.  I was still actually trying to have another child, so I didn't go that route, although I briefly (crazily) considered MX, because I was going to use (and did use fertility treatments, briefly).

    Now, post DCIS, I am choosing not to take hormonals, and ironically, my risk now (post diagnosis) is lower than it was.  I'm just doing lifestyle changes. I am now treated at MSKCC, and they don't give me any grief about it...The radiation therapy is really really good at lowering recurrence risk, and I don't really worry at all about the contralateral breast (which that study clearly supports). I'd be like you--no meds--so I'm hoping for the best for you.  At least you made it past that first five years. I hope you are on a high risk imaging regimen. I did not do that.

  • treetoo
    treetoo Member Posts: 43
    edited January 2015

    Ballet, I am making this a public post so others can read.

    i would love to chat with you in private at some point.

    I did MRI for 5 years. Now I do this.......(twice so far).

    This year I will add ultrasound.

    http://www.radiologytoday.net/archive/rt0212p34.sh...

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited January 2015

    Hi Treeto (finally got your name right), feel free to PM me.  I read about CESM before.  Perhaps you were the one who posted this another time. Interesting. 

  • Shelly1974
    Shelly1974 Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2015

    Thank you so much girls! I read the article before and actually printed it for my BS. I met with her and explained that I am asking for quality of life. No fear. No chemo in future.

    I have decided bilateral mastectomy. Reading all medical literature and posts of how woman been thru multiple biopsies and screening. I think the best option to be to remove and live without the fear.

    1. I have ALH in both breasts.

    2. Relatively young so more years to go with it.

    Please feel free to comment. It is a great support in the whole process.

    Shelly

  • treetoo
    treetoo Member Posts: 43
    edited January 2015

    All the very best. Let us know if your dr. agrees.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2015

    treetoo--thank-you for posting these articles. Having LCIS ( a step further along the bc spectrum and double the risk / severity of ADH /ALH), I like to keep as up to date as possible with the research. It makes me glad I am continuing with my high risk surveillance of alternating mammos and MRIs every 6 months, and also that I took tamoxifen for 5 years (article says it help to reduce risk of invasive bc by 75%, which is even better than the 45-50% that is often quoted in articles) and then evista. ( I have been taking it on and off for about 5 years; am on a break right now, trying to find another oncologist as mine left the practice and then will no longer take my insurance!).


    Anne

  • treetoo
    treetoo Member Posts: 43
    edited January 2015

    anyone hear of fosteum plus?

    I have some articles on it being a natural alterative to chemoprevtative meds.

    Here's one.....

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8970179

  • mia4
    mia4 Member Posts: 63
    edited April 2015

    Hi shelly1974 I am 49 and going through the same thing.I just want to send a hug because their is no peace of mind with this alh.And I don't think a masctomy is too radical peace of mind does a wonderful thing for your body.

  • Lolis197138
    Lolis197138 Member Posts: 512
    edited January 2015

    Hi Ladies,

    I haven't read all the articles but I am glad I came across this post.

    My pathology report showed focal ALH and FEA and some other nasty words. Also my breasts are dense and show fibrocystic changes. I am almost 3 months out of my last radiation and I am wondering of the chances that my right breast has ALH and of it developing IDC as well. 

    I am on tamoxifen and hate the hot flashes! 

    Would the doctor just do a biopsy of the breast as a preventive measure when only cysts are present? Am I worrying too much?  

  • Lolis197138
    Lolis197138 Member Posts: 512
    edited January 2015

    ...and ADH was present as well

  • mia4
    mia4 Member Posts: 63
    edited April 2015

    Hi lolis
    Please talk to your dr. and tell him or her how you feel and you can always get a second opinion.hugs and prayers coming your way.

  • Shelly1974
    Shelly1974 Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2015

    Mia4,

    Thank you so much for the hug and for your words, it helps so much!

    Now that i have decided to go on the masctomy path, i know that there will be different chalanges but at least one that i can control.

    Lolis,

    I agree with Mia4. big hug.

    Shelly

  • mia4
    mia4 Member Posts: 63
    edited April 2015

    Dear shelly we are here for you and support you more hugs and prayers coming your wayWinking.

  • Alizverao49
    Alizverao49 Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2016

    I totally understand your concern. I have just been diagnosed with ALH in one breast and from reading treatments shown here (I have appointment with surgeon next week) and since I had problems with my liver in the past, I'm not sure if I would want to take Tamoxifen for 5 yrs and so many screenings and further biopsies. I also thought of mastectomy of that breast and reconstruction. I came here to see if others have same experience. Best of luck to you.


  • Alizverao49
    Alizverao49 Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2016

    Shelly: How old were u when you had the bilateral mastectomy? How was your experience? Hope you came out well!

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited February 2016

    Dear Alizverao: This is an old thread that has not been active in a while. I was dx with multi focal ALH, FEA, PASH, pleomorphic LCIS, pleomorphic ILC, and ITC. I had a double lumpectomy, rads, and an oophorectomy so that I could take arimidex / anastrazole. I have extremely dense breasts. I'm fine. No S.E. Good luck.

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