Who Has Traveled Far for Recon?
Hi everyone, this is my first post!
As my signature says (I hope it says), I am one year post diagnosis. I had neoadjuvant chemo ending last December, then a dbl mx with TEs placed under pec muscles, then 28 rad treatments that ended in May 2014. I live in New Jersey. I am married and have an almost 7 yo daughter.
I have PM'd several women here - Zenful, kb133, momof3boys, etc. to hear their experiences having traveled far for recon, and it's been invaluable. But as everyone's situation is a little different, I thought I'd post broadly for anyone wanting to discuss the issues - both logistically and emotionally - involved in traveling far for reconstructive surgery. I hope others will join in.
As for me, because my recon is delayed, I have some time to mull over my options. I hate the TEs, don't get me wrong, and want them out asap, but I am considering going to NOLA for the recon. I have done lots of research (likely too much at this point) and I really want to go there. However, my support network here at home (my husband & parents) is going to be a hard sell. And I am less than comfortable making them more uncomfortable. . .
Anyway, I sent in the initial paperwork to NOLA and have talked to two patients personally, so I am on the path. Anyone else care to chime in on how they're making (or have made) the decision to travel far for recon and how to deal with the well-meaning opposition of family, friends or significant others? I would love to hear from you.
I am always amazed by the generosity of the women on this board. . .I joined within a day of my diagnosis and BC.org has been a constant companion along the way. Thank you all. MerrellGirl
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Another NOLA girl here. I traveled from the DC/MD area to NOLA for sGAP surgery. For me it was the right decision. I think the skill of the surgeons and the good nursing care were absolutely worth traveling.It turned out to be very doable. The majority of NOLA patients are from out of town and they are set up to do a good job of handling us.
Following a bc diagnosis I had a very problematic DIEP reconstruction which was done in Maryland. I had multiple revisions done with my original ps and then I jumped ship and went to another more experienced local microvascular ps who was affiliated with a different hospital for further revisions. I was worn down by the experience. In addition to problems with the reconstruction I had problems with my care - in one very stressful instance my pain spiraled completely out of control because the nurse took so long to respond to my call button. I think the staff was just overworked....
I eventually went to NOLA for a ns prophylactic sGAP on the other side and further revisions to my DIEP. I feel the skill of the surgeons and the nursing care I received at NOLA was way better than anything I experienced at home. (At this point I probably I could write a Zagat Guide). The docs did a nice job with my sGAP and greatly improved my DIEP side. The nurses respond to the call button almost immediately (and were repeatedly checking on me even though the call button wasn't pressed.) There, of course, can be problems with any surgery, but I think going to NOLA stacks the deck in your favor.
My DC oncologist originally discouraged me from going to NOLA. "Why travel for surgery when there are good surgeons here..." After she saw my results and heard about my experience she is now sending other patients there....
Feel free to PM me.
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Wow Besa, thank you for replying! I don't know if I could persevere like you have thru all that. Given that you were going there to "fix" things (as opposed to being treated for active cancer), did you have to wait a long time before getting a surgery date? How long ago were you there? Have you had to make multiple trips and did you fly down beforehand for just the consult? I am hoping to minimize the trips.
Did anyone besides your onco doc express concern about going so far? Did you have someone with you there for the surgery? I can imagine that because of your history, people close to you might not have batted an eye when you said you were going south since you obviously had done all you could do at home and was still very dissatisfied.
Curious, had you gone to Johns Hopkins??? I was considering them since it would require only driving and they seem to be doing lots of flaps, but NOLA is really where I think I need to be.
I will PM you, but I wanted to keep the post active so others contemplating this would have more to read.
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I did a ton of research and decided not to go to Hopkins. If I was going to stay local I might have gone with Bernard Chang at Mercy in Baltimore but I felt that NOLA (Dr. Dellacroce) would offer me more.
In the end the two practices I considered were Joshua Levine/Robert Allen's practice in New York City or Dr. Dellacroce/Sullivan's group in NOLA. I had consults with both groups and I felt the NOLA group was the best choice for me.
Many women just send photo's and records down to NOLA and then show up for surgery. It generally is not necessary to have a consult before hand. But because of all I had been through I wanted to meet with the doctors first before I made a final decision.
I got a NOLA surgery date fairly quickly -- I can't remember exactly how long I waited but probably only a couple of months. But I think things can get very busy at the very end of the calendar year and if you are not in active treatment it may be more difficult to schedule at that time.
I asked a number of physician friends to help me research this and the consensus was that NOLA was the place to go. My husband supported my decision (but the decision was mine and he would have supported what ever I decided on). He flew down with me for my surgery. Again I can't remember the exact number of days at this point but it wasn't more than 2 weeks - possibly a week and a half.
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Besa, how long ago did you go to NOLA? All total, how many trips did you make there? Are you finished "tweaking" everything? What about tattooing - do/did you need that and would you do it there also? What kept pushing you to try to get your recon right after what sounds like many hurdles?Did you have young children when you went? If so, who did you leave them with? That's funny about your husband catching a Saints game while there with you; I could totally see my husband doing that too.
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After a failed implant recon and much research, I travelled from Seattle, WA area to the Center for Narural Breast Reconstruction in Charleston, SC.
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Just edited out the part about husband going to the saints game - then saw your latest post.
I went to NOLA in 2011 and 2012. I had 3 surgeries in NOLA. My original sGAP (stage I) and then a revision(stage 2) which included revision to the sGAP and sGAP donor site also work on my DIEP side. The main purpose of the stage one surgery is to get the transplanted tissue to take, the stage two surgery makes things look nicer. For stage 2 I was only in NOLA for a few days and was back to work and recovered within 2 weeks. Most women have 2 surgeries. I opted for an additional short 3rd surgery to make things a little better and that had a lot to do with the problematic DIEP side.
Totally unnecessary in terms of surgery but after all I had gone through necessary for my mental health - I flew down to NOLA before my first surgery for a consult and also before my stage 2. Southwest flies between Baltimore and NOLA and that makes the trip easy for me.
I later went to NOLA for tattooing with Vinnie Myers (on my DIEP side, sGAP side was ns) but that was really a celebration trip for my husband and myself. Vinnie has a shop in Maryland and I could have easily seen him there (actually bumped into him at the Baltimore airport on the way to NOLA).
I am done - no more tweaking but I do have fond feelings about the city of NOLA.
Why did I keep going trying to fix things -a good question now that I am done. After my first surgeries with my original ps I felt mutilated instead of reconstructed. I realized my original ps was well trained but inexperienced. I guess I kept going because I wanted a better outcome and felt that that was possible. Very importantly I have a good friend who is physician who stepped in, helped me with research, and encouraged me to go to a more skilled ps.
My children are older so I didn't need to find care while I was out of town.
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Wow that is an awesome story, Besa. You are truly an inspiration. Glad you replied here. Thanks again.
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Cascader, did your immediate friends/family support your decision to fly across the country for reconstruction? How many trips did you make? Are you happy with your results? Would you do it again? Any tips or pearls of wisdom for us nervous types who are just warming up to the idea of going a long distance for recon? -
My husband was completely supportive, close friends also. Other family members and some of my local doctors not so much., thought it was crazy and did not understand. I didn't have the energy to explain, just did what I knew was right for me and left them out of the process . A little hurtful. After the initial surgery I actually stayed for a month in a condo I rented. Honestly the logistics were not the easiest to figure, but I decided it was the only way I was going to do it. I live quite rural and closest medical facility is 4-5 hours over mountain pass so that was why I stayed so long. No regrets on that decision at all, had to shuffle caregivers , but the extended stay gave me piece of mind . I am a uni and yes very happy with my results. I waited 6 months, went for stage 2 and 6 months later went for minor revisions and a nipple. It is big surgery, big decision but I spent a year preparing both mentally and physically. So very happy that Dr Kline and staff came into life. No regrets
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I traveled from NY to SC for bi SGAP.My doctors were top notch but one side failed.I know most women do fine with the travel,but I wish I had consulted Dr.Mark Smith (who accepts a lot of different insurance and has an excellent reputation)in NYC before I made the longer trip.I also wish I had taken the time and expense of having my pre op and MRA in SC more than the day before surgery.Just because there is a chance the MRA may show you do not have large enough arteries to use...rare,but possible.I had a rough trip home and it set back my recovery.I now am one sided and financially unable to go back to SC for another extended stay until at least late next year.Not trying to discourage you,but I have learned more from other's failures(and my own)than from the success stories.
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GtCarolina, so sorry to hear about your failed SGAP flap. Do you have any ideas why it failed? Was it the cancer side or prophy side? Could you get a lat flap with implant closer to home? Would you go back to SC again? How long did you stay in SC after your surgery?
Thanks for the name of the NY surgeon. I will look him up. Yes, if I could feel confident staying closer to home I would certainly do it. Just so many factors to consider. . .and decisions!
Thank you so much for replying. You're right: we need to learn from others' "less than successful" recon efforts as well as the successful ones.
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No idea why it failed...Dr Kine worked 5 hours on it...total surgery was 14 hours.It was the proph side....my surgery was the 12th,I flew home the 20th.if I traveled again,I would do like cascader and stay for a month....I am not even thinking about another surgery now,just trying to get back to normal.I would go to Dr Kline again in a heartbeat......but
would not travel again until thoroughly investigating every other possibility.
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GtCarolina,
Dr. Mark Smith can't see me for a consult until Nov. 18! He is in my insurance network, though, which is a huge consideration. I am just so ready to know when these painful tissue expanders are coming out...I told his assistant I would call weekly to see if anyone canceled. . .ugh!
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The other doctors I mentioned will work with your insurance....Dr.Julie Vasile was wonderful,she spent hours on the phone with me......Dr. Greenspun does accept certain insurance and I had a long phone consult with him ...at the time I had HMO and they made it impossible for me to even consider going out of network.I have heard good things about Dr Ahn too.All of these doctors do perforator flaps and fat grafting.All trained or work with Dr.Allen and Dr.Levine,so they are tops in their field and main focus is breast recon.I will try to find you the link that lists doctors by state that do flap surgery....please know I am in no way trying to talk you out of traveling,just want you to find the best surgeon for you...and if you can stay close to home so much the better...
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Thank you again, Carolina
How many days after your surgery did your flap fail? And how did you know there was a problem? Had you already left SC? How did you handle it (ER, your primary or a local ps?) Just curious.
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My flap failed in surgery,the blood kept clotting and would not flow.So I woke up to hear that one side failed.It still seems unreal.The doctor worked for five hours,but it was not meant to be.I knew it was possible,just never seriously thought about what I would do if that happened.
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Oh GtC I am so sorry for your experience. . .and I really thank you soooo much for replying to my initial post and sharing it with me. And thank you for the names of the new docs in NYC area.
I am in the thick of it now, not knowing where I will go for recon, when it will be, how i will do it. . .I am hoping for clarity soon. In the meantime I will continue to gather info and consult locally. I hope you have peace about yourself no matter what state of recon you have. You were very courageous to go the distance for recon and I pray you will find all you need to either stop where you are and be okay with it, or try recon again in the future.
Message me anytime, for anything. Wendy
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I AM ALSO TRYING TO MAKE THIS DECISION..I HAD MY TE EXCHANGE TO IMPLANTS AND I HATE THEM..FEEL LIKE THEY ARE CHRUSHING ME EVEN WHEN I TAKE A DEEP BREATH..LEANING OVER TO TAKE CLOTHES OUT OF TTHE DRYER SENDS ME INTO SPASMS..HAVENT TAKEN MY BRA OFF EXCEPT TO SHOWER AND PUT ON A FRESH ONE SINCE SURGERY 3 MONTHS AGO.. GRAVITY IS A KILLER..SO I WANT MY OWN TISSUE RECONSTRUCTION.. I HAVE HAD 2 CONSULTS BOTH AGREE I NEED 4 FLAP RECONSTRUCTION.SINCE IVE NEVER BEEN PREGNANT... SO COULD I GATHER OPINOINS ON ANYONE WHO HAS HAD THIS?? I THINK I HAVE A GOOD DONOR SITE FOR A PAP FLAP ALONG WITH SMALL DIEP FLAP..I AM WILLING TO TRAVEL... NOLA? DR ALLEN? GREENSPUN? ANYONE HEARD OF OR KNOW ANYONE THAT HAS GONE TO DR SADEGHI IN NEWORLEANS OR DR HADDOCK IN DALLAS?? ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS WOULD HELP
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Nevins- Dr. Marga Massey did my flaps. She operates in NOLA, Charleston and Chicago. Having a baby is not a prerequisite for having enough tissue for DIEP. If you are slender, a stacked flap is not uncommon. Just be sure that whoever you choose does stacked routinely - like once a week. Dr. Marga is one of the kindest, most compassionate surgeons I have met. She always made me feel comfortable with every step of the procedure. You need a surgeon you can have a bit of a relationship with as it takes several surgeries. I had implants for many years. I absolutely love my DIEP. But it is a process and it takes time to heal from major surgery.
Dr. Allen is the created of flap recon I the US. Because he did most of his work in a university hospital setting until hurricane Katrina, ther are many doctors that did fellowships with him. (Kline and Cragie in Charleston, Sedeghi in NOLA, Levine and Ahn in NYC to name a few). I am sure he is terrific, but my research did not give me the feeling I would be more a person than a patient. That was important to me and my DH and that feeling guided us to Dr. Marga. If you hop over to the DIEP 2014 thread, they may suggest other docs or know some of the ones you have been considering. PM me if you need more info.
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Hi there Merrellgirl! I just read your thread and found it interesting as I'm also considering travelling for reconstructive surgery. Did you end up deciding where to go? I'm in Canada and wait times are long here. I'm also not feeling that confident with the surgeons I've seen. They just don't have the experience with flap surgery that some of the Drs in the US have and I'm told I'm not an easy case. I'm hoping for delayed bilateral Diep, maybe with small implants added in stage 2 if I can't get enough volume with my own fat. I dont want to use muscle and and I don't want scars in new places if it can be helped (already have a Csection scar on my tummy). I've looked at Nola and PRMA in San Antonio Texas. Both seem great but PRMA is a bit less expensive so I'm leaning towards PRMA.
I'd love to hear what you've decided to do.
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Hi Neta69,I actually decided to go to NOLA. I am 2.5 weeks out from the "Body Lift" reconstruction procedure. Those 3-4 weeks between "thinking" I should go to NOLA and "deciding" to go were nothing short of hell for me. I lost even more weight during that time (it's lack of ab material that made me consider NOLA in the first place since I couldn't find a local ps to perform a stacked DIEP/GAP recon for me). NOLA is not in my insurance network, so I also had to decide how much I was worth to ME when making this decision. I decided that I wanted to start with the best possible surgeons I could, and if that meant mortgaging the house, then so be it. I had just read too many women's accounts of failed flaps and other problems who then went to NOLA to get "fixed". Sure, having the procedure at NOLA came with no guarantees, but had I not started there and had complications, I would really regret it.
So I did it. And you know what? It was truly as easy as all the women here said it would be. I stayed at the American Cancer Society's Hope Lodge, which was free (I left a donation, but still not as much as I would have paid for a hotel). I dealt with the Center's staff entirely remotely, sending photos, faxes, etc. and lengthy phone calls with their billing department to negotiate the costs up front. Went down the Saturday before (op scheduled for Tues) and enjoyed New Orleans with my husband as best I could, given my nerves. I met the surgeon on Monday, and showed up the next day for what turned out to be a 14 hour surgery! Post-op care was absolutely first rate, and when I was discharged I went back to Hope Lodge for 4 more days before going home (I stayed longer than most women here do it seems; I wanted the extra time in case any complications showed up soon after surgery, which they didn't).
Neta, you are on the right track. My mantra throughout this ordeal has been to try to make choices today that I will really be glad I made in 5 or 10 years from now. That mantra helped me choose a double mx, and to go to NOLA for the stacked flap recon instead of opting for the lat flap/DIEP flap combo I could get locally. And so far so good; I am healing really well, feeling good, and actually looking forward to the Stage 2 procedure next year. I don't know much about PRMA, but I'm sure there's a discussion board here about them. If you need a straightforward DIEP for bilateral recon, and aren't enthused by your local options, by all means consider coming down here for better options. Private message women who have gone there; I actually talked on the phone to no less than 4 women who had gone to NOLA, each for about an hour.
Ask me anything. I know I would not have had the gumption to do this had it not been for the incredible women on this board who've shared their experiences, so I offer any help I can provide. Good Luck!
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Thank you Merrellgirl! Your sharing your experience is really helpful. How are you feeling after 2 1/2 weeks?
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Neta,
I had failed implants and radiation damage. So glad to be rid of the cold implants and pain and now have natural breast reconstruction with SGAP flaps.
Love and trust my new docs and their staff at The Center for Natural Breast Reconstruction, which is in Charleston, SC.
They are TOP docs in US for this kind of breast recon, and only work with breast cancer patients.
They also accept all insurance.
I had Dr. Richard Kline. His partner is Dr James Craigie.
Http://www.centerfornaturalbreastreconstruction.com.
He does a free phone consultation. I talked to his OR nurse, Chris, and PA, Kim, and sent pictures first. -
So after almost a year and a lot of research I had my DIEP in NOLA. I also considered PRMA in San Antonio but NOLA won out in the end. I'm recovering now, back in Canada, 2 weeks out. My PS (Dr Dellacroce) will add small implants in stage 2 if I want to help with size and projection. Already I'm impressed with how he managed to find "material" for my bilateral reconstruction where other PS said there wasn't enough. I was apparently a difficult case with abdominal scars from previous surgeries and not enough tummy fat. I decided to travel and pay out of pocket for my surgery as I wasn't offered the type of reconstruction I wanted by my Canadian PS and because wait times are so long here. I also decided I wanted the best surgeon I could find after all I've been through and the ugly job the surgeon who performed my mastectomy did. Dr Dellacroce is one of the best in the world. I was looking at a 2 year wait here and I didn't want Lat Dorsi flaps, I wanted DIEP. The cost is horrendous but it's tax deductible and I don't regret my desicion to travel for one second. I wish every woman going through bc would be taken care of as I was at the Centre in NOLA. They really do live up to their reputation. I was lucky and didn't have any complications while in the US. If I'd ended up needing more surgery and a longer hospital stay the cost would have gone through the roof
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I am in touch with NOLA. I never in a million years thought I would travel but now I am considering it. I know I will face some flack, but my grandfather taught me you go to the best you can find. He had a heart attack when he was 57. Not one of his 6 siblings lived past 60. All died of heart related stuff. So he found out the best doctor. It was doctor Debakey. He was the most famous heart doctor at the time and I think he put in the first pacemaker. I will never forget how proud he was that he could go to that doctor. He went back down for checkups for about 8 years in a row. He lived to be 79.
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Trvler,"Traveling" for great health care is in your genes! I never thought I would do it, either. Never. In fact, when I was first diagnosed, I thought for sure I wouldn't have a free flap surgery - that I would just try implants. NOT. Dealing with bc has given me b@!!$* where I once had none. It was certainly nerve wracking, living in that undecided mode, but time passed and before I knew it, I was on a plane to New Orleans. I owe so much to the women here who helped me.
I got your PM. Ask away. We can schedule a phone call over the weekend if you like. I have a small child and work full time so weeknights aren't good for me. My experience was somewhat different because I had a double mastectomy before going to NOLA. I had expanders put in then had 5 weeks of radiation. I waited 4 months or so after that for the skin to heal before going down. Do you know what your treatment plan will be? I strongly recommend pinning that down as much as possible, especially if there's a chance you'll have radiation. You don't want to radiate newly created flap foobies!
Zenful went to NOLA and had bilat mx with reconstruction in one surgery. You may want to friend her too. I talked to her before deciding to go as well. She is awesome. I believe Springtime had her mx at NOLA (she traveled too) but had implants first so she could get radiation treatment. Then she went back to have the natural tissue recon. We are such warriors, aren't we???
Ask away. MerrellGirl
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Someone here told me to make a decision Iwould be happy with 10 years from now. When I thought of it that way seeking out the best in the field made sense even if some people thought I was crazy. I travelled from BC Canada to NOLA for delayed DIEP reconstruction. My mastectomy was done elsewhere but I think most ladies have both Mx and reconstruction done at the same time. The results are better looking that way but treatment needs determine if this is a possibility. They take care of out of towners all the time. I was on my own until after surgery cause DH had to stay with the kids and it was not ideal but it was fine.
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Hi,
I am considering delayed reconstruction in New Orleans also, with Dr. Sullivan. Mainly because I had radiation and my options are limited since I am thin and even though I made an effort to gain weight I have not been very successful.
I am also worried about the complications from using the abdominal muscle and the resulting weakness in that area. I read that around 40% of women end up with a hernia and about 5% with permanent pain. In New Orleans they gave me an option that do not have those risks. I think that worrying about recurrence is enough; there's no need to add more health problems into the mix.
I would have to travel from Puerto Rico to New Orleans three times and of course pay for travel, hotel stay, etc. Now the plan has informed me that they will reimburse me 75% of the cost, but will not pay for it up front since the hospital is not a contracted provider. I do not have an estimate for the costs yet. I had estimated that my out of pocket expenses, including copays, deductibles and travel would take around $30,000. Now it would probably require over $100,000.
I think that even though there are excellent choices for reconstruction that have fewer long term complications, the health plan limitations and related costs simply would not allow many women to take advantage of them.
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Avrenim: Based on what I was told, those costs seem high to me. My insurance pays 60% and I wasn't thinking it was going to cost even close to that. Did you talk to NOLA about $$ yet?
I think there is an option called Hope Lodge for free accommodations.
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