Are you taking Tamoxifen or an AI? Or none?

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peacestrength
peacestrength Member Posts: 690
edited December 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

I'm really curious what other stage 3er's are taking.  Please let's start a discussion to why you chose a specific one over another. If the plan is to have most of us on these meds long term, does it make since to switch them every few years or is it better to stick with one for five years.  

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  • GraceB1
    GraceB1 Member Posts: 213
    edited January 2014

    In my limited knowledge you stick with one unless you can't tolerate the side effects or it has shown itself not to be effective. I'll be starting an AI as soon as radiation is done. I'll be interested is seeing what others have experienced.

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    Grace - I just started my AI a few weeks ago - post ovary removal.  Which AI will you be taking?  Best wishes with completing radiation. I'm still healing from it.

    You mention above, "shown itself not to be effective" - my MO said to switch to another AI or Tamoxifen after 5 years.  I'm sure that's what the studies indicate.  But I have issues with that being stage 3 - why not switch the AI or Tamoxifen (if one is post menopause) every 2 years to keep bc NED for a stage 3 person?  Anyone's MO doing this?  Is it too risky to switch every 2 years?  At my next MO appt, I'll be asking about this.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited January 2014

    I've been on Femara/letrozole for almost 4 yrs.  I can't really say 'I chose' - Dr T said he wanted me on Femara unless there were 'problems'.  I'm Stage IIIc IBC and am still (as far as I know at this minute) NED.  He has said as long as all goes as it has so far, I'll be on it 'forever'.

  • Kiss77
    Kiss77 Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2014

    I'm on Tamoxifen. My MO wants me to switch to AI after 2 or 2.5 years and (if everything is ok) to stay on it for at least 8 years.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited January 2014

    Just a note- AI's are most effective for those who are post-menopausal.  While I was pre-meno, I could not take tamoxifen due to an earlier blood clot... so I was on lupron/Femara.  Stopped the lupron about 3 years in because I figured I was at menopause--- will take femara until June when the 5 years are up... I tolerated femara reaonably well.... so I just stayed on it, but cannot wait to get off it.

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    This good information from all of you. 

    Kicks - If all goes ok for me too, I will be on and AI or Tamoxifen a long time....maybe forever.  

    Kiss - thanks for sharing.  What was your MO reasoning for switching you at 2 years?

    Mom - you're close to being complete with Femara - congrats!  I understand about the pre and post menopause AI requirements - that's why had my ovaries removed - permanent menopause and switched to Femara recently. 

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Member Posts: 3,945
    edited January 2014

    i was on arimidex for six months, and seriously could not tolerate the pain. so onc put me on tamox in june?july? have to look at my papers. but. i have been having rib pain since surgury, and boom now i have been able to feel alump, and yesterday, they finally looked at it, and now i have to do a biopsy. they said, could be enlarged lymphnode, fat necrosis, or cancer. fine do a biopsy, but. i want them to do a fullbody ct/pet just to find out extent of disease, cause even tho i dont have a crystal ball, i do have a good sense of my body, and great intuition. so we will see.

  • Kiss77
    Kiss77 Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2014

    peacestrength, I'm not switched yet. Maybe I didn't express my self clear - sorry, my  English is not very good. I'll be switched two or two and a half years after the end of treatment. My MO says that Tamoxifen  fails after 2 years and the best way is first Tamoxifen and then AI.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2014

    Kiss77:  Why does your onc say that Tamoxifen fails after 2 years?  Just curious as my onc would prefer me to be on it past 5 years, maybe even 10 years.  She said studies show that keeping on it is best even after 5 years and maybe forever, if we can tolerate it.  Luckily, the only real problem I don't like is the leg and foot cramps from taking it.  I've heard before that Tamoxifen is only beneficial to those women who are not er/pr positive and that studies proved that.  I'll ask my onc at the next checkup about all this...

    Shelly

  • Kiss77
    Kiss77 Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2014

    Shelly, she thinks it fails sometimes, not in all cases but she don't want to take the risk.

  • pp729
    pp729 Member Posts: 135
    edited January 2014

    My mom was diagnosed with Stage IIIb IDC in January 2011 and underwent a unilateral mastectomy in April.  She opted not to have chemo and radiation following surgery, and to do only the AIs.  She has been on various AIs including Anastrozole (Arimidex), then Letrozole (Femara), then Exemestane (Aromasin) -- all with major side effects.  She has stopped taking them completely January 2012.

    Full body scan and bone scans have shown no cancer.  Followup blood tests every 3 months also have shown nothing.  She's now 3 years out from diagnosis and 2 years out without any AIs.  I know it sounds risky given that she did not do chemo or radiation, but her quality of life has been the most important factor.

  • dancermom
    dancermom Member Posts: 53
    edited January 2014

    I am stage IIIc.  Have been on tamoxifen since November 2011 when I finished radiation.  I was premenopausal when I started treatment in March 2011, and they only use tamoxifen in those circumstances.  At least that is what I think.  After five years, will switch to something else.  I don't think they like you on tamoxifen for more than 5 years because of the risk of uterine cancer.   Also, I think it loses effectiveness beyond that.

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    Shelly-I have heard that from my MO too - to stay on one for five years and switch after five years.  But, I have also heard from others on this board what Kiss77 is saying - to switch at the two year mark.

    Kiss77-I am in the USA and wonder about if your MO knows something deeper about Tamoxifen failing after two years?  Has it been your MO's experience with her patients? I think it's good to switch, especially if one is stage 3 - I'm not totally sure about this though and will ask my MO.  It seems to be standard in the USA for us to stay on an AI or Tamoxifen for 5 years and then switch to a different one for another five years.

    Pp729-thanks for sharing.  I hope your mom continues to do well.  Did she have bc in her nodes?

    Dancermom-I, too was on Tamoxifen right after rads and then had my ovaries out and switched to Femara.  I was told by my MO that I would be on Tamoxifen for 5 yrs and then an AI for another 5 years.


    I opted to have my ovaries out so I could switch to an AI sooner than later.  My MO said I could get Lupron shots if my ovaries woke

    up, but I didn't want to do this.  I also wonder about the effectiveness of these drugs after 5 years - and after two years - should they be encouraging us to switch sooner?

    So women who are premen get the Lupron  shots and take Femera. 

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited January 2014

    I started on Arimidex, switched to Aromasin after about 9 mths because it's easier SE's. 

  • pp729
    pp729 Member Posts: 135
    edited January 2014

    Hi peacestrength,

    My mom did not have any node involvement, but she did have focal dermal lymphatic involvement -- that's why she was classified as stage IIIc instead of b.  She also had a high oncotype and high Ki67 score, so that is why they recommended both chemo and radiation.  The decision to go off the AIs completely was due to SEs of all of them -- most severely hand pain and some other gastro issues.

  • Kiss77
    Kiss77 Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2014

    peacestrength, I'll ask her about this.

  • M59
    M59 Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2014

    I am stageiii,grade3,ER+PR+9/11nodes positive. I was diagnosed 18 months ago; I had surgeryx3 Lumpectomy, SNB, Full Ancillary dissection. However I cannot tolerate any meds to prevent recurrence. I am 55 so started on Femara could not tolerate, Arimidex the same 2 other AI's then as a last resort Tamoxifen. All of these drugs made me violently ill, during chemo Imwas put on a. Permanent dose of steroids to handle it as I was neutropenic twice and as yo all now FEC-T is brutal but I wanted to see it through, kill the beast and I had 20 rounds of radiation including supraclavicle. Prior to my diagnosis I had beenprofoundly sick with ME/fibromyalga and struggled tolerating meds. I am scared my Oncologist said if I couldn't tolrate Tamoxifen she would have to re-stage m

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Member Posts: 2,478
    edited December 2014

    M59,

    Just wanted you to know, this particular thread is almost one year old, since anyone has posted. If you do not get many posts, start a new one, or look around to an active AI thread.

    I have been taking Arimidex since March, about 10 months. It makes me feel old, or maybe I am old....lol... I am 59 & very active.

    Sorry you have had such a nightmare finding one that works. I take the name brand, Arimidex, I get it in the mail for $30 a month. I have read that some ladies do not tolerate the generic, but do better on the real deal. Some of the generics have different fillers in them.

    I have never heard of being restaged because of not taking AIs. Ladies that refuse chemo keep there original dx. But Drs. are different.

  • peacestrength
    peacestrength Member Posts: 690
    edited April 2015

    I also take name brand Femara and has been recommended for 10 years.

    I haven't heard of one being re-staged due to not taking/tolerating tamoxifen or an AI.

    Can you do faslodex injections?

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited December 2014

    I've been taking Femera for almost 5 years and almost done my last perscription. My onc told me that once this script is done that's it. Nothing else.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited December 2014

    Kim40, as unpleasant as it is, the latest research is going toward recommending an AI for 10 years.  My femara gives me pain and stiffness in my hands and knees, but I can tolerate it if the drug will help prevent recurrence.  Is your onc firm on the "5 years and that's it," or are you having issues with side effects?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    I'm in a bit of a different situation as I'm only 29 and triple positive. I was given the option of Tamox only or OS+AI. I pushed for OS+AI and started my Zoladex last month. My onc is not giving me a prescription for an AI until I'm on Zoladex for a few months, as it may take awhile to work due to my age. Sure enough, I had a period after my first injection. I guess I'll take Aromasin as that was what was used in the SOFT trial.

    I intend to go off all hormonals in a few years to try and get pregnant. Afterwards, I'll see how well I tolerated estrogen deprivation (bones and heart) and decide whether to continue as is or switch to Tamoxifen. So I'm doing things a bit backwards but the highest recurrence risk period for aggressive triple positive cancer like mine is the first three years, so my plan is to be as aggressive now and scale back later if needed.

    My onc also said the jury's still out on whether 10 years on AIs are better than 5. Personally, I intend to stay on hormonals 10 years, minus any pregnancies. My mom's on Femara and has been told she'll only do five years. But she was Stage Ia. I think 10 years on AIs for high-risk patients is going to end up being the SOC.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    I was 47 at diagnosis and was premeno.  After chemo I was thrown into menopause.  I did tamoxifen for ten months, until we were sure the menopause was permanent, then I switched to Arimidex for a year or so.  Then I switched to Femara and have been taking anti-hormonals for almost ten years. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    Jillian - what does your onc say to do for hormonals after 10 years? The stories are all different with everyone as far as taking Tamox, AI's, etc. I too got thrown into menopause after chemo but my onc said Tamoxifen for 5 years, then probably switch to Femara or another. I just pray I can stand any SE's of anything new, but I'm getting tired of losing my hair on the tamoxifen !!! Wonder if that will happen with AI's. Stay strong.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014


    Shelly, I am meeting with my onc next month.  Our plan is to continue with the AI's for as long as my bone density holds up.  So far, so good.  I am too afraid to not do anything.

    As far as hair loss, I haven't had any.  I don't remember if I did or not on the Tamoxifen, but the AI's don't seem to be a problem.

  • fizzdon52
    fizzdon52 Member Posts: 568
    edited December 2014

    My hair is falling out, I've been on Femara/Letrozole for about 6 months now and I'm like a cat who is shedding/moulting :(

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited December 2014

    sbelizabeth. I have no se's whatsoever. He is firm with just 5 years. Im starting to get nervous about losing my security blanket.

  • ann273
    ann273 Member Posts: 209
    edited December 2014

    I'm just taking Tamoxifen. Waiting to see the results of the SOFT trial to see If I want to get on AIs + Zoladex.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2014

    Kim: Did you get Herceptin as part of your treatment at first? I see you are Her2 positive.

    Fizzdon52: I can relate - but just never had this much hair fall-out ever in 5 years. Now just wonder is it something else?? Is it because I quit taking folic acid?

  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited December 2014

    I've been on Arimidex/anastrazole for over six years now. SEs come and go...they're raising their ugly heads right now with a lot of pain in several joints. Had some on both the brand name and generic formulas, but lately, the generic seems to be the strongest.

    I've been told that Tamoxifen doesn't reduce the estrogen in the body, only prevents the ER+ cancer cells from feeding on it, but the SEs sound the same as the estrogen reducing AIs...lots of joint pain similar to arthritis. It seems we just can't get around that one.
    Scared

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